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Sky_Blue_Dreamer

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Part of me thinks he wanted out in 2019 and agreed to annihilation to achieve it

Why would he willingly agree to get battered and leave his legacy as being an utter failure but worse enable another party worse than anything the centre/centre right of Labour could be to have power for five years and put the party in such a position it'd be a struggle to get into a winnable position before the next GE just so he'd get to leave?

Now, maybe he wasn't expecting it to be as bad as it was because Johnson is a buffoon (although he didn't factor in he's a charismatic buffoon) who Labour supporters surely couldn't support him but it's still a stupid plan.

I think it's far more likely he misjudged his ability to win and where allegiances would fall Labour/Brexit strongholds.
 

Sky_Blue_Dreamer

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Not really at all. I’m not saying it’s anything to do with justifying elements of our response (which I’ve already indicated has been lacking in areas), I’m saying let’s not just accept/condone China’s behaviour.

My original comment was due to language Shmmeee used to play down their conduct. I didn’t agree with it. ‘Slow to admit’ is not really the same as covering up, intentionally lying and allowing it to spread to other countries before acknowledging it/admitting it (sharing what you know about it before it’s too late). Not to mention then trying to blame other countries for it or what they did to their own citizens who tried to disclose it.

Feel free to read up on the timeline of events and then tell me ‘slow to admit it’ or ‘harping back to split milk’ are fair/suitable language to describe what happened with China...when 1m people worldwide have died from something they potentially could have done a lot more to stop sooner

Ps I appreciate that shmmeee probably didn’t mean it to sound blasé when considering the wider context of the comment

I agree overall. Being helpful after the horse has bolted doesn't matter when you've spent ages telling people not only was the gate locked but there was no gate to begin with.

Telling the police where you've buried the bodies after you've been found out doesn't excuse being a serial killer in any way at all.
 

Ian1779

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Why would he willingly agree to get battered and leave his legacy as being an utter failure but worse enable another party worse than anything the centre/centre right of Labour could be to have power for five years and put the party in such a position it'd be a struggle to get into a winnable position before the next GE just so he'd get to leave?

Now, maybe he wasn't expecting it to be as bad as it was because Johnson is a buffoon (although he didn't factor in he's a charismatic buffoon) who Labour supporters surely couldn't support him but it's still a stupid plan.

I think it's far more likely he misjudged his ability to win and where allegiances would fall Labour/Brexit strongholds.
I don’t know why he didn’t resist the push to a 2nd ref stance more. He and his advisers must have known that it was electoral suicide in the Northern constituencies.
 

clint van damme

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I don’t know why he didn’t resist the push to a 2nd ref stance more. He and his advisers must have known that it was electoral suicide in the Northern constituencies.

It was weak leadership to be honest. He should have told Starmer and his ilk to fuck off
 

Brighton Sky Blue

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Why would he willingly agree to get battered and leave his legacy as being an utter failure but worse enable another party worse than anything the centre/centre right of Labour could be to have power for five years and put the party in such a position it'd be a struggle to get into a winnable position before the next GE just so he'd get to leave?

Now, maybe he wasn't expecting it to be as bad as it was because Johnson is a buffoon (although he didn't factor in he's a charismatic buffoon) who Labour supporters surely couldn't support him but it's still a stupid plan.

I think it's far more likely he misjudged his ability to win and where allegiances would fall Labour/Brexit strongholds.

That wouldn’t explain why he was so apathetic in the campaign. I think he just wanted it over and didn’t care about getting wiped out.
 

wingy

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Another part of the jigsaw, hopefully enabling tailored early treatment that chips away at the overall percentage who have severe repercussions or worse .
Would be a case of early identification and intervention , how likely is that?

This Is Why Covid May Be Life-Threatening for Some Patients
Bloomberg ENG 25/09/2020 05:02
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(Bloomberg) — When two brothers fell critically ill with Covid-19 around the same time in March, their doctors were baffled. Both were young — 29 and 31 years old — and healthy. Yet within days they couldn’t breathe on their own and, tragically, one of them died.

Two weeks later, when a second pair of Covid-stricken brothers, both in their 20s, also appeared in the Netherlands, geneticists were called in to investigate. What they uncovered was a path leading from severe cases, genetic variations, and gender differences to a loss of immune function that may ultimately yield a new approach to treating thousands of coronavirus patients.

