Safe standing consultation

[MalcSB]

First image shows capacity with current segregation - 30,370, about 1,000 of which are on the corporate balcony. So far attendance has averaged 24,778 so over 5,500 unsold seats.

The second image is the layout for the Harry Styles concert. Frasers won’t want seating capacity for concerts to be reduced by safe standing areas in the south stand.

 

[MalcSB]

Apparently it’s to do with safely leaving the stadium. Weirdly it only seems to apply to us.

Perhaps the stadium is just a shit design in a shit location, trying to be a multipurpose facility rather than just a sporting arena.

 

[slowpoke]

How many does the current away end hold ?

 

[pusbccfc]

First image shows capacity with current segregation - 30,370, about 1,000 of which are on the corporate balcony. So far attendance has averaged 24,778 so over 5,500 unsold seats.

The second image is the layout for the Harry Styles concert. Frasers won’t want seating capacity for concerts to be reduced by safe standing areas in the south stand.

The south stand is not used for concerts.

Plus, there are plenty of stadiums which have safe standing and hold concerts. Most of the Tottenham end has safe standing and was used for the Beyonce concert.

 

[pusbccfc]

How many does the current away end hold ?

3000 with the current segregation. 4500 overall.

 

[bigfatronssba]

First image shows capacity with current segregation - 30,370, about 1,000 of which are on the corporate balcony. So far attendance has averaged 24,778 so over 5,500 unsold seats.

The second image is the layout for the Harry Styles concert. Frasers won’t want seating capacity for concerts to be reduced by safe standing areas in the south stand.

That shows maximum home capacity (with current segregation) being 25,300.
Corporate makes up 3,000 of that.
Meaning maximum home capacity is 22,300 standard tickets.
Current home average non corporate is about 21,500.

Meaning we’re very close to selling out with current segregation.

It needs looking at now so that if we have a decent end to the season we don’t again have the debacle of a 28k “sell out”

 

[pusbccfc]

That shows maximum home capacity (with current segregation) being 25,300.
Corporate makes up 3,000 of that.
Meaning maximum home capacity is 22,300 standard tickets.
Current home average non corporate is about 21,500.

Meaning we’re very close to selling out with current segregation.

It needs looking at now so that if we have a decent end to the season we don’t again have the debacle of a 28k “sell out”

The Birmingham game before Christmas will be interesting.

I have the impression they will be limited to 3000 due to their clowns last season and we will not be allowed any in the South Stand. It could, in theory, be a 25,000 'sell out'. Ridiculous.

 

[Donato's Truncheon]

SAG advises on how to keep crowd safe. The club is free to ignore this advice if it chooses.
However if that advice is ignored, and something did happen to spectators, the council could hit the club with a penalty.

Surely the club would be more worried that if someone got badly hurt after safety advice had been ignored, they could be taken to court for enormous sums, no matter how tenuous the circumstances.
The key to solving this is to make changes which take away the SAG's concerns. I assume that's the aim of this whole exercise? And if you manage to achieve that, there's the extra benefit of increased capacity + revenues.

 

[Donato's Truncheon]

Frasers won’t want seating capacity for concerts to be reduced by safe standing areas in the south stand.

I thought each safe standing space also included a seat which can be brought into use whenever required?

 

[wingy]

The south stand is not used for concerts.

Plus, there are plenty of stadiums which have safe standing and hold concerts. Most of the Tottenham end has safe standing and was used for the Beyonce concert.

Pretty sure it is for stage construction .

 

[Earlsdon_Skyblue1]

I can assure you I’m not a SAG member, related to one, a councillor etc.

I’m not in the least bit bothered about safe standing in blocks 13 to 16, row U upwards as per the proposal. If consulted on what is currently a fantasy proposal to move away supporters to the North Stand, I would object.

Edit - I am not ramming an agenda, I am opposing one.

There's you and one or two others with clear agendas. Posting history, regularity of posts on this thread, and some interestingly defensive comments about things like the SAG. It's too much of a giveaway.

 

[wingy]

I thought each safe standing space also included a seat which can be brought into use whenever required?

Think it involves seats being taken out for construction, possibly anchorage rtc

 

[wingy]

There's you and one or two others with clear agendas. Posting history, regularity of posts on this thread, and some interestingly defensive comments about things like the SAG. It's too much of a giveaway.

