Council Protest (12 Viewers)

[Deleted member 5849]

Seems about 30 do, they're making there feelings known outside the council house, fair play to them. At least they're making their voices heard for what they believe.

Well said.

Although my concern for all these protests, pro or anti whoever, is the low numbers give off the impression of apathy, and do more harm than good.

Perhaps we all need to look at whether we sit and snipe... or do. Fortunately there's a non political, non side taking event coming up, that surely we all have to make an effort to go to, if we can?

If nothing else, to show we have fans...

 

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[Grendel]

http://www.coventrytelegraph.net/news/coventry-news/coventry-city-fc-owner-joy-6096912

Do I win a prize, or have all the prizes gone now?

Also nice to see the CET pre-nationalisation.

 

[covmark]

It's pretty obvious Sisu are coining it in Northampton.
Huge attendances, lots of corporate advertising, sponsorship.
Lots of pies sold.
Everything is wonderful there.
Meanwhile in Coventry some pubs adjacent to the Ricoh will have suffered a downturn in trade.
But pubs elsewhere around Coventry will have enjoyed an upturn. (Or supermarket beer shelves, as seems to be the thing these days).
And then a few wannabe clever dicks on here still bat for Sisu.
And if they don't get their way, they get abusive and come out with the verbals.

This is genius, whinging about verbals and calling people dicks in the same post.
Nice to see the same people arguing the same arguments though

 

[chiefdave]

The key word which has become similar to cruciate before ligament is missing

While the word unencumbered may be missing Seppala states they will owner return to the Ricoh as owners and will not move forward with a deal that involves the council. Do you not think that would rule out owning the freehold with ACL still in place seeing as CCC hold a 50% stake?

ML has subsequently stated long lease is the same and would be acceptable

That's interesting and the way I think they should be going. Have you got a link to this, would like to read it in context. Did he state this was now plan A over the new stadium? Surprised I missed it as I've thought this is the best solution for a while, if this is what they are prepared to do they should submit a formal offer to purchase both the Higgs and CCC stakes in ACL. Purchase those and then make a deal to clear the loan in return for a lease extension.

 

[Kingokings204]

Ok WM. I completely disagree with that. You ask for proof etc which is fair but no one on here has access to figures and don't work for ccfc or ccc. Now I like everyone on here but I am not certain and I would bet on 1 person to not be a genuine fan but that's not really my point.

My point is you and Grendel ask for proof which is fair but I and others don't work for ccfc or ccc so sometimes it's hard. We can't quote and find that proof.

Grendel said that 30 or less people would turn up to a sisu headquarters in Coventry. Now I can't prove this but neither can he so it's hard to take a side on this debate except that more than 30 would turn up and if you don't believe that then get tim fisher and joy seppala to stand in broadgate and publish the number. It would be more than 30 I can prove because me and my family would be there and that's over 30 for a start. Easy decision.

Now I now that this is not hard proof to you but If I said I ran the London marathon is 32 minutes would you need to see proof or just think what a donkey he is off his rocker? Now this is my point.

I respect grendels opinion and if he has a season ticket that he claims then great I won't distrust him but not paying ccc tax is probably why he doesn't care about Cov taxpayers losing out like I do. I don't mind ccfc getting a good deal as long as it's fair but I do mind a hedgefund holding the club to ransom 35 miles away for their own gain against my team and arguably me as a taxpayer.

 

[Spionkop]

The phrase is clever dicks. Get it right.

 

[Grendel]

The phrase is clever dicks. Get it right.

Unlike un clever ones?

 

[Astute]

While the word unencumbered may be missing Seppala states they will owner return to the Ricoh as owners and will not move forward with a deal that involves the council. Do you not think that would rule out owning the freehold with ACL still in place seeing as CCC hold a 50% stake?



That's interesting and the way I think they should be going. Have you got a link to this, would like to read it in context. Did he state this was now plan A over the new stadium? Surprised I missed it as I've thought this is the best solution for a while, if this is what they are prepared to do they should submit a formal offer to purchase both the Higgs and CCC stakes in ACL. Purchase those and then make a deal to clear the loan in return for a lease extension.

