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skybluepm2

skybluepm2

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letsallsingtogether said:
Well if you had listened properly instead of picking out the parts you want you would know why.
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I was driving home and posting whilst at a standstill and when I could concentrate. It wasn't the parts that I wanted at all, they were statements or key points which stood out to me at the time and was attempting to be helpful to those who weren't able to listen. Perhaps I should record the entire 90 minute show next time and then type an account word for word.

When I said 'I'm not sure why' it's because I genuinely missed it.
 
letsallsingtogether

letsallsingtogether

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Nick said:
Nobody has a clean slate do they?

I couldn't give a shit if the CT, CCC and Wasps all got together and tag teamed SISU with no lube as long as it didn't have an impact on CCFC. I have been one of the people saying to go at SISU directly rather than going at CCFC to get to SISU haven't I?

I have posted questions, I haven't said anything as fact or a statement. Have people really been too wrapped up with jumping on it to wonder what's behind it and why now?
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Why we have been asking that for 9 years but people have been wrapped up with jumping on the sisu wagon to see what impact that has made and still making on CCFC. we are still waiting any answers?
 
letsallsingtogether

letsallsingtogether

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skybluepm2 said:
I was driving home and posting whilst at a standstill and when I could concentrate. It wasn't the parts that I wanted at all, they were statements or key points which stood out to me at the time and was attempting to be helpful to those who weren't able to listen. Perhaps I should record the entire 90 minute show next time and then type an account word for word.

When I said 'I'm not sure why' it's because I genuinely missed it.
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Because it was brought up that City used to do more in the community, going out to factories meeting the fans and need to start reengaging with the fans.
But hey it is easier making fun of other fans without knowing the full story.
 
ccfcway

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Nick said:
Nobody has a clean slate do they?

I couldn't give a shit if the CT, CCC and Wasps all got together and tag teamed SISU with no lube as long as it didn't have an impact on CCFC. I have been one of the people saying to go at SISU directly rather than going at CCFC to get to SISU haven't I?

I have posted questions, I haven't said anything as fact or a statement. Have people really been too wrapped up with jumping on it to wonder what's behind it and why now?
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isn't that what CT did and the have been denied access to CCFC player and manager ?
 
Nick

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letsallsingtogether said:
Because it was brought up that City used to do more in the community, going out to factories meeting the fans and need to start reengaging with the fans.
But hey it is easier making fun of other fans without knowing the full story.
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How many people have looked at this thread? http://skybluestalk.co.uk/threads/s...ds-moving-in-coventry-and-warwickshire.68807/

It is the same when the Christmas parties are on, people kicking off saying nothing is done and when there is a thread about the Christmas party for example they are nowhere to be seen.

A good example is the Jimmy Hill Legacy Fund (that's not aimed at you either ;) ). 31 people have donated FFS.

Don't get me wrong, I have said for years their PR is dog shit also but at least acknowledge some of the stuff actually done.
 
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skybluepm2

skybluepm2

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letsallsingtogether said:
Because it was brought up that City used to do more in the community, going out to factories meeting the fans and need to start reengaging with the fans.
But hey it is easier making fun of other fans without knowing the full story.
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Who made fun of other fans? Certainly not me. You've given me the explanation I was after and mentioned in my last post. Why are you such a grumpy arse tonight?
 
Nick

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letsallsingtogether said:
Why should it ?
It is aimed at Sisu Not CCFC thought they were separate entities.
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So you don't think it will have any impact on CCFC at all? All of the boycotts and stuff won't do anything to CCFC?

It isn't aimed at realising how much people love CCFC, it is aimed at how angry people are at SISU.