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The common thread in the research is the lack of a substance called interferon that helps orchestrate the body’s defense against viral pathogens and can be infused to treat conditions such as infectious hepatitis. Now, increasing evidence suggests that a significant minority of Covid-19 patients get very ill because of an impaired interferon response. Twin landmark studies published Thursday in the journal Science showed that insufficient interferon may lurk at a dangerous turning point in SARS-CoV-2 infections.

“It looks like this virus has one big trick,” said Shane Crotty, a professor in the Center for Infectious Disease and Vaccine Research at the La Jolla Institute for Immunology in California. “That big trick is to avoid the initial innate immune response for a significant period of time and, in particular, avoid an early type-1 interferon response.”

The work highlights the potential for interferon-based therapies to enlarge a slowly accumulating range of Covid-19 treatments. These include Gilead Sciences Inc.’s remdesivir and convalescent plasma, a component of the blood of recovered patients that may contain beneficial immune factors.

These treatments provide limited benefit and are typically used in very sick, hospitalized patients. The possibility that interferon may help some people is enticing because it appears most efficacious in the early stages of infection, when life-threatening respiratory failure could still be averted. Dozens of studies of interferon treatment are now recruiting Covid-19 patients.

“We think timing may be essential because it’s only in the very early phase one can really battle the virus particles and defend against infection,” said Alexander Hoischen, head of the genomic technologies and immuno-genomics group at Radboud University Medical Center in Nijmegen that analyzed the DNA of the two sets of brothers.

Being male, elderly, and having underlying medical conditions can all raise patients’ risk of life-threatening Covid-19. But even within these groups, disease severity varies widely. Scientists have speculated other factors influence susceptibility, including pre-existing levels of inflammation and immunity, the amount of virus that starts an infection, and patients’ genetic makeup.

New Nexus

Interferon’s role represents a new nexus in Covid-19’s complex interaction with the human immune system. Many patients suffer their worst complications because of an immune overreaction sometimes called a cytokine storm, and may benefit from dexamethasone, a cheap generic that calms these storms.

“It’s a very interesting disease because too little immunity is no good,” Anthony Fauci, director of the National Institute of Allergy and Infectious Diseases, said Sept. 10 in an on-line briefing for Massachusetts General Hospital staff. “Too much immunity is really, really bad.”

Whether sufficient interferon is available early or late in Covid-19 cases has a major bearing on disease severity, according to Yuen Kwok-Yung, chair of infectious diseases in the University of Hong Kong’s department of microbiology. Ideally, production of the antiviral substance would be triggered when immune cells encounter SARS-CoV-2 genetic material, stopping rapid viral reproduction inside the body and averting complications, he said.

“But the SARS-CoV-2 virus has anti-interferon genes which can stop or antagonize the production or effect of interferon,” said Yuen, who measured the effects in human lung tissue. If the interferon response is delayed and the amount of virus in the body peaks at a high level, other parts of the immune system will be “awakened.”

‘Really Disastrous’

That may trigger lung-injuring inflammation — collateral damage from an excessive immune reaction to the virus. “This is really disastrous,” he said.

Some people are known to have trouble fighting infections because they make antibodies that deactivate their own interferon. On Thursday, a global consortium of researchers said such immune reactions to the protein could account for life-threatening Covid-19 pneumonia in at least 2.6% of women and 12.5% of men.

Interferon-blocking antibodies appeared in 101 of 987 patients with severe disease, but none of 663 people with an asymptomatic or mild case, according to the study in Science. Patients over age 65 were also more likely than younger ones to have the autoimmune abnormality, which was “clinically silent until the patients were infected with SARS-CoV-2,” the group of more than 100 scientists said.

‘First Explanation’

“These findings provide a first explanation for the excess of men among patients with life-threatening Covid-19 and the increase in risk with age,” the researchers led by Jean-Laurent Casanova, head of Rockefeller University’s St. Giles Laboratory of Human Genetics of Infectious Diseases in New York said. “They also provide a means of identifying individuals at risk of developing life-threatening Covid-19.”

Genetic analysis of Covid-19 patients published in the same journal revealed two dozen gene mutations that had been “silent” until patients were infected by SARS-CoV-2. Researchers — many of them also involved in the antibody study — sequenced the genomes of 659 patients with life-threatening cases of the disease; 3.5% carried genetic variations that inhibit interferon production.

