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[Grendel]

What happened in Rotherham is not in dispute, nor are the wider statistics. But for a national inquiry, I’d expect to see nationwide evidence of the police dismissing some demographics and pursuing others.

Your wording suggests that you won’t believe it if that evidence isn’t found.

Why don't you ask to give your expert views to the inquiry? You can say you worked with children as can @shmmeee - I am sure your expertise will get the respect and validation it deserves.

 

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[Brighton Sky Blue]

Why don't you ask to give your expert views to the inquiry? You can say you worked with children as can @shmmeee - I am sure your expertise will get the respect and validation it deserves.

It’s clear you have already decided what the findings are, so save them some time and tell them what to put in the report.

What if it finds that there is a broader problem with the police not investigating these crimes properly regardless of demographic?

 

[Sky Blue Pete]

Do you have data on numbers and % of criminals deported? As things stand

The number of people awaiting deportation has gone up 4.7k in 3 years. It’s an ever growing list which suggests the rules aren’t working as intended. It’s one thing issuing someone with deportation orders, it’s another thing to actually remove them.

Absolutely true

 

[SBT]

It’s a scandal. Not only did establishment know about it, they gaslit the public by insisting that white perpetrators were the problem and therefore, any focus on other ethnic group meant you were racist and didn’t actually care about victims.

Incidents like this really does call into question the UK’s immigration policies post-1997. If our society fragments into community of communities, that’s not good. Different cultures have different values and what happens if this becomes a source of conflict?

You and I agree that it is a scandal. Where we differ is that you think it is THE scandal. And your second paragraph illustrates why that is. Your priorities are clear.

 

[SBT]

Douglas Carswell wants to deport all offenders. Which, find me an ordinary person who doesn’t want to deport violent criminals?

Are we sure about that?

 

[chiefdave]

Are we sure about that?

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Is this both genuine and not missing context? Surely can’t be suggest anyone who happens to be Pakistani is removed from the country?

 

[Ccfcisparks]

Is this both genuine and not missing context? Surely can’t be suggest anyone who happens to be Pakistani is removed from the country?

Fake news I reckon

 

[tisza]

Are we sure about that?

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going to be a load of police knocking on his door.

 

[Ccfcisparks]

going to be a load of police knocking on his door.

rightly so

 

[Sky Blue Pete]

It’s clear you have already decided what the findings are, so save them some time and tell them what to put in the report.

What if it finds that there is a broader problem with the police not investigating these crimes properly regardless of demographic?

That’s already true though isn’t it 2% of the sexual crimes reach conviction!

Think it’s a huge injustice that’s been waiting to happen and this has made things a whole lot worse as mucca is articulating well

 

[SBT]

Is this both genuine and not missing context? Surely can’t be suggest anyone who happens to be Pakistani is removed from the country?

Original link below for “context”

 

[Grendel]

Original link below for “context”

Douglas Carswell isn’t even a politician anymore. It’s hardly a gotcha moment is it.

 

[Earlsdon_Skyblue1]

You might try to wrap your head around the idea that branding people apologists for paedophiles isn't likely keep the discussion 'on topic'.

and if you've got examples of people insinuating this, post them, because I've not seen anything even approaching that being said.

Some of the stuff you're saying is pretty unnerving tbh. It's not a mile off making direct threats to people, and I'm not the first to spot that.

What I've said is unnerving? Good.

You have consistently got angry at anyone raising this topic. Not once have you said anything against the men who have been committing these crimes.

'What you said won't keep it on topic'. In reality you don't want it on topic. You don't want to discuss it because you are a massive pussy who doesn't have the balls to talk openly about it.

Sounds like you are getting scared about threats too. In reality you've sold yourself out as someone more interested in those raising the topic, than those who have commited the crimes. You've sold yourself out as a grooming gang apologist and you are rightly being pulled up on it.

I've noticed a few of your allies have shut up now, which has just about said it all. This is going full tilt now.

Shit yourself more. We are coming for you.

 

[Mucca Mad Boys]

You and I agree that it is a scandal. Where we differ is that you think it is THE scandal. And your second paragraph illustrates why that is. Your priorities are clear.

Yes, the priorities are clear.

If the police weren’t afraid of going after ethnic minorities for crimes in the first place, there wouldn’t be a scandal as such. It’s the fact that the authorities knew what was going on but decided not to act and to then deny there was any issues altogether.

If you allow criminals to commit crimes uninhibited, it’s obviously going to embolden perpetrators to commit more crime.

If they nipped this in the bud in the 90s/00s and the statistics probably don’t become so lopsided and therefore, no longer a ‘gift to racists’.

Are we sure about that?

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I’ll give you the benefit of the doubt and assume you’ve only seen the clipped tweet.



He’s said what he said RT’ing the pie chart from the Casey Report. Then links the criteria for deportation of migrants in an article he wrote in the Telegraph.