As I said, by all means go all out at SISU, go into the world of finance and absolutely shatter them and I doubt anybody will give a toss. It is when it is using CCFC to get at them.
 
singers_pore

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dongonzalos said:
I don't think SISU will sell up if everybody does nothing. Except sitting back and criticising when anybody else does anything.
Yes I think petitions, protests, NOPM, MP's publicity. No matter how great or small will all have a impact in SISU's decision making.
The primary factor will always be money. However all of the above affect money as well and when you come down to the timing of the enivitable the above factors will have an influence.
So can you tell me why it is more important to know why the telegraph believe it is time for the owners to move on. Than it is to be glad they are trying to do stuff to encourage the owners to move on?
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Edit: this was supposed to be a reply to Nick not Don

So again I ask you: where are your facts or at a minimum what is your hypothesis about why the CT is now campaigning against SISU. All we get from you are snide innuendos masquerading as questions. If you can't even provide a reasoned argument one has to wonder what'is the motivation for your loaded questions?

You can't just ask questions without some semblance of a rationale for why you think those questions are reasonable. Otherwise you end until sounding like a crazy conspiracy theorist.
 
letsallsingtogether

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Nick

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singers_pore said:
So again I ask you: where are your facts or at a minimum what is your hypothesis about why the CT is now campaigning against SISU. All we get from you are snide innuendos masquerading as questions. If you can't even provide a reasoned argument one has to wonder what'is the motivation for your loaded questions?

You can't just ask questions without some semblance of a rationale for why you think those questions are reasonable. Otherwise you end until sounding like a crazy conspiracy theorist.
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I guess that was aimed at me?

How are the questions loaded? By asking why are they suddenly doing it now and why? If that is loaded then I am obviously onto something if that is offending people so much.

How is it a crazy conspiracy theorist? A newspaper who has Wasps has a big advertiser, they aren't going to ever piss them off are they? The same ones who get briefed by the Council for example?

It is all well and good shouting conspiracy and the tin hat crap, but if you are getting all uptight about a couple of simple questions that you would think most people would have asked themselves then that's a bit strange.

A crazy conspiracy theorist for asking "why now" and "why not before" type questions, anybody would think I am saying things like they don't report certain things on orders of the council or something.

What were people like Nikki Sinclair's reasoning for getting in on things as well, I guess that was because of their love for CCFC? Maybe it was a conspiracy to question it when she was on the stage at the march but was it when she seemed to have different views?
 
letsallsingtogether

letsallsingtogether

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Nick said:
So you don't think it will have any impact on CCFC at all? All of the boycotts and stuff won't do anything to CCFC?

It isn't aimed at realising how much people love CCFC, it is aimed at how angry people are at SISU.

As I said, by all means go all out at SISU, go into the world of finance and absolutely shatter them and I doubt anybody will give a toss. It is when it is using CCFC to get at them.
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Who is using CCFC against the fans Nick?
Who blamed the fans only last week for our woes?
Who is doing the biggest damage to CCFC?
So 50 fans boycotting a game are the ones that are going to bring the club down shame on them.
 
singers_pore

singers_pore

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Nick said:
I guess that was aimed at me?

How are the questions loaded? By asking why are they suddenly doing it now and why? If that is loaded then I am obviously onto something if that is offending people so much.

How is it a crazy conspiracy theorist? A newspaper who has Wasps has a big advertiser, they aren't going to ever piss them off are they? The same ones who get briefed by the Council for example?

It is all well and good shouting conspiracy and the tin hat crap, but if you are getting all uptight about a couple of simple questions that you would think most people would have asked themselves then that's a bit strange.
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Not getting uptight at all. It just seems strange to ask that kind of question unless you have some hypothesis about what the answer might be.

My best guess is the CT simply lost patience with SISU and started a campaign.

So for the third and final time: what is your hypothesis about the reason for the CT campaign? Clearly you think the CT has some ulterior motive else why ask the question?
 
Nick

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letsallsingtogether said:
Who is using CCFC against the fans Nick?
Who blamed the fans only last week for our woes?
Who is doing the biggest damage to CCFC?
So 50 fans boycotting a game are the ones that are going to bring the club down shame on them.
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Did he actually blame them or was it a rumour?