Read More: Understanding the Virus and Its Unanswered Questions: QuickTake

Those genetic flaws were similar to the ones that Hoischen and his colleagues from a dozen Dutch centers described in the Journal of the American Medical Association two months ago. The two sets of brothers had inherited a gene mutation that impaired the interferon response, keeping their immune systems from fighting the coronavirus until it had replicated for days.

In the Dutch men, the effects were cruel. The first, a young father from a town in the southern Netherlands, suffered shortness of breath, cough and fever at home for eight days before admission to intensive care. He was to spend 33 days in the hospital, 10 of them on a ventilator.

Raging Fever

His 29-year-old brother succumbed to Covid-19 in an intensive care unit in Rotterdam, after being treated for shock and a fever that soared to 44 degrees Celsius (111 degrees Fahrenheit). When doctors at Radboud learned of his younger sibling’s case, as well as a second pair — 21- and 23-year-old brothers also in respiratory failure — they went looking for a genetic cause.

They found a mutation that was carried on the X chromosome. Defects on this chromosome are more likely to affect men, who have only one copy, while women have two.

The men’s mutations are rare — occurring in 1 in 10,000 people — and an unlikely explanation for the vast majority of severe Covid-19 cases. But the studies in Science indicate that various forms of interferon dysfunction may underlie as many as 14% of critical patients, and that screening and targeted treatment might prevent severe illnesses and deaths.

“If we manage to get them into our university medical center early enough,” Hoischen said, “our clinicians may be able to treat them with interferons.”

Other ways of overcoming autoimmunity, like the removal of antibodies against interferon from the blood, called plasmapheresis, could also help patients. On the other hand, patients who produce antibodies against interferon shouldn’t donate blood products for treating other patients.

“The rare diseases and the more common forms of the same disease may converge, and we can learn from each other,” said Hoischen. “That’s the hope.
 

clint van damme

Well-Known Member
Another part of the jigsaw, hopefully enabling tailored early treatment that chips away at the overall percentage who have severe repercussions or worse .
Would be a case of early identification and intervention , how likely is that?

This Is Why Covid May Be Life-Threatening for Some Patients
Bloomberg ENG 25/09/2020 05:02
be38c637-dc99-31ad-91ba-0c4feaef2f69-1280x853.jpg

(Bloomberg) — When two brothers fell critically ill with Covid-19 around the same time in March, their doctors were baffled. Both were young — 29 and 31 years old — and healthy. Yet within days they couldn’t breathe on their own and, tragically, one of them died.

Two weeks later, when a second pair of Covid-stricken brothers, both in their 20s, also appeared in the Netherlands, geneticists were called in to investigate. What they uncovered was a path leading from severe cases, genetic variations, and gender differences to a loss of immune function that may ultimately yield a new approach to treating thousands of coronavirus patients.

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The common thread in the research is the lack of a substance called interferon that helps orchestrate the body’s defense against viral pathogens and can be infused to treat conditions such as infectious hepatitis. Now, increasing evidence suggests that a significant minority of Covid-19 patients get very ill because of an impaired interferon response. Twin landmark studies published Thursday in the journal Science showed that insufficient interferon may lurk at a dangerous turning point in SARS-CoV-2 infections.

“It looks like this virus has one big trick,” said Shane Crotty, a professor in the Center for Infectious Disease and Vaccine Research at the La Jolla Institute for Immunology in California. “That big trick is to avoid the initial innate immune response for a significant period of time and, in particular, avoid an early type-1 interferon response.”

The work highlights the potential for interferon-based therapies to enlarge a slowly accumulating range of Covid-19 treatments. These include Gilead Sciences Inc.’s remdesivir and convalescent plasma, a component of the blood of recovered patients that may contain beneficial immune factors.

These treatments provide limited benefit and are typically used in very sick, hospitalized patients. The possibility that interferon may help some people is enticing because it appears most efficacious in the early stages of infection, when life-threatening respiratory failure could still be averted. Dozens of studies of interferon treatment are now recruiting Covid-19 patients.