He made one comment about there could be a chance of returning on a rental agreement. But has done nothing about it since. I thought at the time it was to cover his arse in case the JR goes fully against SISU. And I still think the same.

We have already seen their attempt at purchasing the Higgs share. Even the judge pulled Deering up on it. They have wasted millions on trying to get a few millions knocked off the price. Can't see it happening any time soon.

 

[shmmeee]

Heeheehee!

Lots of meltdowns from the Council haters!

 

[Spionkop]

Shmmeee, So, from observers close by, the bar across the road apparently, the anti council protest pulled in - what - 50 people?
That's one heck of a mandate.
There's a lot of rewriting of history going on.
The council, it seems, are major culprits in this Northampton fiasco.
Nothing to do with with the lilywhite Sisu, oh no.
The reality is Sisu are 99.99% responsible for everything.
The council keep a dignified silence while Sisu bluster and threaten. (Which they never do - do they?)
Meanwhile, Sisu are doing fine in Northampton and some dodgy office space in Lockhurst Lane.
Yeah right.

 

[torchomatic]

I love all the spinning you do. "dignified silence". LOL.

Shmmeee, So, from observers close by, the bar across the road apparently, the anti council protest pulled in - what - 50 people?
That's one heck of a mandate.
There's a lot of rewriting of history going on.
The council, it seems, are major culprits in this Northampton fiasco.
Nothing to do with with the lilywhite Sisu, oh no.
The reality is Sisu are 99.99% responsible for everything.
The council keep a dignified silence while Sisu bluster and threaten. (Which they never do - do they?)
Meanwhile, Sisu are doing fine in Northampton and some dodgy office space in Lockhurst Lane.
Yeah right.

 

[Astute]

I love all the spinning you do. "dignified silence". LOL.

I understand why CCC have kept quiet. SISU try to twist everything CCC says just like Grendel tries to twist everything on here that doesn't look good for SISU.

 

[RoboCCFC90]

I am glad to see the thread remained topical and informative..


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[Spionkop]

Astute, Amen to that.

 

[edgy]

I am glad to see the thread remained topical and informative..


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Such a shame the usual suspects have spoilt it yet again. They claim to want a united voice, yet still after all this time, after all that's said and done - they pipe up to disregard any views or actions which arent 100% in line with theirs.

There is no coming back, until we stop the sniping.

 

[RoboCCFC90]

Such a shame the usual suspects have spoilt it yet again. They claim to want a united voice, yet still after all this time, after all that's said and done - they pipe up to disregard any views or actions which arent 100% in line with theirs.

There is no coming back, until we stop the sniping.

It's happened all season long.. I appreciate that everyone feels differently but I am sure the saying goes "United we stand, divided we will be conquered" the fans need to stand together..


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[Samo]

It's happened all season long.. I appreciate that everyone feels differently but I am sure the saying goes "United we stand, divided we will be conquered" the fans need to stand together..


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Just so I'm clear Robo... supposing the fans were all in complete agreement, how would this hasten a resolution?

 

[RoboCCFC90]

Just so I'm clear Robo... supposing the fans were all in complete agreement, how would this hasten a resolution?

Unified could allow for a stronger voice..


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[Samo]

Unified could allow for a stronger voice..


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And then they'd listen right?

 

[Sky Blue Kid]

Your 100% certain that CCFC wouldn't own it? How I feel about CCFC purchasing the Ricoh is something I would love to share with the people who run the Club and would be a lot easier than what we are currently going through.. Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk

Fisher himself has stated "SISU will own any ground(Including the Ricoh) and NOT CCFC"

 

[RoboCCFC90]

And then they'd listen right?