Which is, to summarise:
1. Migrants with a negative fiscal impact
2. Criminals
3. Revocation of citizenship and deportation for anyone who; i) advocates replacing British law with sharia law ii) expresses support for terrorist organisations and iii) promotes violence against apostates, dissenters, free speech advocates or minorities

It’s not a blanket mass deportation of any and every Pakistani as you present.

 

[Ccfcisparks]

Yes, the priorities are clear.

If the police weren’t afraid of going after ethnic minorities for crimes in the first place, there wouldn’t be a scandal as such. It’s the fact that the authorities knew what was going on but decided not to act and to then deny there was any issues altogether.

If you allow criminals to commit crimes uninhibited, it’s obviously going to embolden perpetrators to commit more crime.

If they nipped this in the bud in the 90s/00s and the statistics probably don’t become so lopsided and therefore, no longer a ‘gift to racists’.



I’ll give you the benefit of the doubt and assume you’ve only seen the clipped tweet.



He’s said what he said RT’ing the pie chart from the Casey Report. Then links the criteria for deportation of migrants in an article he wrote in the Telegraph.

Which is, to summarise:
1. Migrants with a negative fiscal impact
2. Criminals
3. Revocation of citizenship and deportation for anyone who; i) advocates replacing British law with sharia law ii) expresses support for terrorist organisations and iii) promotes violence against apostates, dissenters, free speech advocates or minorities

It’s not a blanket mass deportation of any and every Pakistani as you present.

He literally says "Mass deportation of pakistanis from Britain"

Doesnt even say "Mass deportation of pakistani CRIMINALS from Britain"

 

[SBT]

He’s said what he said RT’ing the pie chart from the Casey Report. Then links the criteria for deportation of migrants in an article he wrote in the Telegraph.

Which is, to summarise:
1. Migrants with a negative fiscal impact
2. Criminals
3. Revocation of citizenship and deportation for anyone who; i) advocates replacing British law with sharia law ii) expresses support for terrorist organisations and iii) promotes violence against apostates, dissenters, free speech advocates or minorities

It’s not a blanket mass deportation of any and every Pakistani as you present.

Well the person he quoted at least had the foresight and decency to make clear it was only Pakistani paedophiles he wanted to deport. I’m sure his failure to do so was just an oversight and not an implicit endorsement of something more extreme.

Now I really have to go as my dog is going ballistic for some reason.

 

[Ccfcisparks]

Well the person he quoted at least had the foresight and decency to make clear it was only Pakistani paedophiles he wanted to deport. I’m sure his failure to do so was just an oversight and not an implicit endorsement of something more extreme.

Now I really have to go as my dog is going ballistic for some reason.

Im glad he is able to tap into the mind of Douglas Carswell to explain what hes thinking when sending a message.

I am grateful I dont have that ability.

 

[SBT]

the criteria for deportation of migrants in an article he wrote in the Telegraph.

Which is, to summarise:
1. Migrants with a negative fiscal impact
2. Criminals
3. Revocation of citizenship and deportation for anyone who; i) advocates replacing British law with sharia law ii) expresses support for terrorist organisations and iii) promotes violence against apostates, dissenters, free speech advocates or minorities

Out of interest, are there any other British people you think we should deport for holding objectionable views or for having a “negative fiscal impact” or is it just the ones with Pakistani origin?

 

[SBT]

Douglas Carswell isn’t even a politician anymore. It’s hardly a gotcha moment is it.

lol

 

[SBT]

If the police weren’t afraid of going after ethnic minorities for crimes in the first place, there wouldn’t be a scandal as such.

And there you have it, folks!

 

[Earlsdon_Skyblue1]

Douglas Carswell isn’t even a politician anymore. It’s hardly a gotcha moment is it.

Ignore him.

He's probably the biggest loser on this forum. Posting at peak weekend times consistently, which is evidently because he has no social life. Wife wants to leave him, but projects that onto others. Creating alt accounts which he pretends to argue with, to make it look like he isn't connected with them. We all know the truth though.

A grooming gang apologist as well, which is the bottom line here. It's just worse that he comes up as an ally for the Muslim community as if it is because he's compassionate. Really, just another pussy who doesn't have the balls to call this shit out.

There are some genuine virgins on here, but this is even worse as he obviously does have some degree of intelligence. He thinks that means he should be respected by the wider audience, but anyone with an ounce of common sense is looking at this with pity. It would almost be funny if it wasn't so sad.

 

[SBT]

[COCAINE] has entered the chat

 

[Earlsdon_Skyblue1]

Maybe im misunderstanding this. Is it saying 1 of 16 men arrested are of Pakistani origin?

or 1 of 16 Pakistani men have been arrested on suspicion in Rotherham?

They didn't collect data in every area, 2/3rds roughly, but where they did, Pakistani men were overrepresented in the crime figures by 1450%.