“We think timing may be essential because it’s only in the very early phase one can really battle the virus particles and defend against infection,” said Alexander Hoischen, head of the genomic technologies and immuno-genomics group at Radboud University Medical Center in Nijmegen that analyzed the DNA of the two sets of brothers.

Being male, elderly, and having underlying medical conditions can all raise patients’ risk of life-threatening Covid-19. But even within these groups, disease severity varies widely. Scientists have speculated other factors influence susceptibility, including pre-existing levels of inflammation and immunity, the amount of virus that starts an infection, and patients’ genetic makeup.

New Nexus

Interferon’s role represents a new nexus in Covid-19’s complex interaction with the human immune system. Many patients suffer their worst complications because of an immune overreaction sometimes called a cytokine storm, and may benefit from dexamethasone, a cheap generic that calms these storms.

“It’s a very interesting disease because too little immunity is no good,” Anthony Fauci, director of the National Institute of Allergy and Infectious Diseases, said Sept. 10 in an on-line briefing for Massachusetts General Hospital staff. “Too much immunity is really, really bad.”

Whether sufficient interferon is available early or late in Covid-19 cases has a major bearing on disease severity, according to Yuen Kwok-Yung, chair of infectious diseases in the University of Hong Kong’s department of microbiology. Ideally, production of the antiviral substance would be triggered when immune cells encounter SARS-CoV-2 genetic material, stopping rapid viral reproduction inside the body and averting complications, he said.

“But the SARS-CoV-2 virus has anti-interferon genes which can stop or antagonize the production or effect of interferon,” said Yuen, who measured the effects in human lung tissue. If the interferon response is delayed and the amount of virus in the body peaks at a high level, other parts of the immune system will be “awakened.”

‘Really Disastrous’

That may trigger lung-injuring inflammation — collateral damage from an excessive immune reaction to the virus. “This is really disastrous,” he said.

Some people are known to have trouble fighting infections because they make antibodies that deactivate their own interferon. On Thursday, a global consortium of researchers said such immune reactions to the protein could account for life-threatening Covid-19 pneumonia in at least 2.6% of women and 12.5% of men.

Interferon-blocking antibodies appeared in 101 of 987 patients with severe disease, but none of 663 people with an asymptomatic or mild case, according to the study in Science. Patients over age 65 were also more likely than younger ones to have the autoimmune abnormality, which was “clinically silent until the patients were infected with SARS-CoV-2,” the group of more than 100 scientists said.

‘First Explanation’

“These findings provide a first explanation for the excess of men among patients with life-threatening Covid-19 and the increase in risk with age,” the researchers led by Jean-Laurent Casanova, head of Rockefeller University’s St. Giles Laboratory of Human Genetics of Infectious Diseases in New York said. “They also provide a means of identifying individuals at risk of developing life-threatening Covid-19.”

Genetic analysis of Covid-19 patients published in the same journal revealed two dozen gene mutations that had been “silent” until patients were infected by SARS-CoV-2. Researchers — many of them also involved in the antibody study — sequenced the genomes of 659 patients with life-threatening cases of the disease; 3.5% carried genetic variations that inhibit interferon production.

Read More: Understanding the Virus and Its Unanswered Questions: QuickTake

Those genetic flaws were similar to the ones that Hoischen and his colleagues from a dozen Dutch centers described in the Journal of the American Medical Association two months ago. The two sets of brothers had inherited a gene mutation that impaired the interferon response, keeping their immune systems from fighting the coronavirus until it had replicated for days.

In the Dutch men, the effects were cruel. The first, a young father from a town in the southern Netherlands, suffered shortness of breath, cough and fever at home for eight days before admission to intensive care. He was to spend 33 days in the hospital, 10 of them on a ventilator.

Raging Fever

His 29-year-old brother succumbed to Covid-19 in an intensive care unit in Rotterdam, after being treated for shock and a fever that soared to 44 degrees Celsius (111 degrees Fahrenheit). When doctors at Radboud learned of his younger sibling’s case, as well as a second pair — 21- and 23-year-old brothers also in respiratory failure — they went looking for a genetic cause.

They found a mutation that was carried on the X chromosome. Defects on this chromosome are more likely to affect men, who have only one copy, while women have two.

The men’s mutations are rare — occurring in 1 in 10,000 people — and an unlikely explanation for the vast majority of severe Covid-19 cases. But the studies in Science indicate that various forms of interferon dysfunction may underlie as many as 14% of critical patients, and that screening and targeted treatment might prevent severe illnesses and deaths.