I think there's more chance that they'd listen rather than they would stand and take notice immediately


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[Jack Griffin]

Three things
3 ML has subsequently stated long lease is the same and would be acceptable

Nice try - better than astute

ML is not directing business strategy, Joy (& maybe Timmy) are, so I take whatever he says with a pinch of salt, after all he was the guy that said they'll be an announcement on a land deal in 3 weeks which never materialised, he followed this up with a fan forum which never materialised..

 

[hill83]

I did win though right? I'm round my mums now and she's read the whole thread and she's saying I didn't win.

 

[Samo]

I think there's more chance that they'd listen rather than they would stand and take notice immediately


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I think too much is made of this issue. I think 98% of fans blame SISU entirely, (look how many turned up at the Council House) that's not far off unity but what difference does it make? Did they listen to 7000 marching through Coventry? This is about a bunch of bloated greedy bastards bearing grudges. Nothing we say is going to change that.

 

[hill83]

I think too much is made of this issue. I think 98% of fans blame SISU entirely, (look how many turned up at the Council House) that's not far off unity but what difference does it make? Did they listen to 7000 marching through Coventry? This is about a bunch of bloated greedy bastards bearing grudges. Nothing we say is going to change that.

As a side note, I don't blame Sisu entirely, and I was within 25 metres of the protest yesterday but didn't take part. So you can't really use how many turned up as a barometer for thread points.

All this protest bollocks is a massive waste of time in my opinion. Whatever will be will be. The only protest that will have any effect is not going to games. And even that is negligible.

 

[Lord_Nampil]

Fisher himself has stated "SISU will own any ground(Including the Ricoh) and NOT CCFC"

Leicester own their stadium...... well actually they don't there owners own their stadium (the lease any way) its all under the King Power Umbrella, speaking to ML this will be near enough exactly the same with CCFC IF they ever owned the Ricoh or there own stadium! Also means IF any one wanted to by the club, then they would have to buy Otium or buy into Otium!

I think theres a lot of confusion and it comes from the club and the way its interpretation to the fans!

 

[Nick]

Leicester own their stadium...... well actually they don't there owners own their stadium (the lease any way) its all under the King Power Umbrella, speaking to ML this will be near enough exactly the same with CCFC IF they ever owned the Ricoh or there own stadium! Also means IF any one wanted to by the club, then they would have to buy Otium or buy into Otium!

I think theres a lot of confusion and it comes from the club and the way its interpretation to the fans!

A lot of clubs do it this way don't they?

 

[Astute]

Such a shame the usual suspects have spoilt it yet again. They claim to want a united voice, yet still after all this time, after all that's said and done - they pipe up to disregard any views or actions which arent 100% in line with theirs.

There is no coming back, until we stop the sniping.

You are 100% correct there. But can't you see the cause of it?

We all want something we can join in with. But actions with an aim that is unrealistic will not get most behind it. Sniping at people that realise this don't help. It just divides us even more.

What is the use of demonstrating against the side that looks to of tried to sort this mess out? If I am going to travel over 4 hours each way for a demonstration I want to know it is worthwhile. Why should I do the dirty work for SISU when all they have done for us supporters is treat us with contempt. I am still waiting for some evidence that SISU have been treated as badly as they keep making out. Just about all the evidence points in the other direction though.

Usual suspects? Do you mean those of us that don't look for every opportunity to attack CCC? I want us back in Coventry just as much as anyone else. But I see myself as being realistic. Most people in Coventry don't give a shit about CCFC. So local MP's might lose a few votes if they don't bow down to SISU. They would lose many, many more votes if they caved in. How much would it cost to give Joy what she wants? How much are the cuts to services going to be?

If Timothy, Labo or Joy ever came out with what their plans for our club.....which are realistic and show that our club has a future and where they look to be telling us the truth for once.......we could all get behind them. But what have they done so far to gain our trust? And them holding my club to ransom in Northampton until they get what they want won't get them my backing. I hate bullies. I have never let a bully get away with anything before and will not start now.

If some evidence ever comes out that shows SISU to be the innocent party I will hold my hands up and admit I am wrong. But what has ever come out of allegations they have made before?