I didn't say using it against the fans, I mean using CCFC to get at SISU. I haven't said they will bring the club down.

Christ, you only had to see Simon when he revealed his book launch the way he led city fans on to get more attention about it. People like you, BHSB, Steve, Moz etc I will probably disagree with about things all day every day but I'd never doubt that you are doing it for the best interests of CCFC whether I agreed with them or not.

Can people honestly say that about people like Keith Perry at the Telegraph?
 
Nick

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singers_pore said:
Not getting uptight at all. It just seems strange to ask that kind of question unless you have some hypothesis about what the answer might be.

My best guess is the CT simply lost patience with SISU and started a campaign.

So for the third and final time: what is your hypothesis about the reason for the CT campaign? Clearly you think the CT has some ulterior motive else why ask the question?
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There could be quite a few really, it could range from doing it to get attention (let's face it, there haven't been a massive range of stories on the telegraph other than SISU type ones in the last couple of weeks. It has got to the point where they have writers just copying and pasting shit off social media), it could be they are joining in on the pressure that Wasps / CCC are doing on SISU / CCFC. Do they know something about potential new owners? Is that why they can risk losing access to CCFC because they think if somebody else comes in they will get it back? (Let's face it, they knew they would lose access and had been asked by CCFC about their reporting a few times previously hadn't they?).

It's clear the telegraph want to play up to people they can wind up and make angry, Simon stopped posting on here when he started getting questioned on things. They will all give it the "ah conspiracy stuff" but don't actually come back with decent answers to disprove things, look at his discussion with Rob S the other day.

Has nobody else seriously asked what their motive might be for it and why now? I could even understand a SISU out campaign when Northampton happened for example.
 
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dongonzalos

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Nick said:
Can you list all of the positive things achieved so far?
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No I won't be able to the day SISU go either.
I will assume action such as this has contributed to them leaving when they do. You will say it's had no impact.
I will think because neither of us will know the truth that I would rather someone tries than doesn't.
You will criticise them for trying.
You were always quite negative towards the trust whenever their campaigns encourage the owners to move on as well.
Shame IMO. As I say as long as it is not inappropriate action I think we should support it, rather than the easy option of having a pop from our computers
 
Nick

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dongonzalos said:
No I won't be able to the day SISU go either.
I will assume action such as this has contributed to them leaving when they do. You will say it's had no impact.
I will think because neither of us will know the truth that I would rather someone tries than doesn't.
You will criticise them for trying.
You were always quite negative towards the trust whenever their campaigns encourage the owners to move on as well.
Shame IMO. As I say as long as it is not inappropriate action I think we should support it, rather than the easy option of having a pop from our computers
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The thing is, it is always "SISU OUT" rather than "Get this fantastic new owner in" isn't it? If the telegraph / trust etc know of somebody in the pipeline or have a plan for when they do go then why not spit it out? I am pretty sure more people will be behind it then.

Also, it would give them more of a way out as well wouldn't it?
 
Irish Sky Blue

Irish Sky Blue

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Nick said:
The thing is, it is always "SISU OUT" rather than "Get this fantastic new owner in" isn't it? If the telegraph / trust etc know of somebody in the pipeline or have a plan for when they do go then why not spit it out? I am pretty sure more people will be behind it then.

Also, it would give them more of a way out as well wouldn't it?
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Until Sisu say they are ready to go, it will be unlikely that anyone will declare an interest in the club for the obvious reason that Sisu would then try and hike the price. We have nothing left to exploit so any one coming in would surely be doing so for the love of the club or the chance to be involved in football. On that basis anyone would be better than Sisu who are taking us to oblivion anyway.
 
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dongonzalos

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Nick said:
Nobody has a clean slate do they?

I couldn't give a shit if the CT, CCC and Wasps all got together and tag teamed SISU with no lube as long as it didn't have an impact on CCFC. I have been one of the people saying to go at SISU directly rather than going at CCFC to get to SISU haven't I?

