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Soon, honestly! This time next year ... or the year after.

I get it that it's what you fear, but please explain me what the business reason would be in having the two in seperate groups. We all know that sisu as investors will have an exit point in their business plans - how can they sell a stadium without a football club or a football club without a...

1) We don't know how Otium is capitalized now, we'll know when accounts are filed. 2) Building a new stadium will require new investments and a mortgage. We don't know where the new investments will come from - either existing investors or new. 3) Shadow directors are allowed. They are just as...

A new stadium (or ACL) will be owned by the SBS&L group - anything else would be creating the nightmare they have just escaped. As the group own it - it actually makes no different if one company pay rent to another, the group result will be the same. So the the point is, if the group as a...

Maybe so - they may utilize their 'discretion' option. According to KingHarvest sisu don't rule out a return, but would they go back on short rental agreement when this would ease the pressure on CCc and ACL? I don't think so ... at least I wouldn't. If they go back it will be as owners of...

Didn't OSB say that FL required any lease to be at least 10 year. (Except emergency cases, which going back to ricoh wouldn't be)?

I don't think that losses are that great - certainly not in the £6m pa bracket when they took over and during Ranson/Elliott/Hoffmans regime. And that shorfall would be part of the total investment scheme presented to new or current investors. Going back to the ricoh as a tenant and be...

Funding shortfalls is a cash flow issue, not actually an asset issue (I do know cash is an asset). When getting new investors or more money from existing investors, they will have to present a business plan and show expected return of the investments. In sisu's case that will require something...

Think of sisu as a fund management company. It's not their own money they invest, so as long as they can find investors money to spend all is good. Sisu make their money on the basis of the asset portefolio they manage. The bigger that asset pool is the more they get paid. So building a new...

I don't believe you are a conspiracy theorist ... On a serious note - Les Reid has interviewed PKWH a few times ... do you think he is on ACL payroll too?

It got to around post 19 before the subject changed ... not bad on this forum.

I admire your tenacity. I have tried to explain all that for months, but I think the whole deal is too complex to grasp if you come from a pov that sisu is all bad and not to be trusted. Yes, sisu and CCc did a HOT that included sisu buying the CCc shares in ACL, buying the mortgage at...

Look up the Aims & Objectives on the Trust' homepage. They are NOT a sisu-out campaign.

They should act according to the 'Aims & Objectives'. If members want the 'A&O' changed they should call for a vote. The problem as I see it is that the Trust for a long period didn't act according to the 'A&O', but moved in different directions. Going back to diplomacy is going back to the 'A&O'.

So they should have kept the club split over two different companies? I thought many were arguing the group structure was confusing and difficult to understand. SBS&L, Otium, ccfc Holdings limited, ccfc limited ... Now it's a bit more straight froward. SBS&L and Otium. Maybe some of the debts...

... and SBS&L?

How cunning! :D Force ACL and sisu to make a deal so we can go back and have 15.000 shout 'sisu-out' - waving banners and sing anti Tim Fisher songs at each home game. Just like the old days ... you know, the season we got relegated.

There are people who move on and don't get stuck in what was 'then'. Les Reid may be out of touch with you and a lot more, but eventually many - if not most - will come to the conclusion that sisu are not going away, and the only way to get what we want - ccfc back at the Ricoh - is for CCc and...

Maybe the financial crisis have had some influence?

Ok - the typed words makes it difficult to tell. There should be 'tounge-in-cheek' emoticon. :p