Why NO Protests outside the Council House? (1 Viewer)

[ohitsaidwalker king power]

So you judge the depth of feeling and protest against something by the physical number of people outside a building do you?

Equally one could argue the opposite with regard to the strength of feeling of the majority which is made clear from the reduced number of fans that attend Sixfield?

 

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[italiahorse]

Obviously they'll never be a protest outside the town hall as many like to ignore CCCs role in the whole affair !!!!!!!!!!

What would the signs say.

CCC OUT :thinking about:
GIVE SISU THE STADIUM ? :thinking about:
WE LOVE SISU ? :thinking about:

WHO ATE ALL THE PIES :thinking about:

TIM FISHER FOR MAJOR :thinking about:

GRENDULL'S ARMY :thinking about:

 

[DazzleTommyDazzle]

Obviously they'll never be a protest outside the town hall as many like to ignore CCCs role in the whole affair !!!!!!!!!!

Or perhaps think that it is a minor role when compared to SISU's.

 

[Nick]

Or perhaps think that it is a minor role when compared to SISU's.

Yes but it is STILL a role, still a part of it, still a bit to blame and what pressure are they under to do anything about it?

 

[torchomatic]

!!!!!!!!!!!!!

What would the signs say.

CCC OUT :thinking about:
GIVE SISU THE STADIUM ? :thinking about:
WE LOVE SISU ? :thinking about:

WHO ATE ALL THE PIES :thinking about:

TIM FISHER FOR MAJOR :thinking about:

GRENDULL'S ARMY :thinking about:

 

[torchomatic]

A role, minor or not.

Or perhaps think that it is a minor role when compared to SISU's.

 

[DazzleTommyDazzle]

As I understand it, SISU's current position is that they will not go back to the Ricoh.

On that basis CCC's position is pretty irrelevant.

If SISU said that they would come back for a defined deal (a sensible one), that would be the time to put pressure on CCC to deliver it.

As things stand - in my view - all the pressure should be focused on those that are keeping us in exile.

 

[italiahorse]

As I understand it, SISU's current position is that they will not go back to the Ricoh.

On that basis CCC's position is pretty irrelevant.

If SISU said that they would come back for a defined deal (a sensible one), that would be the time to put pressure on CCC to deliver it.

As things stand - in my view - all the pressure should be focused on those that are keeping us in exile.

But both parties never say what they have offered so we can never make a valued judgement.

 

[Nick]

As I understand it, SISU's current position is that they will not go back to the Ricoh.

On that basis CCC's position is pretty irrelevant.

If SISU said that they would come back for a defined deal (a sensible one), that would be the time to put pressure on CCC to deliver it.

As things stand - in my view - all the pressure should be focused on those that are keeping us in exile.

Every single parties position is relevant... this is what people are trying to see. I bet half the people going mad at sisu don't even remember the previous regime

 

[italiahorse]

Every single parties position is relevant... this is what people are trying to see. I bet half the people going mad at sisu don't even remember the previous regime

The previous one had a vision of greatness for the club but they were incompetent in achieving it.
These owners have no vision of greatness for the club and are incompetent, devious and spiteful.

 

[torchomatic]

Both regimes are as bad as each other. One sold our home, the other moved us away from the City.

The previous one had a vision of greatness for the club but they were incompetent in achieving it.
These owners have no vision of greatness for the club and are incompetent, devious and spiteful.

 

[ohitsaidwalker king power]

Every single parties position is relevant... this is what people are trying to see. I bet half the people going mad at sisu don't even remember the previous regime

I do... not even close... the previous regime aspired... granted took a gamble and lost.....this regime.. well.... history speaks.

 

[torchomatic]

Ha! I love how people forgive Richardson for selling our ground, earning massive wages (second only to the Premier League chief), relegating us, etc because he "aspired".

I do... not even close... the previous regime aspired... granted took a gamble and lost.....this regime.. well.... history speaks.