I have posted questions, I haven't said anything as fact or a statement. Have people really been too wrapped up with jumping on it to wonder what's behind it and why now?
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The problem is I along with thousands of others happen to think it would be better for the future of the club if these owners moved on.
So again can you tell me why it is more important to know what motivated the CET in joining my stance.
Why is there a need to be critical of anything they do in this direction, purely because I don't know why they have kicked into gear.

Should it not be more important to me that they are finally helping?

I happen to think they got to the point where they thought commercially it was worth the risk of facing the wrath of the owners over speaking out.
Up to now the man at the top valued the access to stories from the club over campaigning against the poor stewardship.
Then when a culmination of the academy, Wasps talks breaking down, CA leaving, rooted bottom of division 3. TM in the verge of leaving. Training ground under threat.
No positive action on a new stadium. They finally thought telling the truth was worth the commercial risk of losing access.
 
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dongonzalos

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Nick said:
The thing is, it is always "SISU OUT" rather than "Get this fantastic new owner in" isn't it? If the telegraph / trust etc know of somebody in the pipeline or have a plan for when they do go then why not spit it out? I am pretty sure more people will be behind it then.

Also, it would give them more of a way out as well wouldn't it?
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Why do they have to know if someone?
What if they don't cant they still want our owners to move on based purely on the continuous downward spiral we experience under their tenure?
 
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dongonzalos said:
Why do they have to know if someone?
What if they don't cant they still want our owners to move on based purely on the continuous downward spiral we experience under their tenure?
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So people should be shouting GO without a plan for when they do? People should be expected to boycott watching the team they have supported for years without an actual reason in how it will help or what will happen afterwards?
 
Irish Sky Blue

Irish Sky Blue

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Nick said:
So people should be shouting GO without a plan for when they do? People should be expected to boycott watching the team they have supported for years without an actual reason in how it will help or what will happen afterwards?
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What ever happens it can't be any worse can it. With Sisu we are heading down the pan anyway.
 
Nick

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dongonzalos said:
No positive action on a new stadium. They finally thought telling the truth was worth the commercial risk of losing access.
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Surely they can tell the truth without losing access? I have said for ages why not just report the facts and let them be hard hitting and do the damage?

They can quite easily report all of the facts without losing access.

Wasps talks breaking down, you mean one of their main advertisers? No conspiracy there, that's just pointing out a fact. They aren't going to question somebody spending loads of money on advertising are they?

What happens when the petition stories dry up and they run out of ex players to comment after they have been filled in? Is it just going to be about random crimes in different cities or rollercoasters crashing in stoke on trent? How long can they keep generating 5 articles out of an opposition player saying something about CCFC before it wears thin?

What happens if CCFC start to climb the table? Naturally people will be less inclined to be angry.
 
letsallsingtogether

letsallsingtogether

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Nick said:
The thing is, it is always "SISU OUT" rather than "Get this fantastic new owner in" isn't it? If the telegraph / trust etc know of somebody in the pipeline or have a plan for when they do go then why not spit it out? I am pretty sure more people will be behind it then.

Also, it would give them more of a way out as well wouldn't it?
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Maybe for the same reason Sisu couldn't tell us where the land they where looking at for our new stadium was.
Or where the new training facilities are likely to be and how much they are going to sell heir houses for?
 
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Is it going to be SISU actually building houses and then selling them or just getting the nod for planning and then selling the land for it?
 
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Broken Hearted Sky Blue

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ceetee said:
Well of course it would be of value if there was a responsible club representative there, but how would you force them to attend.
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Nick said:
There could be quite a few really, it could range from doing it to get attention (let's face it, there haven't been a massive range of stories on the telegraph other than SISU type ones in the last couple of weeks. It has got to the point where they have writers just copying and pasting shit off social media), it could be they are joining in on the pressure that Wasps / CCC are doing on SISU / CCFC. Do they know something about potential new owners? Is that why they can risk losing access to CCFC because they think if somebody else comes in they will get it back? (Let's face it, they knew they would lose access and had been asked by CCFC about their reporting a few times previously hadn't they?).