 

[Lord_Nampil]

I think they do Nick,

As i have said the confusion is what fans talk about, and maybe if it was cleared up alittle people would understand!

A good example will be to look at the Man City stadium purchase, although cost etc make it a world apart, the similarities between owners of the club and a council are the same! Im guessing its under a similar umbrella to Leicester owners!

 

[blend]

Oh, just fuck off you moron. I give up. Good night to you all.

I hope you have an excuse that you'd had one too many sherbets, that's just not very nice at all especially after bringing up damage to fan's unity. I you can't take a live and let live approach stop banging on to others about unity. There seems to be one person in particular demanding he has a right to the truth. People in glass houses................

 

[Astute]

The owners of Leicester City have taken the club forwards. Look where they are now to where they were. They put money into the club. Does the club have a massive debt owed to them?

Then you have our club and SISU. Trying to think of anything similar between the two situations.

 

[Bennets Afro]

The owners of Leicester City have taken the club forwards. Look where they are now to where they were. They put money into the club. Does the club have a massive debt owed to them?

Then you have our club and SISU. Trying to think of anything similar between the two situations.

Leicester now own their own stadium and wasn't ripped off by their own council

 

[RedSalmon]

You are 100% correct there. But can't you see the cause of it?

We all want something we can join in with. But actions with an aim that is unrealistic will not get most behind it. Sniping at people that realise this don't help. It just divides us even more.

What is the use of demonstrating against the side that looks to of tried to sort this mess out? If I am going to travel over 4 hours each way for a demonstration I want to know it is worthwhile. Why should I do the dirty work for SISU when all they have done for us supporters is treat us with contempt. I am still waiting for some evidence that SISU have been treated as badly as they keep making out. Just about all the evidence points in the other direction though.

Usual suspects? Do you mean those of us that don't look for every opportunity to attack CCC? I want us back in Coventry just as much as anyone else. But I see myself as being realistic. Most people in Coventry don't give a shit about CCFC. So local MP's might lose a few votes if they don't bow down to SISU. They would lose many, many more votes if they caved in. How much would it cost to give Joy what she wants? How much are the cuts to services going to be?

If Timothy, Labo or Joy ever came out with what their plans for our club.....which are realistic and show that our club has a future and where they look to be telling us the truth for once.......we could all get behind them. But what have they done so far to gain our trust? And them holding my club to ransom in Northampton until they get what they want won't get them my backing. I hate bullies. I have never let a bully get away with anything before and will not start now.

If some evidence ever comes out that shows SISU to be the innocent party I will hold my hands up and admit I am wrong. But what has ever come out of allegations they have made before?

Very well said. Agree.

 

[skybluetony176]

A lot of clubs do it this way don't they?

A lot of clubs deliberately confuse fans? I'm sure you're right to some degree but sisu take the biscuit. They could have put this ownership question to bed at the very start, and I don't mean from the first mumblings of stadium development or owning the ricoh freehold, I mean from day one of ownership. The fact that they haven't only lead me to one of 3 conclusions.

1) They don't have a forward thinking business plan so can't tell us.

2) Joy has a plan but TF and ML are incapable of understanding it so are unable to convey it to us fans.

3) They don't want to tell us because we won't support it as it's a hindrance to the club not a benefit meaning they will lose the last of the tiny percentage of fans they still have on board.

I find it hard to believe that scenario 3 isn't the most likely. After all if it was going to be good for the club we would all be on side and this would be a huge benefit to them in bashing ACL/CCC. Yet they remain tight lipped, why?

 

[Matty_CCFC]

Leicester now own their own stadium and wasn't ripped off by their own council

You are correct, as I recall Leicester went bust twice and ended up getting a great deal for very little to start them on the right route. They are the reason clubs like us get taken for so much when we get into trouble.


As for our club being ripped of by the Council, even though I do not live in Coventry I would be very pissed off if my Council had done anything differently.
Its very obvious that you have been taken in by all the SUSU shit?