I would encourage you to read the Casey report. It is a long read, about 200 pages, but it says a lot.

Unfortunately some of the apologists on here either haven't read it, or still want to pretend it isn't an issue.

 

[SBT]

He's probably the biggest loser on this forum. Posting at peak weekend times consistently, which is evidently because he has no social life. Wife wants to leave him, but projects that onto others.

Unfortunately it’s my newborn son that means I currently have no social life, but on the plus side it sounds like he might be deported soon.

 

[Ccfcisparks]

They didn't collect data in every area, 2/3rds roughly, but where they did, Pakistani men were overrepresented in the crime figures by 1450%.

I would encourage you to read the Casey report. It is a long read, about 200 pages, but it says a lot.

Unfortunately some of the apologists on here either haven't read it, or still want to pretend it isn't an issue.

Yes will give it a read. Seems interesting.

Tarring everyone with the same brush is wrong, but it’s clear theirs an issue in that community with sexual crimes, which doesn’t surprise me based on what their book teaches

 

[Sky Blue Pete]

Original link below for “context”

Course he can and these bastards who’ve committed despicable crimes and those wankers who turned a blind eye have caused a massive issue for their communities

 

[Mucca Mad Boys]

Out of interest, are there any other British people you think we should deport for holding objectionable views or for having a “negative fiscal impact” or is it just the ones with Pakistani origin?

I’ve made it clear in previous posts that I’m in favour of having a Denmark style policy where all non-UK residents have a public benefit test is just sensible. As a country, we want the best, highest calibre people coming to the country. Anyone who is not self-sufficient or cannot speak English, ought to be deported and this isn’t a controversial viewpoint.

Particularly our left wing contributors love to cite Denmark for being a happy, egalitarian country with high quality public services. Its immigration and integration policies have also been described as ‘far right’ by some if you go far back enough.

Their political establishment made a simple decision: if the electorate wants lower migration, give it to them. It’s removed anxieties in their society and immigration is a non-issue in Denmark now.

 

[Sky Blue Pete]

They didn't collect data in every area, 2/3rds roughly, but where they did, Pakistani men were overrepresented in the crime figures by 1450%.

I would encourage you to read the Casey report. It is a long read, about 200 pages, but it says a lot.

Unfortunately some of the apologists on here either haven't read it, or still want to pretend it isn't an issue.

The report left the government with no alternative . It’s an excellent piece of work full of facts and evidence dispassionately presented and soberly laying out the damage done to so many vulnerable children

 

[Mucca Mad Boys]

And there you have it, folks!

That’s literally the basis of the report…

 

[Mucca Mad Boys]

The report left the government with no alternative . It’s an excellent piece of work full of facts and evidence dispassionately presented and soberly laying out the damage done to so many vulnerable children

Which begs the question why Keir Starmer and top Labour grandees dismissed the issue as ‘far right dog whistling’…

Had the government took up a national inquiry from Day 1, they could’ve made the Tories look v silly for not getting a grip on the issue. Yet, the government voted down the motion in parliament, gaslit the public they were jumping on the ‘far right’ bandwagon all to then do a U-turn and have the inquiry anyway.

 

[SBT]

That’s literally the basis of the report…

The Casey Report? It makes 12 recommendations, only one of which explicitly refers to the question of ethnicity. But if you want to claim that’s the only one that matters, be my guest.

 

[Brighton Sky Blue]

That’s already true though isn’t it 2% of the sexual crimes reach conviction!

Think it’s a huge injustice that’s been waiting to happen and this has made things a whole lot worse as mucca is articulating well

My gut feeling is that this is less a scandal based on race, and more one based on class. Look at the comments on the victims of Peter Sutcliffe at the time and how they differed in seriousness depending on the ‘reputation’ of the victim.

 

[Grendel]

My gut feeling is that this is less a scandal based on race, and more one based on class. Look at the comments on the victims of Peter Sutcliffe at the time and how they differed in seriousness depending on the ‘reputation’ of the victim.

In this instance all the victims are one race and the criminals another aren't they?

 

[Grendel]

Unfortunately it’s my newborn son that means I currently have no social life, but on the plus side it sounds like he might be deported soon.

Why would he be deported? Are you married to a Pakastani man? To be fair that would make some sense.

 

[tisza]

Which begs the question why Keir Starmer and top Labour grandees dismissed the issue as ‘far right dog whistling’…

Had the government took up a national inquiry from Day 1, they could’ve made the Tories look v silly for not getting a grip on the issue. Yet, the government voted down the motion in parliament, gaslit the public they were jumping on the ‘far right’ bandwagon all to then do a U-turn and have the inquiry anyway.

Who was head of CPS 2008-2013? Who didn't want to prosecute the Rochdale case before Nafir Afzal went ahead anyway?