 

[NorthernWisdom]

Ha! I love how people forgive Richardson for selling our ground, earning massive wages (second only to the Premier League chief), relegating us, etc because he "aspired".

I find it a lot easier to forgive Richardson for aspiring than I do Robinson for, well...

 

[ohitsaidwalker king power]

Ha! I love how people forgive Richardson for selling our ground, earning massive wages (second only to the Premier League chief), relegating us, etc because he "aspired".

Did I say I forgave him if indeed it was "Him" alone... of course not moving from Highfield road without a plan B was a bloody disaster.
But the constant reference to the previous regime being root cause for the present dilema is rather like Government spin blaming previous governments for the present state of the countries situation- wearable to a point but at some point- and I believe that 5-6 years is a reasonable time frame- the management regime has to accept responsibility for the situation for which it has the controlling factor- this view isn't limited to CCFC... please dont tell me you think SISU are victims in all this, at the mercy of previous decisions made by previous incumbents?

 

[Nick]

Did I say I forgave him if indeed it was "Him" alone... of course not moving from Highfield road without a plan B was a bloody disaster.
But the constant reference to the previous regime being root cause for the present dilema is rather like Government spin blaming previous governments for the present state of the countries situation- wearable to a point but at some point- and I believe that 5-6 years is a reasonable time frame- the management regime has to accept responsibility for the situation for which it has the controlling factor- this view isn't limited to CCFC... please dont tell me you think SISU are victims in all this, at the mercy of previous decisions made by previous incumbents?

Nobody is saying that they are mainly to blame but they were the reason we were paying stupidly high rent with no revenues wasnt it?

 

[ohitsaidwalker king power]

Nobody is saying that they are mainly to blame but they were the reason we were paying stupidly high rent with no revenues wasnt it?

and SISU didnt know this......? Eyes wide shut... is that what you are suggesting- come on... whilst I dont like them- they are clearly very very astute.

I absolutley agree the rent was too high for a club in Div1, I absolutley agree that access to revenue streams other than ticket sales is vital for CCFC sustainability.. but as before it is my conclusion that SISU agreed to pay the rent as part of their plan to acquire the Ricoh freehold. This was in my view an associated business cost they were prepared to meet in the short term... when their "short term" plan to acquire the Ricoh failed they ceased paying the rent to distress ACL- in an effort to promote a hostile takeover/firesale.... CCC agreeing to takeover ACLs' mortgage clearly upset this plan- as a function of which the JR was requested by SISU- with known judgement also clearly accusing SISU of unfair play. As a consequence of which- SISU's teddy was thrown and off to Northampton we all are expected to trot? Fundamentally it is this sequence of events that led me to conclude that I could not support SISU's groundshare proposal.. and drew me to the regrettable conclusion that I must support the NOPM campaign after 35 consecutive years as a S/T holder. I have seen absolutley no evidence since these events from SISU to draw me back to a more moderate position where I can even consider going to Northampton- indeed subsequent events have hardened my view.

 

[Samo]

and SISU didnt know this......? Eyes wide shut... is that what you are suggesting- come on... whilst I dont like them- they are clearly very very astute.

I absolutley agree the rent was too high for a club in Div1, I absolutley agree that access to revenue streams other than ticket sales is vital for CCFC sustainability.. but as before it is my conclusion that SISU agreed to pay the rent as part of their plan to acquire the Ricoh freehold. This was in my view an associated business cost they were prepared to meet in the short term... when their "short term" plan to acquire the Ricoh failed they ceased paying the rent to distress ACL- in an effort to promote a hostile takeover/firesale.... CCC agreeing to takeover ACLs' mortgage clearly upset this plan- as a function of which the JR was requested by SISU- with known judgement also clearly accusing SISU of unfair play. As a consequence of which- SISU's teddy was thrown and off to Northampton we all are expected to trot? Fundamentally it is this sequence of events that led me to conclude that I could not support SISU's groundshare proposal.. and drew me to the regrettable conclusion that I must support the NOPM campaign. I have seen absolutley no evidence since these events from SISU to draw me back to a more moderate position where I can even consider going to Northampton- indeed subsequent events have hardened my view.