You don't think it's possible to be affected by this?

 

[Cov. Kids. Never. Quit]

What’s the crack with the balcony? Is that all unsold corporate?

Not sure but it’s a waste, I’d love to sit up there for a game.

You can sit up there, you've just got to pay about £150 for platinum dining.

Hence the empty seats.

 

[Earlsdon_Skyblue1]

You don't think it's possible to be affected by this?

Maybe, but if that was the case then the arguments would make sense. Those arguments should be listened to. I see it is two things for the most part however; Nimbys and those with some sort of agenda.

We've got empty seats and also a possibility of improving the stadium into something special with a standing area. I would encourage most people not to engage with those in the above two categories any further.

 

[Donato's Truncheon]

I thought each safe standing space also included a seat which can be brought into use whenever required?

Just checked this, and yes 'rail seats' allow each space to be used for either seating or standing as required (locked into one position or the other according to the event).
So safe standing needn't reduce seating capacity at all.

 

[MalcSB]

There's you and one or two others with clear agendas. Posting history, regularity of posts on this thread, and some interestingly defensive comments about things like the SAG. It's too much of a giveaway.

it could equally be said that you and a few others have a clear agenda which is at odds with the proposal which is being consulted on.

I post regularly on this thread because I disagree with the agenda some are heavily promoting. I am not against safe standing in Singers Corner and I agree, in principle, that the current level of segregation looks ridiculous. However the idiot at the Derby game and their response along with the pitch encroachers have done no one any favours.

Im not defending SAG, I’m trying to explain it as I understand it. Maybe the tour for the supporters group will help explain things and give an opportunity for an exchange of views.

 

[MalcSB]

Maybe, but if that was the case then the arguments would make sense. Those arguments should be listened to. I see it is two things for the most part however; Nimbys and those with some sort of agenda.

We've got empty seats and also a possibility of improving the stadium into something special with a standing area. I would encourage most people not to engage with those in the above two categories any further.

Have a standing area in Singers Corner, no objection from me.

If it is doable, reduce the segregation area, no objection from me. If it isn’t doable, give a full and frank explanation to us, the supporters.

Move the away supporters to the opposite corner in the South stand, then I will object.

 

[Brighton Sky Blue]

I will take 'SAG member posing undercover on SBT' for £10 please.

You've been ramming this very strange agenda and watching this thread like a hawk. You've jumped on any suggestions of moving the away fans and aren't keen on safe standing either. These latest posts seem a bit too revealing. I am deeply suspicious!

This is going to end with someone waiting outside the Anecdote with boxing gloves isn’t it?

 

[Donato's Truncheon]

Move the away supporters to the opposite corner in the South stand, then I will object.

Did you mean the North Stand?

 

[bigfatronssba]

Surely the club would be more worried that if someone got badly hurt after safety advice had been ignored, they could be taken to court for enormous sums, no matter how tenuous the circumstances.
The key to solving this is to make changes which take away the SAG's concerns. I assume that's the aim of this whole exercise? And if you manage to achieve that, there's the extra benefit of increased capacity + revenues.

Well that is exactly it. If someone did get hurt and it was because the club went against SAG advice then they would be potentially liable.
If the club follow the advice, then they can never be in that situation

However you have to remember that SAG advice will always be geared towards absolute maximum safety (these are the sort of people that would have motorway speed limits of 20mph if they could get away with it)
The club will also be getting financial advice telling them to ignore all this safety stuff. As they will only be concerned with maximising profits (or specifically in our case, minimising losses).

It is for the management of the club and arena to decide the balance between safety and profit.

 

[MalcSB]

Did you mean the North Stand?

Yes, silly Me.

 

[MalcSB]

Well that is exactly it. If someone did get hurt and it was because the club went against SAG advice then they would be potentially liable.
If the club follow the advice, then they can never be in that situation

However you have to remember that SAG advice will always be geared towards absolute maximum safety (these are the sort of people that would have motorway speed limits of 20mph if they could get away with it)
The club will also be getting financial advice telling them to ignore all this safety stuff. As they will only be concerned with maximising profits (or specifically in our case, minimising losses).

It is for the management of the club and arena to decide the balance between safety and profit.

