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I think Fisher explained it on one of the forums. Ltd was created to handle some of the player tradings - those who would be owned by third party (now illegal). Robbie Keane was one of those players.

Isn't that the general idea behind the more radical meassures? Why should sisu have the pleassure of killing the club when we can do it ourself (and blame them)?

Wow - the conspiracy theories are moving up a couple of levels!

Are the accounts really that interesting? I mean, they have been scrutinized over and over and we all know the key figures. I would think we really need to see the underlying books as the accounts only show sums and and not origins and items. TF has been critizised for signing off accounts he...

I agree, but still the team of the 90th would win.

Well, I don't think I am in any danger of being sued, but that is anyway beside the point. What if the documentation sisu have handed over to the court is not flawless? What would it do to your opinion of this whole mess? If it turns out sisu acted in good faith, jointly with the ccc...

And if it's not flawed?

I don't know - but maybe that argument could go both ways. Will the ccc actions and motives be judged by the court before the club agree ground share for the coming three seasons when it's too late to negotiate terms of using the Ricoh?

That was not in Dal's post, why should it be in mine? Anyway - it's what sisu are saying in the case they present to the courts.

They weren't trying to shaft ACL - they were trying to shaft Yorkshire Bank. And 'they' were sisu and ccc in joint harmony.

I am sure if you have been reading a few posts on this forum over the past few days you will agree the debt level is something that will be discussed at the forums. Why not wait and actually listen to the answers and explanations before concluding if the club is actually in £70m debts and if...

I think the process of distressing ccfc started 20 years ago. The club was already hugely distressed when the plan to distress ACL was hatched. It only took the threat of sisu not continue to fund the losses.

What have they offered Higgs for their shares?

Losses and debts are different things. If we owned ACL we (most likely) wouldn't run at a loss. We don't know the full 'value' of the debts. It may say £70m in the accounts, but that is hardly the exact value across the companies in the group. Sisu have bloated the debts as a protection...

What is the truth? We are picking out individual issues and forming opinions without knowing the full context. We really need sisu, ccc and acl to tell us all the 'behind scene stuff' and put it into context. A storyline if you like. For instance - sisu claim their strategy was to acquire the...

Problem is 'our' stadium is killing the club. And is isn't actually 'ours'.

OSB, maybe you can include a few more questions: - What are the exact terms of the loans from the funds and ARVO? Interest, installments, due date, swap to equity. - Are there any plan for issuing shares to the fans, or if not - would the owners be prepared to transfer voting rights of say 20%...

Yes - that would be a good strategy. Sisu should give Appelton a mandate to work within. A three year deal. But I guess ACL won't have it.

I really think that TF has taken notice. But as long as ACL won't talk to him or sisu - what else can he do?

It's a question you should ask at the forum. When we looked into the accounts a few years ago the funding from sisu carried no interest and no periodic installments. I assume that hasn't changed, but it is a valid question. Studies of the most recent accounts show interest paid had gone up...