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[Grendel]

Shows where having some principles leads you I suppose.

Not really he thought he’d win and should have done it two years previous

 

[chiefdave]

Interesting article for those that didn’t see the news yesterday's that U.K. GDP had actually recovered pre pandemic levels by end of 2021. The swing/upward revision of about 1.7% (which is huge over a two year period)

The UK actually fared much better after COVID than first thought - here's why it matters

The Office for National Statistics has made some pretty dramatic upward revisions for 2020 and 2021 - and negativity among investors, households and businesses about lacklustre UK growth may have been misguided.

news.sky.com

Obviously unrelated to the shitshow in various other areas at the moment (school closures, record hospital waiting lists, strikes etc) and I still feel that both us and a lot of the west are in for tough times in the short term but always nice to see some slightly more positive news.

A lot of this goes over my head tbh but there seems to be a suggestion this is largely down to growth in healthcare, presumably people going private because they can't get to see anyone on the NHS

There's also a note in there to say we have revised our figures before other countries so if other countries have a similar shift we'll move back to the bottom of the pile. Bit of a wait and see situation

 

[CCFCSteve]

A lot of this goes over my head tbh but there seems to be a suggestion this is largely down to growth in healthcare, presumably people going private because they can't get to see anyone on the NHS

There's also a note in there to say we have revised our figures before other countries so if other countries have a similar shift we'll move back to the bottom of the pile. Bit of a wait and see situation

Healthcare is one of the many areas…worth reading the article. I avoided comparisons with countries for the reasons you mention, depends on how their economy is made up though I guess. Either way growth/recovery was a lot stronger than originally thought which is positive news

 

[Deleted member 5849]

Agreed. I can’t see it being anything other than big unless there’s a dramatic economic turnaround between now and the election….or a monumental fuck up/implosion by Labour

The way our system's set up doesn't generally allow for enormous seat swings to make for a huge Labour majority though. Blair's third term had a low %age vote relative to many, but a comfortable majority in the commons. Pull that %age down and it has to go down *a lot* to get a massive swing to a massive Labour majority from a massive Conservative one.

There'll always be anomolies with popular local MPs who hang on despite the government being unpopular too... although admittedly as we stand I struggle to think of many locally popular Tories left(!)

 

[shmmeee]

Doesn’t Starmer have to beat Blair’s swing just to get a majority or something?

 

[dutchman]

Doesn’t Starmer have to beat Blair’s swing just to get a majority or something?

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Turning to the numbers, he says it will be a “massive ask” for Sir Keir to achieve the 12-point lead over the Tories that he will need to win the next general election, despite leading by 15 points in the polls at the moment.

 

[Sick Boy]

When it comes down to it I’m not convinced Labour will get a majority.

 

[CCFCSteve]

The way our system's set up doesn't generally allow for enormous seat swings to make for a huge Labour majority though. Blair's third term had a low %age vote relative to many, but a comfortable majority in the commons. Pull that %age down and it has to go down *a lot* to get a massive swing to a massive Labour majority from a massive Conservative one.

There'll always be anomolies with popular local MPs who hang on despite the government being unpopular too... although admittedly as we stand I struggle to think of many locally popular Tories left(!)

Agree with all that. Just thinking if people continue to feel poorer and don’t see various things working, that huge swing could happen. Add to that the ‘lending’ of red wall seats, Scotland etc. I think it’s possible….Starmer needs to come up with a clear positive vision for the country though

 

[fernandopartridge]

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Turning to the numbers, he says it will be a “massive ask” for Sir Keir to achieve the 12-point lead over the Tories that he will need to win the next general election, despite leading by 15 points in the polls at the moment.

Expectation management all of sudden

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[fernandopartridge]

Corbyn will be blamed for anything less than a majority

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[Ian1779]

Corbyn will be blamed for anything less than a majority

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Doubly so when he wins his seat as an independent.

 

[skybluetony176]

So Rishi Sunak as chancellor cut the budget for repairing concrete in schools by 50%. The only way this could be worse for him is if he was education secretary before he was chancellor.

 

[Brighton Sky Blue]

Another Starmer pledge. Might want to remind voters of what happened to the ones he made last time

Keir Starmer vows not to increase income tax for workers

In an exclusive interview with the Mirror as MPs return to Westminster, the Labour leader pledged that working people will not be hit by tax rises if he becomes Prime Minister

www.mirror.co.uk

 

[fernandopartridge]

Of course government spending into the economy does not improve the economy



Wouldn't be surprised if this clown loses her seat

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[Ian1779]

Of course government spending into the economy does not improve the economy



Wouldn't be surprised if this clown loses her seat

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Bet she doesn’t care about the state of the economy when the pay off for ex MP’s goes up after the next election.