I think club will be taking a risk: benefit approach. While seats elsewhere ( other than corporate) remain unsold, ignoring all this safety stuff puts the club at risk for no benefit. If 3,000 people were being denied tickets, that balance obviously changes and gives the club some ammunition to use against SAG.

 

[Donato's Truncheon]

However you have to remember that SAG advice will always be geared towards absolute maximum safety (these are the sort of people that would have motorway speed limits of 20mph if they could get away with it)

They are a chicken SAG.

 

[bigfatronssba]

I think club will be taking a risk: benefit approach. While seats elsewhere ( other than corporate) remain unsold, ignoring all this safety stuff puts the club at risk for no benefit. If 3,000 people were being denied tickets, that balance obviously changes and gives the club some ammunition to use against SAG.

I agree, but we’ve been getting close the last couple of games.
The number of non corporate empty seats, other than the segregation, has been in the hundreds.
What happens if there is an unusually large walk up? Do they have the ability to open one of those closed blocks at the drop of a hat?

 

[pusbccfc]

Think it involves seats being taken out for construction, possibly anchorage rtc

Rail seating requires very little more than metal rails being installed. I bet they could install it in Singer's Corner within a week or two.

 

[MalcSB]

Rail seating requires very little more than metal rails being installed. I bet they could install it in Singer's Corner within a week or two.

That would be good if they could do it during an international break. Not sure if they would have to wait for close season though.

 

[Brylowes]

You can sit up there, you've just got to pay about £150 for platinum dining.

Hence the empty seats.

So they’re selling seats that literally nobody ever purchases, you would have to question their business acumen based on that alone, why not charge £150,000 a ticket to sit up there ‘it would bring exactly the same money into the club as charging £150 fuck all!!!

 

[slowpoke]

I’m sure this issue has and still is being looked at, it’s worth money.
Not sure how many block 11 holds probably about 3k, fill it that’s nearly 2million quid over a season.
Having said that if safe standing is to be made available what is the point unless it attracts extra support. Last two fixtures it was about 21/22k home support needs a significant increase say 3/4k extra and regular home support to make it worthwhile imo and add to that they would have to open block 11.

 

[shmmeee]

Mental there’s no deals though. Surely they couldnoffer one off games with no service or anything beyond the seats at a knockdown price? Are they the ones that are hotel suites too? Some kind of deal must be possible or it’s just wasted space.

 

[Brylowes]

I’m sure this issue has and still is being looked at, it’s worth money.
Not sure how many block 11 holds probably about 3k, fill it that’s nearly 2million quid over a season.
Having said that if safe standing is to be made available what is the point unless it attracts extra support. Last two fixtures it was about 21/22k home support needs a significant increase say 3/4k extra and regular home support to make it worthwhile imo and add to that they would have to open block 11.

We haven’t got room for another 3/4K home supporter’s.

 

[ceetee]

Mental there’s no deals though. Surely they couldnoffer one off games with no service or anything beyond the seats at a knockdown price? Are they the ones that are hotel suites too? Some kind of deal must be possible or it’s just wasted space.

The view of the pitch from that balcony is excellent. It's a great waste for nobody to be there

 

[Brylowes]

First image shows capacity with current segregation - 30,370, about 1,000 of which are on the corporate balcony. So far attendance has averaged 24,778 so over 5,500 unsold seats.

The second image is the layout for the Harry Styles concert. Frasers won’t want seating capacity for concerts to be reduced by safe standing areas in the south stand.

So going by the first image, almost 5,000 are allocated for away fans, 2,300 are left empty for segregation, 1.000 on the balcony, so that’s over 8.000 seats not available to Coventry fans, so that would leave around 24,000 seats available to Coventry fans and we are averaging around 22,500, so about 1,500 seats unsold in the home areas, at least half of those will be in the main stand and out of financial reach of most fans.

 

[Brylowes]

First image shows capacity with current segregation - 30,370, about 1,000 of which are on the corporate balcony. So far attendance has averaged 24,778 so over 5,500 unsold seats.

The second image is the layout for the Harry Styles concert. Frasers won’t want seating capacity for concerts to be reduced by safe standing areas in the south stand.

The South Stand isn’t used at all for concerts is it

 

[MalcSB]

The South Stand isn’t used at all for concerts is it

I meant the North Stand, geography was never a strong point. If only they published in portrait rather than landscape. Thank god for satnav