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Also people need to be careful what they wish for....if there is an extension and then an election the Tories are unlikely to win (Brexit party takes too much of their vote). This could lead to a worse case scenario of a Tories/Brexit party pact....which could lead to an eventual no deal !

From memory (it seems like an age in brexit world) I’m sure the always impartial Bercow said the WA couldn’t be brought back without substantial changes ?! Then there was that weird ‘error’ the Kinnock amendment (I think) that was highlighted by someone on here the other day. Not sure if that...

That’s the weird and wonderful world of Brexit for you ! You’ve got plenty of MPs influencing our negotiation stance that are desperate to remain....not the ideal combination !

I heard that, totally unacceptable I might be naive but I am pretty sure Johnson wants a deal. They should have provided detailed outline alternative arrangements for everyone to see. I think they do exist in relation to trade (people is trickier)

Not ignoring you Sick boy... I’m not condoning some of the language used (or some of the idiot comments by our negotiating team) but the sentiment, in basic terms is correct ie no deal/no trade deal wouldn’t only be damaging to us but also major industries on the continent so why wouldn’t they...

You know what I mean though Ian.

Thanks Tony....it’s no doubt a thrilling read !!! I had a quick skim through (I was going to make a joke about David Davies but won’t) and from what I can see I stand by my original points The EU members refused to discuss anything until we triggered article 50. Yet it states in the attached...

To be fair he voted the third time, which if he was an ideological ‘no deal’ brexiteer he wouldn’t have. He’s brought matters to a (messy) head but he’s not to blame for Brexit not being delivered

Labour are in this as much as the Tories BSB, don’t let your political persuasion blind you to that. Their refusal to agree to the WA was political. It gave them everything they wanted yet they rejected it saying it was a ‘blind Brexit’, however, during the transition period they...

I agree that there have been plenty of comments that haven’t helped, however, much has been made of the trade deal comment and the fact is, it should be straight forward We already have the same quality and standards as the EU and we import significantly more than we export so why should it be...

I’m aware that the triggering of article 50 and timetable is in the constitution. I’m not aware that the sequencing of events detailed above is in there ? Happy to be proved wrong

That’s rubbish Tony. He’s not done things the way I would have but we were given two previous extensions and fuck all has happened until Johnson came in. The facts as I see it are: MPs voted for article 50 meaning we left with or without a deal in two years. Limited ‘no deal’ planning...

Hardly Ian. The EU dictated the sequencing and timing of everything. They wouldn’t even discuss us leaving until we triggered article 50 (which started the clock ticking) They then put in place the fact that NI border backstop and divorce bill would need to be agreed before discussing a trade...

It’s disappointing the amount of apparent pleasure people appear to be getting from what is the biggest political mess of our lifetimes. Most normal people I know (from both sides of the argument) just want this done and out the way, not just kicked into the long grass (again) which is what has...

So those that support corbyn and his stance to get an election from the mess we are in (whipping to vote against the WA that would’ve avoided all these No Deal arguments) what are your thoughts now ?!! If he chooses to avoid a GE.....as I’ve said all along, politicising a matter as important...

The pounds hardly changed recently (pretty much what it was a week ago). I agree that the EU won’t agree to significant changes but I’d happily have a tenner on them moving on the backstop mechanism if Boris gets through the next few days. That will be sufficient, in conjunction with the only...

thanks DJR...my deleted post copied and pasted from your reply ! Still don’t quite get it. Parliament has had three years to impress its will on the government, agree to the WA or between themselves agree alternative proposals. Do you know ‘the plan’ of the alliance (before...

Just bloody deleted my post accidentally !!! (Was trying to edit)

Dictator is a little OTT ! Ps also what are these ‘stop the coup’ marches ?! As he’s already PM how is he seizing power from the government ?! Unless it’s relating to the other meaning of ‘coup’ - an instance of successfully achieving something difficult ??

Exactly. But this is what I was saying yesterday Sick Boy (and for those that genuinely want to avoid No Deal it’s possibly good news). What Johnson has done (if he survives the coming days) is put pressure on people to accept a repackaged WA as they might be left with a clear choice No deal or...