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skybluetony176

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Quite.

But Grendel thinks that's 'just rubbish' and apparently proved it's rubbish by posting the current numbers, without a comparison to previous years.
Here’s a better link that lets you look past the headline of what the biggest group is
 

Grendel

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👍🏻

I posted that to him yesterday and he ignored it.

Still is apparently.

You stated “Facebook is full of over 50 right wing posters”

80% of users are not over 50 and I can’t see a single bit of evidence to suggest the political statement at all

facebook is full of users under 50 and hasn’t Tony also said it’s not over 50’s growing but an older generation?
 

Brighton Sky Blue

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Dah looks like a spellbinding Sunday Lol.
Sun's out
Get out and about boy's!

Cricket match starts approx 1.30. BSB holes out to mid wicket approx 1.45, game over around 2.30, back in time to see who won in Grendel v PVA at 3
 
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PVA

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You stated “Facebook is full of over 50 right wing posters”

80% of users are not over 50 and I can’t see a single bit of evidence to suggest the political statement at all

facebook is full of users under 50 and hasn’t Tony also said it’s not over 50’s growing but an older generation?

Figure of speech old boy. Of course it isn't literally full of over 50s.

I said more older people are joining and more younger people are staying away.

This is a fact.
 

Grendel

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Figure of speech old boy. Of course it isn't literally full of over 50s.

I said more older people are joining and more younger people are staying away.

This is a fact.

You said over 50’s The Tonester says over 65’s - so ok that was nonsense then as it’s actually in a room of 10 only 2 are 50 plus

What about the other “fact” regarding right wing news items? Anything to support that at all?
 

clint van damme

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You’re just being a woke liberal leftie metropolitan who doesn’t understand the working man’s way of communicating.

In this article for Spiked mrtrench Brendan O’Neil argues...

I didn't realise the working class were an homogenous mass until Brendan pointed it out.
Must have a huge brain behind that massive forehead.
 

PVA

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Grendel has almost 60,000 posts. I don't think he's been outside for a long time.

I'm off to play golf. Have a good day all.
 

Grendel

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Grendel has almost 60,000 posts. I don't think he's been outside for a long time.

I'm off to play golf. Have a good day all.

Is Tony caddying? Make sure he remembers the bag
 

Grendel

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"A figure of speech is a word or phrase that entails an intentional deviation from ordinary language use in order to produce a rhetorical effect."

Happy to help.

Now go outside 👍🏻

I am outside - doesn’t your phone work outside? Does your Facebook account?
 

wingy

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If only George Osborne hadn't done away with those pesky Sure Start centre's?🤔

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Philosorapter

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There is always something indifferent when the Tories wheel out Liz Truss to speak for them.


 

Philosorapter

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So, a few things of interest over the weekend.

First one is Labour is due to lose around 60 red wall council seats this election according to YouGov.

 

Philosorapter

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Dudley probably going Conservative. Do the Tories have the 1/3 of voting powers in the executive of the WMCA if the Public return Andy Street that people in Coventry who vote Labour will lose their say with what happens in their own City with the WMCA?

And all this in what's left in the perceived Labour heartlands. Apparently a projected 9% swing to the Tories.

Imagine what it's going to be like elsewhere!

 
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mrtrench

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That poll can’t be correct. End of Starmer if it is.

Who else is there? At the very least, during those Corbyn years, you could see that Starmer is intelligent - unlike anyone else in that shadow front bench.

Look at the betting: the favourite isn't even an MP any more.

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Grendel

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Who else is there? At the very least, during those Corbyn years, you could see that Starmer is intelligent - unlike anyone else in that shadow front bench.

Look at the betting: the favourite isn't even an MP any more.

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Yvette Cooper would be ok but wouldn’t get through the Union door

It would be best if they got Raynor and Burgon in and moderates this time have courage to walk away
 

Philosorapter

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Not only were the people of Coventry not given the vote for the creation of the WMCA in a referendum but now could be losing all control over what happens in their own city with the WMCA.

Cheers Ann. The woman with the reverse Midas touch. Everything she touches turns to shit.
 
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mrtrench

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Yvette Cooper would be ok but wouldn’t get through the Union door

It would be best if they got Raynor and Burgon in and moderates this time have courage to walk away

I used to follow some of the Corbyn outriders on Twitter... they'll vote for Lavery if given the chance over the others, with Burgon next best. Or Pidcock, who is also no longer an MP. What they really want is Corbyn back but I don't think that will happen. I'm no longer there so don't have more recent information.

