Manchester Airport Incident (6 Viewers)

[GIMOC]

I posted the top Google search result for 'Scotland Yard' which lists it as a police station. If that's the biggest stick you've got to hit me with here, it's a bit desperate.

what are you on about? I don’t need Google to tell me Scotland Yard isn’t a police station

Anyone over the age of 10 knows this

you try and be clever but haven’t once discussed the issues raised but try and keep points with daft points

 

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[mmttww]

you try and be clever but haven’t once discussed the issues raised but try and keep points with daft points

You've just described your input this morning. You've derailed the chat with questions that have nothing to do with the incident and the issues people were debating i.e. level of force used, whether or not using lethal weapons would've been the way to go etc.

 

[SBT]

Honestly an extended argument over whether Scotland Yard is a police station is just outstanding. Elite message board discourse.

 

[duffer]

doesn’t matter who the Twitter handle is. it’s the content

again what makes me laugh. you are more concerned who the twitter handle is rather than the video it highlights

says it all

not one person can discuss anything but shout about who the person posting the video

it makes me laugh how you guys shout Muslim but never talk about the wrongdoings

all I’ve seen on this thread is police brutality and laughing at twitter handles but don’t discuss any content

it’s like a echo chamber in here

How can I put this politely. You are buying into the narrative of a racist idiot, so yes, it matters.

Of course it matters where you get the content from - do you believe everything you read? You should be concerned about who you're using to give you your world view, and what that says about you.

I'm going to say this again, because depressingly, it never seems to stick.

If you think all Muslims are the same (and let's not pretend you're thinking of them being all the same in a positive way) you are a racist.

So, what is your issue with Muslims, mate? What "wrongdoing" is it that you and Tommy think that they are all guilty of, that the rest of us are ignoring?

 

[duffer]

you said Scotland Yard was a police station. It’s not. so you don’t like being called out but call me windmilling it’s brilliant on here

It's not Scotland Yard. It's New Scotland Yard. Technically, new, New Scotland Yard, or possibly even new, new, New Scotland Yard, depending on where you draw the line. So technically, you're wrong on it too, as if that matters.

Personally, I think there might be bigger issues here...

 

[PVA]

They shot Menezes who was unarmed.

Yes because they though he was a suicide bomber, so totally different situation to this.

And the fact that he was wrongly killed is just proof of why lethal force is so very rarely used.

There was absolutely no justification for these two offenders to be shot, just typical contrarianism from Grendel.

 

[Grendel]

Yes because they though he was a suicide bomber, so totally different situation to this.

And the fact that he was wrongly killed is just proof of why lethal force is so very rarely used.

There was absolutely no justification for these two offenders to be shot, just typical contrarianism from Grendel.

What about Chris Kaba?

Also a fair few agree shooting was an entirely justifiable response

 

[ccfctommy]

They shot Menezes who was unarmed.

Twenty years ago to the day...

 

[mmttww]

What about...?

 

[GIMOC]

How can I put this politely. You are buying into the narrative of a racist idiot, so yes, it matters.

Of course it matters where you get the content from - do you believe everything you read? You should be concerned about who you're using to give you your world view, and what that says about you.

I'm going to say this again, because depressingly, it never seems to stick.

If you think all Muslims are the same (and let's not pretend you're thinking of them being all the same in a positive way) you are a racist.

So, what is your issue with Muslims, mate? What "wrongdoing" is it that you and Tommy think that they are all guilty of, that the rest of us are ignoring?

Soldiers getting stabbed on our steers. The Manchester Bombing, the London Bridge attacks, the 7/7 and 21/7 attacks, Parliament attacks, the Reading park attacks, the Grooming Gangs, 10s of thousands of Islamic Terrorists on a watch list in Britain. All By the Religion of Peace. Plus there are more I could reel off. I'm not against the law abiding Muslims but as a community they are worse part. They never take accountability for issues within the communities. The grooming gangs travesty prime example. Prisons are being run by Muslim gangs.

80% of wars in the world involve Muslims.

It doesn't make me racist to bring all the above up. it’s easy to shout the race card but there is more to it then just shouting racist

 

[PVA]

What about Chris Kaba?

Also a fair few agree shooting was an entirely justifiable response

Yeah, a fair few idiots maybe.

