Brighton Sky Blue
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So *all* of the people doing this crime are Pakistani origin?
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mmttww
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Keep winding yourself up if it makes you happy. Make up whatever you feel like to add to the word count. Nothing you've typed will have an effect on how I view what I said so it's a waste of energy and bandwidth.
and to admins, are we cool with this stuff?
fernandopartridge
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Where does it say that witness statements were altered? It states that ethnicity data is poorly collected or not at all.
tisza
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The Bristol gang was Somali
Sky Blue Pete
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Is one way of seeing it this is perhaps the other end of the opinion which adds balance
Louise Casey is right: children must be saved from grooming gangs. But the culture warriors must be ignored | Polly Toynbee
The new inquiry needs a sharp focus on the reality of this horrific abuse. A process hijacked by opportunists will only fail victims again, says Guardian columnist Polly Toynbee
Grendel
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The grooming gangs in Telford;
Telford child sex abuse went on for generations, inquiry finds
Agencies blamed children and not perpetrators for the abuse suffered in Telford, the report says.
www.bbc.co.uk
The grooming gangs in Rochdale;
The grooming gangs in Rotherham
The grooming gangs in Newcastle
Operation Sanctuary: Newcastle child sex network convicted
Vulnerable girls and young women were plied with alcohol and drugs and then forced to have sex.
www.bbc.co.uk
You tell me
Ccfcisparks
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The answer is no they are notThe grooming gangs in Telford;
Telford child sex abuse went on for generations, inquiry finds
Agencies blamed children and not perpetrators for the abuse suffered in Telford, the report says.
The grooming gangs in Rochdale;
The grooming gangs in Rotherham
The grooming gangs in Newcastle
Operation Sanctuary: Newcastle child sex network convicted
Vulnerable girls and young women were plied with alcohol and drugs and then forced to have sex.
You tell me
Bolton grooming gang guilty of abuse in 'party house' - BBC News
Eight men have been convicted of multiple sexual offences agains a teenage girl.
www.bbc.co.uk
Mucca Mad Boys
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That’s a moot point for start because a lot of the recommendations are about closing loopholes and sharing data between agencies.
Nonetheless, there are actually 2 recommendations pertaining to ethnic identity. Recommendation 4 is collecting data on suspects and R10 is commissioning research into ‘group based child sexual exploitation’.
The bottom line is that if the local authorities took the victims seriously and were willing to prosecute suspects, rather than being concerned with being labelled ‘racist’ or ‘inflaming community tensions’… the scale of this scandal wouldn’t be as widespread. It’s as simple as that.
Grendel
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The answer is no they are not
Bolton grooming gang guilty of abuse in 'party house' - BBC News
Eight men have been convicted of multiple sexual offences agains a teenage girl.
One teenage girl. Jesus Christ. Scouring the internet - its incredible.
Pakistani men created a criminal gang mentality to systematically abuse in some cases pre-pubescent white girls. They targeted specifically white girls as they saw them as underclass. Why this triggers people I have know idea. They fed them with drugs, enticed them with gifts and coerced them. They then used them for money and forced them to be systematically raped by hundreds of men who viewed them as "white trash"
The deflecting and swerving from this is frankly disgusting.
Ccfcisparks
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I'm just trying to add some balance to this argument.
It was 6 girls too.
Not sure why it makes a difference 1 girl or 100 girls.
Sick burn
Brighton Sky Blue
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The Home Office report seems to disagreeThe grooming gangs in Telford;
Telford child sex abuse went on for generations, inquiry finds
Agencies blamed children and not perpetrators for the abuse suffered in Telford, the report says.
The grooming gangs in Rochdale;
The grooming gangs in Rotherham
The grooming gangs in Newcastle
Operation Sanctuary: Newcastle child sex network convicted
Vulnerable girls and young women were plied with alcohol and drugs and then forced to have sex.
You tell me
Grendel
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Its not balance though is it and these cases are specifically race related. White girls who were deemed as dirty and promiscuous and who then were subjected to abuse none of us on here could ever even begin to imagine.
If the victims read some of the crap posted on here over the last 48 hours what would they think?
Ccfcisparks
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You've just invalidated that 1 girls experience in the Bolton case by saying "just one girl"
Grendel
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These cases are specifically race related -the face you are spending time defending this is disgusting.
Mucca Mad Boys
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The answer is no they are not
Bolton grooming gang guilty of abuse in 'party house' - BBC News
Eight men have been convicted of multiple sexual offences agains a teenage girl.
No one denies that the existence of grooming gangs of other ethnicities.
You have one group representing 4% of the population committing 62% of CSE crimes and 64% of all suspects in Rotherham. That’s clearly a problem you cannot ignore or even obfuscate.
Ccfcisparks
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As I've said in a previous post, there clearly is a problem in that group of the population.
To suggest grooming gangs is just a pakistani problem though is too far the other way.
In reality theres middle ground to both sides people are arguing.
Brighton Sky Blue
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I’m defending nothing. The report there says Black and South Asian men are overrepresented but the majority of offenders are white.
Unless you think the Home Office is also ‘defending’ grooming gangs.