If they want a moderate, Burnham I guess, or Nandy or Cooper. I suspect that Cooper may be winding down though, since Balls left. Maybe not - we'll see.

The moderates will not walk away and neither will the outriders. The brand is too important - and they've both seen what happened to the Gang of Four and more recently the Change UK lot.
 

chiefdave

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Look at the betting: the favourite isn't even an MP any more.
My Mum, who is a Daily Mail reading Thatcher loving lifelong Conservative voter, thinks Burnham is fantastic. Not entirely sure why to be honest.

Also thinks Sultana, who she didn't vote for, is the best MP she's ever had. Funny business politics.
 

shmmeee

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Sultana is the latest rumour for who they’re going to dredge up from the talent puddle to challenge Starmer. Which should tell you how serious any of this is.
 

skybluetony176

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You said over 50’s The Tonester says over 65’s - so ok that was nonsense then as it’s actually in a room of 10 only 2 are 50 plus

What about the other “fact” regarding right wing news items? Anything to support that at all?
I didn’t say anything. I quoted actual facts. The only age groups where users of Facebook is growing is in the older age groups, especially the over 65’s. That’s actual facts.
 

skybluetony176

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Nandy would be the best leader for Labour. A clean candidate who opposed Corbyn but remained loyal to traditional Labour values. The Labour Party would be mad to not vote her the next leader.
 

mrtrench

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I didn’t say anything. I quoted actual facts. The only age groups where users of Facebook is growing is in the older age groups, especially the over 65’s. That’s actual facts.

OK, I'll bite. This is for other people, not you Tony, as you'll continue arguing the toss no matter how indefensible your corner.

1. It is a fact that use of FB is growing in older age groups.
2. It is a fact that the majority of people on FB are younger.
3. Only one of those facts is relevant to Ian's original position, which was in response to a statement that Social Media is dominated by the young. It's the second fact. Growth rates are irrelevant for conversations about the present demographic.


Let me try with a completely different situation, as a metaphor.

Most cars on the road in the UK are powered by petrol or diesel. It's only a tiny proportion of all cars on the road that are electric.

However, the proportion of new cars that are electric being sold each year is growing very quickly: 3.2% of all new cars in 2019 up to 10.7% in 2020. That doesn't change the fact that there are still many many more cars on the road that are powered by petrol and diesel than are electric.

You wouldn't argue, for example, that car pollution is a thing of the past, because the proportion of electric cars being sold each year is rising. Similarly, you cannot argue that most people on FB are old, because that demographic is rising... when you've already been shown that still, in aggregate, it's dominated by the young.

Got it?

Here's an exercise to hone your new skill:

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Reply with True, False or Cannot say:

Statement 1: It is possible that permanent staff who are on holiday can have their work carried out by students.
Statement 2: Students in summer employment are given the same paid holiday benefit as permanent staff.
Statement 3: Students are subject to the organisation’s standard disciplinary and grievance procedures.
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Good luck!
 

chiefdave

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The moderates will not walk away and neither will the outriders. The brand is too important - and they've both seen what happened to the Gang of Four and more recently the Change UK lot.
Think the opportunity for that type if split has passed. it needed the centrists on both the Conservative and Labour sides to join when the Change MPs left. With the situation with Corbyn along with the Johnson purge it was the perfect opportunity but the execution was shambolic and gave zero incentive for anyone else to join. But as their subsequent performance at the election showed FPTP isn't really a system that allows for three 'major' parties.

If the Labour vote does continue to decline there's no sign of any other party picking up the slack. Does anyone see a liberal surge to become a genuine contender because I certainly don't. I reckon if you stopped people in the street a decent percentage wouldn't even know who the current leader is.
 

mrtrench

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Think the opportunity for that type if split has passed. it needed the centrists on both the Conservative and Labour sides to join when the Change MPs left. With the situation with Corbyn along with the Johnson purge it was the perfect opportunity but the execution was shambolic and gave zero incentive for anyone else to join. But as their subsequent performance at the election showed FPTP isn't really a system that allows for three 'major' parties.

If the Labour vote does continue to decline there's no sign of any other party picking up the slack. Does anyone see a liberal surge to become a genuine contender because I certainly don't. I reckon if you stopped people in the street a decent percentage wouldn't even know who the current leader is.

I agree, I can't see the Lib Dems picking up the slack. It'll have to be a brand new party. Something similar to Macron in France (I know that hasn't panned out well for him in terms of popularity - but he still got elected).
 

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