Absolutely spot-on.

 

[DazzleTommyDazzle]

Every single parties position is relevant... this is what people are trying to see. I bet half the people going mad at sisu don't even remember the previous regime

I think you're confusing relevance to how we got into this mess, with relevance to how we get out of it.

Or are you suggesting that a protest outside Richardson's house will help us get back to Coventry?

 

[torchomatic]

SISU victims? No, of course not. They have set their own disastrous course. However, everything is linked. If we hadn't have "aspired" then we would probably still be in a stadium we owned outright and not in Northampton.

Did I say I forgave him if indeed it was "Him" alone... of course not moving from Highfield road without a plan B was a bloody disaster.
But the constant reference to the previous regime being root cause for the present dilema is rather like Government spin blaming previous governments for the present state of the countries situation- wearable to a point but at some point- and I believe that 5-6 years is a reasonable time frame- the management regime has to accept responsibility for the situation for which it has the controlling factor- this view isn't limited to CCFC... please dont tell me you think SISU are victims in all this, at the mercy of previous decisions made by previous incumbents?

 

[italiahorse]

and SISU didnt know this......? Eyes wide shut... is that what you are suggesting- come on... whilst I dont like them- they are clearly very very astute.

I absolutley agree the rent was too high for a club in Div1, I absolutley agree that access to revenue streams other than ticket sales is vital for CCFC sustainability.. but as before it is my conclusion that SISU agreed to pay the rent as part of their plan to acquire the Ricoh freehold. This was in my view an associated business cost they were prepared to meet in the short term... when their "short term" plan to acquire the Ricoh failed they ceased paying the rent to distress ACL- in an effort to promote a hostile takeover/firesale.... CCC agreeing to takeover ACLs' mortgage clearly upset this plan- as a function of which the JR was requested by SISU- with known judgement also clearly accusing SISU of unfair play. As a consequence of which- SISU's teddy was thrown and off to Northampton we all are expected to trot? Fundamentally it is this sequence of events that led me to conclude that I could not support SISU's groundshare proposal.. and drew me to the regrettable conclusion that I must support the NOPM campaign. I have seen absolutley no evidence since these events from SISU to draw me back to a more moderate position where I can even consider going to Northampton- indeed subsequent events have hardened my view.

Speaks for me entirely.

 

[NorthernWisdom]

I think you're confusing relevance to how we got into this mess, with relevance to how we get out of it.

Although how to get out of it is surely pressuring all sides to talk?

Even if you accept SISU are indeed mostly to blame for this, attempting to force them back with inappropriate deals will only delay the inevitable.

 

[Nick]

Although how to get out of it is surely pressuring all sides to talk?

Even if you accept SISU are indeed mostly to blame for this, attempting to force them back with inappropriate deals will only delay the inevitable.

Yes but the council and their mate haskell have promised fans on the board

 

[ohitsaidwalker king power]

SISU victims? No, of course not. They have set their own disastrous course. However, everything is linked. If we hadn't have "aspired" then we would probably still be in a stadium we owned outright and not in Northampton.

I dont disagree with that Torch- but do disagree that it is the reason why we are where we are- on the brink of extinction.
With a little strategic thinking, focussed on the football club rather than Ricoh freehold acquisition I think we as a football club would be in a far healthier position.
For example why at SISU takeover of CCFC was the rent, known to be excessive not renegotiated on the basis of the takeover?

 

[ohitsaidwalker king power]

Yes but the council and their mate haskell have promised fans on the board

I dont think this is workable- fans on the board in an advisory "voice" capacity yes- but in terms of decision making- dont think its plausible- tail wagging dog in its truest sense cannot be the best solution.