Grendel
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Its not invalidating it at all. Its not a network of grooming that existed for years in these societies and was a targeted racial attack by Pakistani men on white girls. This is not the same. Of course it exists in the white community but the denial this is a specific race issue is really strange.
Grendel
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Are the victims in these other cases purely targeted by race?
Ccfcisparks
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I've not denied it anywhere, and said theres clearly a problem.
Fair enough if there’s only one kind of grooming you want the authorities to tackle, but why get upset with people for pointing out it’s a broader problem?
Brighton Sky Blue
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Read the report. It actually covers the topic and data with a great deal of balance.
Grendel
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Are there other instances where victims were targeted solely by race?
Brighton Sky Blue
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I don’t know. If I go looking I assume you will again call me ‘disgusting’?
Mucca Mad Boys
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This is a dishonest take.
The report did not find that white grooming gangs were widespread and certainly did not find that the authorities were hesitant to prosecute suspects because there were concerns over being labelled racist and raising community tensions. That means that the authorities knowingly covered up the scale of this issue specifically where ethnic minorities were involved.
This tactic where you claim we’re only interested in the ethnic minority to implicitly suggest it’s racist is how we got to this point in the first place.
Every community has its share of wronguns. What the data is increasingly showing is that there are certain nationalities and ethnic minorities that are vastly overrepresented.
Its a bit more than just poor data collection. People are still ignoring a key element of the Casey report:
"We found many examples of organisations avoiding the topic altogether for fear of appearing racist, raising community tensions or causing community cohesion problems,"
Unfortunately ‘do gooders’ have inadvertently thrown the large majority of good, well meaning members of the Pakistani community under the bus as this could/should’ve been nipped in the bud years ago. The far right will now leap on this and probably try to tar everyone with the same brush. Same as the HR lawyers/open borders groups keeping criminals in the country for spurious reasons to block deportations.
All that happens is people then question everything whether that’s immigration as a whole, the ECHR or even the political establishment which leaves the space for populism.
Been talking about it since before Brexit and it’s similar to the problems in the U.S., if you ignore decent people’s genuine concerns, throw cost of living crisis/difficult economic times and you can end up with people like Trump or god forbid Farage in power.
Grendel
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Well look and please don't cry - I doubt your internet pain is as much as a 10 year old white girl being continually raped purely because she is deemed inferior by colour. Forgive me for not having any sympathy.
Nick
Administrator
Kind of explains the issue when people are trying their best to defend it.
Can just imagine some of the councillors saying "Yeah but I saw a 15 year old at school get picked up by a 19 year old in a Corsa".
Probably been spending too much time with that fella who ran Rochdale council.
Can just imagine some of the councillors saying "Yeah but I saw a 15 year old at school get picked up by a 19 year old in a Corsa".
Probably been spending too much time with that fella who ran Rochdale council.
Earlsdon_Skyblue1
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Cool with what? That you don't have any counter arguments against both the rapists, and the fact you are an apologist for their crimes?
You still haven't said a word about them.
Pathetically screaming for the admins to shut me down for calling you out speaks volumes about you. It isn't going to work anymore, neither is calling those racist for highlighting these crimes.
You've shown yourself up even more since the news of this inquiry has come out. Considerably more than I thought you would. The question is, why? Do you have something to hide yourself?
You say nothing I've said will have an effect, but it clearly is. These responses are absolutely desperate.
Grendel
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Grooming gangs report author says word ‘Pakistani’ was ‘tippexed out’ of child’s file
Ignoring ethnicity of grooming gang perpetrators gives racists ‘more ammunition’, says Baroness Casey
www.independent.co.uk
tisza
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Report does say on nearly all the research under "ethnicity" that the data should be treated with caution or in some instances does not distinguish between groups and individuals.
mmttww
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I'd hope anyone convicted gets the longest sentence possible. If it's shown that people in authority covered anything up, I'd hope for the same thing. If people didn't act as they should because they were more conscious of discussing race than prosecuting people or protecting victims, that's a massive issue that needs addressing.
I want Jay's recommendations to be implemented as quickly and effectively as they can be. I think Starmer is weak and that new report avoids him being seen to give in to political pressure. I don't want a new enquiry to slow down the problems being fixed that we've known about for years. Victims groups are worried it will.
If there's reason to believe a new enquiry will uncover more crimes that can be prosecuted incl. people in authority that were culpable, and still get things fixed at pace, fine. I don't see it, because we're years into this and haven't made any decent progress with anything from the first one. I hope I'm wrong about it.
If people would come out and say what they want done with people of Pakistani heritage beyond offenders being prosecuted, that would make the discussion a lot easier. Lots of inference, not a lot of substance. It's fair to ask people to explain their position on that. I reckon that about covers it.
fatso
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Is objecting to the cover up of sexual grooming a "far right" issue now?
Surely every right minded individual would be appalled by the issue, not just those of a far right persuasion.
Tommy Robinson was warning about this 15 years ago, and got demonised by the press and politicians as a result.
I'd suggest it's the liberal left that should feel ashamed for their actions.
No, I was talking about the far right probably leaping on this and tarring everyone from the Pakistani community with the same brush.