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The JR have nothing to do with ACL, so that shouldn't stop anything. I think if ACL haven't yet offered anything to Otium or even invited them to a meeting, then they must be happy with the current situation. JS and TF says they are angry ACL cost the team a 10 point meaningless penalty. So I...

But sisu charge their investors - the funds - NOT the companies they manage. That's how they are paid. They are NOT paid by the club or any company within the SBS&L group. They are paid by the investors.

But its 'paper money' - and it happens every day in every corporation. All around the world. It's not a sisu invention, it's a basic financial tool to balance costs and assets across companies within a group.

There was in fact filed a case against them, so Northampton surely had to take legal advice. I wouldn't be so sure they won't have a very good case arguing for compensation. They can do it directly with ACL or they can do it in court ... making the compensation claim even bigger.

There's probably more to it, but overall I think you are correct. It cost sisu dearly to play at sixfields and not the Ricoh. Do you think ACL have actually offered a new deal to sisu? And as said in another post FL may even agree to a 3 year deal. Have ACL offered that?

Can you actually prove that any money has gone from the club into sisu's pockets? The management fee's were used to distribute cost between the companies in the group. Not to fill sisu's pockets. JS and TF have said it - not one penny has gone back to sisu. Unless you can prove them wrong, you...

I agree with most. One question though, how do you best support the team?

Yes it makes sense, FL could easily sanction a three year lease. So have ACL offered that to Otium?

And one key element is a 3/5 year rent is not an option at the Ricoh. It's at least 10 years - and even that hasn't been offered to Otium. Assuming ACL would offer a 10 year lease at £150K per year you must then calculate the lost revenue in those 5-7 years not needed. ACL are not stupid so...

It's been quoted many times, so probably true. But that just highlight my point - if a new stadium is to be build, then that is the long term plan and staying 5-7 years longer at the Ricoh is a no-go.

By short term you mean 10 years? They only want 3 years with an option for another two ... like the one they have at sixfields. I think ACL are betting on sisu bluffing about building a new stadium. Smart if they are right - catastrophic if they are wrong.

How much sense would that make? What would be the purpose? They would end up with absolutely no buyers of the club. And if the club was liquidated they would have only have created a Ricoh situation equal to now - a declinig business with decling value. They would lose money in that scenario...

A price is only relevant if the owner wants to sell. Apparently CCc don't want to sell. Not to sisu anyway. On a side note - if CCc did actually put the freehold up for sale, isn't there some EU regulation requiring kind of a public auction? In that case the market would decide the price.

Surely you mean Hooters?

What is the asking price?

They are only doing it to have an excuse to remove the Hill ... I am sure of it. Damn that pesky Nothamton Council. It's a conspiracy. Can we send someone a mail?

Didn't Seppala say she wanted set a price on the freehold based on the average of the valuation from both CCC's and sisu's chosen experts?

Yeah, but without his Prozone.

Ok, no problem. You just gave me a heart attack by agreeing with something I wrote, but luckily(?) we have a defibillator in the office. Anyway, apology accepted.