The fact that the incident was resolved using tasers and without lethal force is all the proof you need that killing someone would have been excessive force.

Absolute contrary nonsense as usual.

 

[chiefdave]

you conveniently missed the hate speech part out standing outside saying get the motherfuckers

it’s magical how you try to claim the classic holier thou holier approach but won’t call anything out that goes against your narrative

wtf are you on about? I've repeatedly said anyone breaking the law should be dealt with in line with the laws of the land.

not really sure some twat with a megaphone saying 'get the motherfuckers' is going to meet the threshold for hate speach.

 

[GIMOC]

wtf are you on about? I've repeatedly said anyone breaking the law should be dealt with in line with the laws of the land.

not really sure some twat with a megaphone saying 'get the motherfuckers' is going to meet the threshold for hate speach.

I remember that next time some right wing loon outside a hotel says get the motherfuckers and you’ll be happy with that?

 

[mmttww]

80% of wars in the world involve Muslims.

You wanna name them? Israel isn't very Muslim, and neither was Russia last time I checked. This should be good...

 

[chiefdave]

I remember that next time some right wing loon outside a hotel says get the motherfuckers and you’ll be happy with that?

I think the issue with the 'right wing loon' you are referring to was more that he was trying to set fire to a hotel containing refuges while others tried to get into the hotel to attack them.

 

[shmmeee]

I think the issue with the 'right wing loon' you are referring to was more that he was trying to set fire to a hotel containing refuges while others tried to get into the hotel to attack them.

Was a police station involved though? Violence against police is OK as long as they’re at least 15 feet from their home base, it’s all in the rulebook.

 

[GIMOC]

I think the issue with the 'right wing loon' you are referring to was more that he was trying to set fire to a hotel containing refuges while others tried to get into the hotel to attack them.

here you go. When it suits

Muslim outside police station. if we don’t get justice we will get the morherfuckers is fine

but say it outside a hotel, it’s wrong.

get you

 

[shmmeee]

here you go. When it suits

Muslim outside police station. if we don’t get justice we will get the morherfuckers is fine

but say it outside a hotel, it’s wrong.

get you

Threatening violence against the police because you don’t like how the justice system is working is never OK.

 

[GIMOC]

You wanna name them? Israel isn't very Muslim, and neither was Russia last time I checked. This should be good...

pick up a history book

look what’s happening in Africa at the minute

Just because it’s not on news doesn’t mean other parts of the world haven’t got wars going on

 

[Grendel]

Yeah, a fair few idiots maybe.

The fact that the incident was resolved using tasers and without lethal force is all the proof you need that killing someone would have been excessive force.

Absolute contrary nonsense as usual.

Lol “contrary nonsense” - really shooting for internet points ma today

 

[GIMOC]

Threatening violence against the police because you don’t like how the justice system is working is never OK.

when according to @chiefdave it is because he didn’t see anything wrong with it

 

[Ccfcisparks]

pick up a history book

look what’s happening in Africa at the minute

Just because it’s not on news doesn’t mean other parts of the world haven’t got wars going on

Whats the solution?

 

[Grendel]

Kaba I believe was unarmed. Apparently you can’t shoot unarmed people

 

[GIMOC]

Whats the solution?

if I knew I wouldn’t talking to you now would I? fuck me what kind of question is that

 

[GIMOC]

You wanna name them? Israel isn't very Muslim, and neither was Russia last time I checked. This should be good...

Today’s Armed Conflicts - The Geneva Academy of International Humanitarian Law and Human Rights

geneva-academy.ch

Look at the countries mentioned

also happens a lot in Africa





If you actually do some research you’ll know what happens across the world

 

[PVA]

Lol “contrary nonsense” - really shooting for internet points ma today

Says the man who thinks lethal force should have been used to resolve a situation that was resolved without lethal force. Fucking clown.

 

[PVA]

Kaba I believe was unarmed. Apparently you can’t shoot unarmed people

You can't shoot unarmed people because they've thrown some punches no.

It's for exceptional cases only, with an incredibly high threshold to get to that point.

Shooting this man would have been unlawful and it's absurd to suggest otherwise.

 

[chiefdave]

here you go. When it suits

Muslim outside police station. if we don’t get justice we will get the morherfuckers is fine

but say it outside a hotel, it’s wrong.

get you

Can you not read, thats not what I've said in the slightest.

