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    Brexit/SISU

    No. the damage was done before she came. Nationaltisation ruined our car industry- take Jag as an example. Quality fell. The staff were stealing to order. A total mess. Maggie cut the subsidies. Forced Jag to reform. Which they did. Rootes group moved production of the Imp to Linwood to get tax...
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    Brexit/SISU

    I saw one union leader on TV blaming management in the Coventry car industry for giving into too easily to union demands. Blame anyone but yourselves...
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    Brexit/SISU

    Our car industry was a lame duck. Triumph Motorcycles Meriden became a workers cooperative with the toolmakers getting the same money as the floor sweepers - 50 quid a week. Tony Benn gave the workers' board millions- last seen heading for the Caribbean. At the end all that was left was the...
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    The EU: In, out, shake it all about....

    Johnson and Farage belong to the political class. The Tory party is the political class. I just don't get it. The judges stopped the political class ruling per prerogative and it's meltdown in the leavers camp. Rejoice the British system is working..
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    Brexit/SISU

    Only 1 million- 52%:48% on the day. Not enough to give a mandate to change our future.. We are a parliamentary democracy and not a monarchy or a direct democracy. Parliament is sovereign. I don't see a problem with a court confirming what we all knew.
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    The EU: In, out, shake it all about....

    The British elite in the form of privileged public schoolboys e.g. Johnson and Farage, billionaire newspaper owner and the Tory party all seem annoyed that judges, including the Master of the Rolls confirmed that parliament is sovereign and cannot be bypassed by a Middle Ages royal prerogative...
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    The EU: In, out, shake it all about....

    Yes, right they weren't deceived and they're not racist.. funnily enough a large amount of the ' people ' don't buy that and don't want important decisions to be made by Royal Perogative.
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    The EU: In, out, shake it all about....

    Erdogan and Putin know how to deal with judges, maybe The Express should be quoting them.
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    The EU: In, out, shake it all about....

    Melt down...... a court decision which upholds the right of a democratic parliament against a royal perogative..., Pictures and quotes from lying scum alongside references to Churchill and world war 2. Who needs courts and judges? Judges messing around in May's plans to act like a medieval...
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    The EU: In, out, shake it all about....

    No it's not the people's fault. They were asked a simple question which only gave two extreme options - in or out. The real debate should have been in parliament as it has been for centuries. The referendum was not granted to give the people more say, as Cameron thought they would rubber stamp...
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    The EU: In, out, shake it all about....

    We cannot know which of them won the fuck up competition as the game is still going on.
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    The EU: In, out, shake it all about....

    I am saying what they are saying, that 650 in parliament represent the whole country, and they decide if and how we go about Brexit. The advisory referendum has shown that on 23 June a small majority of those who voted wanted Brexit. They didn't specify exactly how that would work. The judges...
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    The EU: In, out, shake it all about....

    All judges are unelected. So what do you want, politicians to judge whether what they are doing is correct? I think the answer may be yes in all cases if politicians checked themselves - who needs pesky courts checking with boring law books and evolved constitutional decisions. The judges have...
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    The EU: In, out, shake it all about....

    That is really irrelevant. It is how much each person pays that is relevant. You could say Norway gets a cheaper deal, but the deal will have a relationship to the size of the population.
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    The EU: In, out, shake it all about....

    The question was yes or no. Not hard, soft, hard border in Ireland, individual countries to make their own choice, City of London to retain passport or not...etc etc. Brexit, yes, but not how or in what form. A terrible situation to be in. The referendum was advisory. There is no mandate to...
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    The EU: In, out, shake it all about....

    I think we are connected culturally and historically. Apart from anything else we were part of the Roman Empire for nearly 400 years, we have been invaded and settled by Danes, Jutes, Angles, Saxons and not to forget the Normans. We fought for and against virtually every European power somewhere...
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    The EU: In, out, shake it all about....

    Exactly. Life would have gone on. There was no real reason to ask the question yes or no. If there was to have been an advisory referendum, it should have several questions to see how much of the EU we want to accept. Yes or no has left us in a predicament. Brexit means different things to...
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    The EU: In, out, shake it all about....

    So you agree with the high court' decision then?
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    The EU: In, out, shake it all about....

    Force it through...... like a government headed by Stalin you mean? Sounds really autocratic and dictatorial. I think we should stick to the democracy we know. Let the sovereign parliament decide. Leavers are so sure that everyone thinks as they do, that I cannot see their fear of parliament...
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    The EU: In, out, shake it all about....

    It was clear that Britain is a parliamentary democracy. If the government- Tory government- promised you that they would implement it, then what is your problem? They have the parliamentary majority- they just vote for article 50 and that is it. If they don't, take it up with them. The high...
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