“If we manage to get them into our university medical center early enough,” Hoischen said, “our clinicians may be able to treat them with interferons.”

Other ways of overcoming autoimmunity, like the removal of antibodies against interferon from the blood, called plasmapheresis, could also help patients. On the other hand, patients who produce antibodies against interferon shouldn’t donate blood products for treating other patients.

“The rare diseases and the more common forms of the same disease may converge, and we can learn from each other,” said Hoischen. “That’s the hope.

interesting (and frightening) read.
 

wingy

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Thread's going way off topic lads .
There's at least two other threads where this discussion could take place .
Re the remain argument there was a window of influence where rescind remain could have occurred ,it was shunned .
The result and after effects of doing so could have led to all sorts of shenanigans, but the window was there.
 

chiefdave

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The French scheme is a lay off scheme and now is 12 weeks on and 12 weeks off you are not allowed to claim more or the employer has to pay back

the German scheme is a scheme aimed at manufacturers really and encourages people to actually work for periods of time.

Our scheme was far too Generous at the outset - the German scheme existed in 2008 so blame Blair and Brown if you like
Certainly not saying any scheme is perfect, just suggesting that other schemes seem preferable to ours. I'm not seeing any reason companies would take up our scheme when it means them paying more for every hour worked by an employee. Maybe you can explain the benefit to employers of the type of scheme being introduced here over others. Would be interested to read more about the French furlough scheme, everything I can pull up is talking about it being extended to cover 2 years, no mention of 12 weeks on 12 off.

I would tend to agree with you that our initial scheme was poorly planned and rushed out. But I don't believe that failures of government should be an excuse to abandon those in need. If you want to blame Blair and Brown then fine, although google suggests the German system was first introduced in 1910 so a bit before their time.

You certainly won't get any disagreement from me if you want to argue that successive governments have failed to provide a fit for purpose welfare system. Have yet to see anyone make an argument that you can dump a huge percentage of the workforce onto a maximum of £410 a month and them be able to survive. That surely is the key point. At any time, let alone in the middle of a crisis, the system should provide for those in need.
He doesnt understand the schemes

The German scheme doesn’t apply to many of the service sectors. Also it’s far more complex than he understands- it’s a lay off scheme and requires a working element so it’s an on off scheme - the change actually in this crises is to extend the support parameters so it covers payments for less hours covered - from 30% down to 10% - it’s not aimed at paying people not working at all during the period

Essentially it’s the same in France but that scheme requires a commitment to keep jobs after the claim period

Also many large employers don’t claim the full amount technically owed even from the initial calculation and pay a contribution - that’s why we’ve paid far more than Germany so far to workers in our scheme
Saying any scheme should only apply to certain sectors is a completely different discussion. If you want to make an argument as to why people in certain industries should be exempt from any scheme then I'd be interested to hear it. Tried to look up what you are referring to in Germany but all that comes up is stats on uptake in sectors such as ICT services, financial services, hospitality etc which would seem to imply service industries are eligible.

I've repeatedly stressed that I know very little about these schemes, you seem to be an expert on them but prefer to take shots rather than put forward an explanation as to why the scheme put forward by Sunak is better.

Not sure the fact that some employers pay a contribution voluntarily is really a solid argument against such schemes.
 
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Alan Dugdales Moustache

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Students - this talk about keeping them in lockdown over Christmas . Well, why can't they self isolate wherever they are during term for 2 weeks just before Xmas and then go home ? What am I missing here ?
 

chiefdave

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Students - this talk about keeping them in lockdown over Christmas . Well, why can't they self isolate wherever they are during term for 2 weeks just before Xmas and then go home ? What am I missing here ?
They couldn't stop them going out on the piss the first week back how the hell are they going to keep them in for two weeks over Xmas?
 

CCFCSteve

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Id struggle to knock the kids at uni. They’re low risk and mixing with others who are low risk. As long as they are considerate when mixing with high risk/heading back home (and wear masks at supermarkets etc) then It will be difficult to ask for much more.
 

wingy

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Id struggle to knock the kids at uni. They’re low risk and mixing with others who are low risk. As long as they are considerate when mixing with high risk/heading back home (and wear masks at supermarkets etc) then It will be difficult to ask for much more.
By that logic it may have been the perfect place to let it rip entirety on campus , vulnerable poeple aside , maybe a couple of weeks before term .
Something that could have been considered for schools as well . through the summer .
 