 

[shropshirecov]

Nothing ACL offer, other than selling their shares for a pittance, will bring the club back. Fisher would still tell them to f*** off if they offered the place rent free.

If they said 5 grand a year like Hull City pay, and you keep everything you generate, the club would be back like a shot.

 

[skybluefred]

If they said 5 grand a year like Hull City pay, and you keep everything you generate, the club would be back like a shot.

I'am not entirely sure the City ratepayers would agree with that,and there would still be rates to pay. I do agree that
there was probably some fingers dipping into the pot when the whole stadium deal was finalised.

Also agree the Club need all revenue generated on match day's,F&B car parking etc. Makes you wonder why they sold
the F&B right's, Was that back in Robinsons day?

It is also obvious the the original outlay (less the money received from Tesco) on building the stadium is recuperated.

 

[shmmeee]

I dont think this is workable- fans on the board in an advisory "voice" capacity yes- but in terms of decision making- dont think its plausible- tail wagging dog in its truest sense cannot be the best solution.

Couldn't disagree more. We already have a "consultation group" and look how that went.

51% ownership with an elected, limited term Chairman is the only way.

 

[bigfatronssba]

If they said 5 grand a year like Hull City pay, and you keep everything you generate, the club would be back like a shot.

What has Hull City got to do with anything?

 

[torchomatic]

I guess it highlights what other authorities have done to help out their football team in council owned stadia.

What has Hull City got to do with anything?

 

[ohitsaidwalker king power]

Couldn't disagree more. We already have a "consultation group" and look how that went.

51% ownership with an elected, limited term Chairman is the only way.

Yes you make a decent case against current proposal.. but how would it work then in your view. To be honest I hadnt given it too much thought, rather dismissed it as a notion... convince me?

 

[italiahorse]

I'am not entirely sure the City ratepayers would agree with that,and there would still be rates to pay. I do agree that
there was probably some fingers dipping into the pot when the whole stadium deal was finalised.

Also agree the Club need all revenue generated on match day's,F&B car parking etc. Makes you wonder why they sold
the F&B right's, Was that back in Robinsons day?

It is also obvious the the original outlay (less the money received from Tesco) on building the stadium is recuperated.

They should agree a zero rent if it was the most cost effective option for them.
If you give the Football club the revenue generated at the matches and the football club paid the incremental costs like police etc on the day you would be no worse off than you are now.
ACL would gain because the business rates, utilities bills etc pro rata on the stadium would be another cost that the football club would pick up.

Where it gets complicated is when the club want all the revenues from the stadium, like concerts etc
That would be an incremental loss for ACL .

There must be middle ground to suit both.

 

[chiefdave]

I guess it highlights what other authorities have done to help out their football team in council owned stadia.

Not sure Hull are the best example. my accountant supports Hull and whenever we talk about our problems with the Ricoh he always tells me about what a mess the stadium situation is in Hull to the point that their owner is now talking about building a new ground and moving out!

Is there any reason any one of the people on here moaning about the lack of a protest outside the council house cant organise one. NOPM and Keep Cov in Cov were each started by just one person I believe so it can't be beyond someone to organise a protest instead of keep moaning on here there isn't one.

 

[Nick]

Not sure Hull are the best example. my accountant supports Hull and whenever we talk about our problems with the Ricoh he always tells me about what a mess the stadium situation is in Hull to the point that their owner is now talking about building a new ground and moving out!

Is there any reason any one of the people on here moaning about the lack of a protest outside the council house cant organise one. NOPM and Keep Cov in Cov were each started by just one person I believe so it can't be beyond someone to organise a protest instead of keep moaning on here there isn't one.

Isn't that what the trust is for though? It is fair enough saying do it yourself but when the idea on here for the old boys game at the ricoh to get at sisu it was jumped on like a rash...

 

[bigfatronssba]

I guess it highlights what other authorities have done to help out their football team in council owned stadia.

But unless their situation is exactly the same as ours (which it isn't) then its not really a relevant argument.