She’s a ghoul.

 

[Brighton Sky Blue]

Oh dear

 

[duffer]

When it comes down to it I’m not convinced Labour will get a majority.

Unless Starmer starts saying what he is going to do, rather than what he isn't, he's not going to pull in many new votes.

I think he's just relying on traditional red-wall voters returning to the fold because he's not Corbyn, and Tory voters not bothering to turn out because they can see how crap the current lot are.

My personal opinion is that as a leader, the man is as spineless and chickenshit as Sunak. He wants power at any cost, but he's got no idea what to do with it.

He'll bend with the wind when he gets in, and the Tory press will slaughter him regardless. One term, and then later a relaxing and fruitful trip to the Lords beckons.

 

[duffer]

And that's if he gets a go at all, I should add...

 

[fernandopartridge]

Oh dear

Poor Gillian

 

[CCFCSteve]

So Rishi Sunak as chancellor cut the budget for repairing concrete in schools by 50%. The only way this could be worse for him is if he was education secretary before he was chancellor.

He’s had a stinker. This will hurt him. Cash before kids etc etc.

 

[dutchman]

He’s had a stinker. This will hurt him. Cash before kids etc etc.

He won't be around much longer, the knives were already out for him before this.

 

[skybluetony176]

He won't be around much longer, the knives were already out for him before this.

If they’re going to force him out he needs to call a GE before they get to do that.

 

[clint van damme]

If they’re going to force him out he needs to call a GE before they get to do that.

They can't change leader again without calling a GE can they?

 

[Grendel]

They can't change leader again without calling a GE can they?

No chance they’d do that anyway

 

[Sky Blue Pete]

Poor Gillian

Yep thanks for saying everything was safe until a day before 150 schools returned after a 6 week break!! Ffs
And there’s no solution suggested even suggesting today there’s gonna be hundreds more schools affected

 

[clint van damme]

Yep thanks for saying everything was safe until a day before 150 schools returned after a 6 week break!! Ffs
And there’s no solution suggested even suggesting today there’s gonna be hundreds more schools affected

I was more wound up by that runt Sunak trying to wriggle off the hook, what a total wanker he is.

 

[dutchman]

They can't change leader again without calling a GE can they?

Yes they can (every twelve months under current rules).

 

[fernandopartridge]

Yep thanks for saying everything was safe until a day before 150 schools returned after a 6 week break!! Ffs
And there’s no solution suggested even suggesting today there’s gonna be hundreds more schools affected

Yes but our media and the opposition under current leadership all dance to the tune behind these budget cuts. Surely under Labour's cast iron fiscal rules and no wealth tax the "constraints" are just the same.

The media btw failed to do any analysis at all of the probable real world impact of austerity, instead pretending that somehow the country would go bankrupt.

CUNTS

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[skybluetony176]

They can't change leader again without calling a GE can they?

I think it came to light when Truss was forced out that there’s no limit on the number of times they can replace their leader while in power. But it would be beyond ridiculous if they forced another new PM on the country without a GE. IIRC more of the UK population voted for the posties to go on strike than voted for Truss to be PM.

 

[Grendel]

I think it came to light when Truss was forced out that there’s no limit on the number of times they can replace their leader while in power. But it would be beyond ridiculous if they forced another new PM on the country without a GE. IIRC more of the UK population voted for the posties to go on strike than voted for Truss to be PM.

Even less voted for Gordon Brown when he took over

 

[skybluetony176]

Even less voted for Gordon Brown when he took over

Not really. Blair announced he wouldn’t run for a fourth term ahead of the 2005 GE and that he expected Brown to take over from him. Labour won a majority under the expectation that Brown would be PM in the next parliament. Sunak on the other hand…

 

[Sky Blue Pete]

Sunak saying to get of perspective and it’s only 1000 schools affected lol

Absolute knob

It’s we are sorry and doing all we can really nothing else needed

 

[Grendel]

Not really. Blair announced he wouldn’t run for a fourth term ahead of the 2005 GE and that he expected Brown to take over from him. Labour won a majority under the expectation that Brown would be PM in the next parliament. Sunak on the other hand…

Well yes really - it was a coronation - how about Sunny Jim Callaghan - who elected him? Who elected David Steele to prop him up as well.

 

[Ian1779]

Oh dear

WoN’t SoMeOnE tHiNk Of ThE pOoR sEcReTaRy Of StAtE….

 

[Brighton Sky Blue]

WoN’t SoMeOnE tHiNk Of ThE pOoR sEcReTaRy Of StAtE….

Seems she's unhappy at being asked hard questions by the mean journalist.