Brighton Sky Blue

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Students - this talk about keeping them in lockdown over Christmas . Well, why can't they self isolate wherever they are during term for 2 weeks just before Xmas and then go home ? What am I missing here ?

My view was that they should have brought back the students of practical subjects (sciences and medicine), and taught everyone else from home. Then you wouldn't have the accommodation problems we are seeing now
 

chiefdave

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Well that'll protect the students from the staff...

Seriously naive if you think any outbreak will remain with just the students.
Students I've seen interviewed on a couple of news bulletins today were moaning they were being told not to go shopping or go home to get their washing done, complaining they were running out of food and clean clothes. The chances of just keeping any outbreak just among students seems virtually zero.

Also seeing a lot of students complaining they have turned up at university as instructed to find out their courses have been moved to 100% online. Not happy as they feel they've been told to come back to ensure they pay for accommodation when thy could have stayed at home and been safer with no change to how their course is being delivered to them. Not to mention they aren't happy paying full fees for a course they're now getting entirely online.
 

shmmeee

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Students I've seen interviewed on a couple of news bulletins today were moaning they were being told not to go shopping or go home to get their washing done, complaining they were running out of food and clean clothes. The chances of just keeping any outbreak just among students seems virtually zero.

Also seeing a lot of students complaining they have turned up at university as instructed to find out their courses have been moved to 100% online. Not happy as they feel they've been told to come back to ensure they pay for accommodation when thy could have stayed at home and been safer with no change to how their course is being delivered to them. Not to mention they aren't happy paying full fees for a course they're now getting entirely online.

Entirely online is a joke. They could have bubbled For a lot of tutorials and maintained distancing/worn masks.
 

CCFCSteve

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Well that'll protect the students from the staff...

Seriously naive if you think any outbreak will remain with just the students.

Of course the outbreaks won’t remain with just students. The virus is out there in the wider world (it’s a pandemic). All I’m saying is can we realistically expect students to do more than be mindful of the higher risk people around them ?!
 

LastGarrison

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Let’s be honest the only reason any face to face teaching has been offered is to get bums on seats and generate income for universities.

This time though it isn’t about making money to build spangly new buildings it’s about trying to protect the future of the universities themselves and not generate mass redundancies and effect the futures of thousands of current students.
 

clint van damme

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what a pile of shite



better get Farage down to that beach pointing at some boats just in case the British public wake up and realise how much of their money's been spunked on this waste of time.
 

NorthernWisdom

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Or, again, make it so only those who do subjects that can’t be delivered remotely come in and the rest stay home.
That's a sane suggestion. That said at university it becomes a little more complex in that it's not just the obvious ones where this applies - what if you need to use the special collections, or something? Or maybe their media lab? There's no reason that just about all of it can't be remote, though, with just coming in on a need to basis... and actually schedule that in advance, so they can decide whether they want to move to the town / city, or are happier commuting in for those slots.

None of it's ideal, but it's better than the mass migration we've got now!
 

Brighton Sky Blue

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That's a sane suggestion. That said at university it becomes a little more complex in that it's not just the obvious ones where this applies - what if you need to use the special collections, or something? Or maybe their media lab? There's no reason that just about all of it can't be remote, though, with just coming in on a need to basis... and actually schedule that in advance, so they can decide whether they want to move to the town / city, or are happier commuting in for those slots.

None of it's ideal, but it's better than the mass migration we've got now!

I went to a university 7-8 hours away from home! I would have things like those collections digitised (which needs to happen anyway in case they were ever lost). Really it is just the practical subjects that need to be in to do things that have to be done on site. You could then legitimately create a bubble for those in that subject or year using the accommodation. Lectures would be streamable
 

NorthernWisdom

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I would have things like those collections digitised (which needs to happen anyway in case they were ever lost).
They're already digitising them. Estimate is it'd be about, oh, 25 years plus to digitise everything. And that's before they're added to. You can also tell more from the original document - paper, tears, things that can't be picked up, things that are missed by the camera (the binding etc.). There'll always be a place for the original.
 

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