It's clear the telegraph want to play up to people they can wind up and make angry, Simon stopped posting on here when he started getting questioned on things. They will all give it the "ah conspiracy stuff" but don't actually come back with decent answers to disprove things, look at his discussion with Rob S the other day.

Has nobody else seriously asked what their motive might be for it and why now? I could even understand a SISU out campaign when Northampton happened for example.
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talking of Rob S did you wonder why he made an appearance?
 
shmmeee

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Broken Hearted Sky Blue said:
talking of Rob S did you wonder why he made an appearance?
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He's like the Les Reid canary that guy. When he pops up, you know shit is about to head south.

Too many people caught up in the bollocks. Simple question: has the last nine years been good enough, no matter what your theory on what was said behind closed doors. Everything else is just muddying the waters, which has been the game since day one. Eyes on the prize: is the club heading in the right direction?
 
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shmmeee said:
He's like the Les Reid canary that guy. When he pops up, you know shit is about to head south.

Too many people caught up in the bollocks. Simple question: has the last nine years been good enough, no matter what your theory on what was said behind closed doors. Everything else is just muddying the waters, which has been the game since day one. Eyes on the prize: is the club heading in the right direction?
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No and no
 
clint van damme

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Irish Sky Blue said:
I don't understand the negativity towards CWR and the Telegraph in this instance. They are both doing something to try and resolve the mess we are in. They have a programme like this where people, genuine CCFC fans as far as I can make out, are asked their views on the way forward for our club and the type of model of club they would like if we ever get rid of Sisu. Several times Clive summarised what had been said and mentioned that these areas would be the basis of what would be given to Jim Cunningham before a debate about CCFC in parliament next week. For me this seems a valuable thing to do as one of the things that Seppala seems to hate is publicity. I am sure she would rather Sisu's management of our club were not discussed and publicised at all. If this programmes means that MPs have a better understanding of CCFC fans concerns before they start talking, isn't that better? As mentioned several times on the programme anyone can add to this body of opinion passed to MPs through links on Twitter and Facebook. There may have been better ways of getting fans views. However it seems that it is easy for some to snipe at those who are trying to do something to save CCFC while offering very few constructive ideas themselves.
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I'm a massive critic of the CET, but credit where it's due, since the petition and the sisu out campaign we seem to be getting a lot of coverage in the national media which is good to see.
 
zuni

zuni

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the petition makes us feel better, the debate in the commons "might" cause seppalla some annoyance...for me the only way to hurt them is if we could expose the investors is and from what i have been told people have tried and failed....dam it we need one of them hacker people with the funny face masks
 
skybluetony176

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Irish Sky Blue said:
If everyone followed your logic then no one would do anything. On the basis that their campaign probably won't get rid of Sisu, it seems you are saying they shouldn't even try. If it doesn't work it will still have been worth trying. One thing that has happened is that it seems to have galvanised fans groups and got things moving. Still probably won't work but better than sitting complaining but do nothing.
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Being passive is a sure fire way of changing nothing. I'm sure SISU would like nothing more than for all of us to sit quietly in a corner. Well they've done nothing to earn that from me, not sure what they've done to earn that of any CCFC fan. It's better to have tried and failed that not tried at all.
 
Captain Dart

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Nick said:
How many people have looked at this thread? http://skybluestalk.co.uk/threads/s...ds-moving-in-coventry-and-warwickshire.68807/

It is the same when the Christmas parties are on, people kicking off saying nothing is done and when there is a thread about the Christmas party for example they are nowhere to be seen.

A good example is the Jimmy Hill Legacy Fund (that's not aimed at you either ;) ). 31 people have donated FFS.

Don't get me wrong, I have said for years their PR is dog shit also but at least acknowledge some of the stuff actually done.
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If Tim Fisher & Joy Seppala want some good publicity then they could consider donating to this fund. Why don't you write to them.
 
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