I'll try again and make it as easy as possible for you.

1) anyone who breaks the law should be punished. The law should be applied and due process followed
2) people should refrain from posting partial clips of events on social media as it risks negatively impacting due process and causing those charged to be able to escape on a technicality
3) publishing partial clips of events risks escalating situations unnecessarily
4) throwing eggs at a police station is stupid but most likely isn't going to cause the police to shut the station down out of fear
5) a person shouting 'we will get the motherfuckers' is idiotic and not something I would support however it is very unlikely to meet the threshold for hate speech, if it does then 1 applies and they should be punished to the full extent of the law using due process.
I suspect it would be more likely a successful charge under incitement to violence but even for that you'd need to show a level of influence over others and I'm not sure that threshold would be met
6) trying to set fire to a hotel containing refugees is not legal and should be treated accordingly
7) trying to break into a hotel containing refugees is not legal and should be treated accordingly

 

[mmttww]

look what’s happening in Africa at the minute

I just did, and that accounts for two distinct conflicts as far as I can tell. Where'd you get 80% from?

Edit: please don't post YouTube clips. Just tell me what you think and where you got your facts from.

 

[Bugsy]

You can't shoot unarmed people because they've thrown some punches no.

It's for exceptional cases only, with an incredibly high threshold to get to that point.

Shooting this man would have been unlawful and it's absurd to suggest otherwise.

Man seriously injured after being shot by police outside Kent village pub

The Independent Office for Police Conduct watchdog has launched an investigation into the incident.

news.sky.com

 

[GIMOC]

I just did, and that accounts for two distinct conflicts as far as I can tell. Where'd you get 80% from?

Edit: please don't post YouTube clips. Just tell me what you think and where you got your facts from.

This list you melon

Today’s Armed Conflicts - The Geneva Academy of International Humanitarian Law and Human Rights

geneva-academy.ch

All the conflicts in the world currently. 80% involving Muslim countries or Muslims involvement

do your research like I said. because it’s not on bbc doesn’t mean it’s not happening

 

[PVA]

Man seriously injured after being shot by police outside Kent village pub

The Independent Office for Police Conduct watchdog has launched an investigation into the incident.

news.sky.com

Yes and it's being investigated.

 

[GIMOC]

Can you not read, thats not what I've said in the slightest.

I'll try again and make it as easy as possible for you.

1) anyone who breaks the law should be punished. The law should be applied and due process followed
2) people should refrain from posting partial clips of events on social media as it risks negatively impacting due process and causing those charged to be able to escape on a technicality
3) publishing partial clips of events risks escalating situations unnecessarily
4) throwing eggs at a police station is stupid but most likely isn't going to cause the police to shut the station down out of fear
5) a person shouting 'we will get the motherfuckers' is idiotic and not something I would support however it is very unlikely to meet the threshold for hate speech, if it does then 1 applies and they should be punished to the full extent of the law using due process.
I suspect it would be more likely a successful charge under incitement to violence but even for that you'd need to show a level of influence over others and I'm not sure that threshold would be met
6) trying to set fire to a hotel containing refugees is not legal and should be treated accordingly
7) trying to break into a hotel containing refugees is not legal and should be treated accordingly

again I’ll remind you

if you seen a video of group of white people outside a hotel shouting get the motherfuckers. you would be fine with that and say they are entitled to their opinion?

 

[mmttww]

Today’s Armed Conflicts - The Geneva Academy of International Humanitarian Law and Human Rights

geneva-academy.ch

No list in the link and no breakdown of the ethnicity or religious affiliation of the forces involved. It's hard to trust your number crunching on this one. 80% sounds like a number you used because it's used a lot.

 

[GIMOC]

No list in the link and no breakdown of the ethnicity or religious affiliation of the forces involved. It's hard to trust your number crunching on this one. 80% sounds like a number you used because it's used a lot.

no list in the link

Are you blind. it show countries with current conflicts. takes all of 5 mins to work out how many of those countries have a vast majority of Muslim population

Now if you want to ignore what I’ve shared that’s fine but don’t come back with silly points when the facts are there for you

you really hate being called out on things don’t you

just admit, the vast majority of conflicts in the world involve Muslims

Have more respect for you if you actually put your hands up