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skybluetony176

skybluetony176

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If anyone doesn’t understand why this government has fucked up its handling of Coronavirus this interview sums it up in one question

A) they can’t own a problem, it’s always someone else’s fault. B) when it should become evident that they’re taking the wrong course of action they plough on regardless.

In April Apple told them that their world beating app wasn’t compatible with the vast majority of Apple devices yet they ploughed on regardless and now they’ve ditched it like they always were going to have to do its Apples fault.
 
shmmeee

shmmeee

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I’d trust Apple over a government full of chancers and bullshitters. One side’s tech experience is selling dodgy schemes under a fake name online and the other is the most successful tech company of all time with a record of user privacy.

Every tech person said this would happen from the off. I remember posting this to the usual tears from the righties on here almost two months ago: UK finds itself almost alone with centralized virus contact-tracing app that probably won't work well, asks for your location, may be illegal
 
chiefdave

chiefdave

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skybluetony176 said:
If anyone doesn’t understand why this government has fucked up its handling of Coronavirus this interview sums it up in one question

A) they can’t own a problem, it’s always someone else’s fault. B) when it should become evident that they’re taking the wrong course of action they plough on regardless.

In April Apple told them that their world beating app wasn’t compatible with the vast majority of Apple devices yet they ploughed on regardless and now they’ve ditched it like they always were going to have to do its Apples fault.
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He's been pushing that they were working on both apps at the same time despite the fact there's never been any mention of this, not even when the government was being questioned as to why they weren't using the available apple / google tech.

Also raises the question of why its not ready if they've been working on it for months, other countries have it up and running.
 
shmmeee

shmmeee

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chiefdave said:
He's been pushing that they were working on both apps at the same time despite the fact there's never been any mention of this, not even when the government was being questioned as to why they weren't using the available apple / google tech.

Also raises the question of why its not ready if they've been working on it for months, other countries have it up and running.
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They could literally take the German app off the shelf it’s open source. Anyone could get it running in a day or so.

Open-Source Project Corona-Warn-App
 
Sky_Blue_Dreamer

Sky_Blue_Dreamer

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skybluetony176 said:
If anyone doesn’t understand why this government has fucked up its handling of Coronavirus this interview sums it up in one question

A) they can’t own a problem, it’s always someone else’s fault. B) when it should become evident that they’re taking the wrong course of action they plough on regardless.

In April Apple told them that their world beating app wasn’t compatible with the vast majority of Apple devices yet they ploughed on regardless and now they’ve ditched it like they always were going to have to do its Apples fault.
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Agree entirely. You can't improve it you can't admit mistakes. Now you would hope that it's a public face to not be discredited but privately they realise they've made mistakes and need to learn from them. But the fact they keep on doing it suggests they're not even doing that. It's just not their fault and the blame lies elsewhere.

But that's what you get when you're part of a group that on the whole has never had to take responsibility for their actions or been particularly badly affected by them. Politics is just a game to them.

The incompetence is bad enough. The attempts to blame anyone else for their failings are just totally unacceptable. If you're not willing to take accountability for your actions maybe leadership and power isn't for you.
 
Sky_Blue_Dreamer

Sky_Blue_Dreamer

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shmmeee said:
I’d trust Apple over a government full of chancers and bullshitters. One side’s tech experience is selling dodgy schemes under a fake name online and the other is the most successful tech company of all time with a record of user privacy.

Every tech person said this would happen from the off. I remember posting this to the usual tears from the righties on here almost two months ago: UK finds itself almost alone with centralized virus contact-tracing app that probably won't work well, asks for your location, may be illegal
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On the tech issues of course it makes sense to trust the big tech company.

But when it comes to truth and trust and you find yourself easily believing a company that dodges tax and will use almost any means necessary to try and remove competition over a government then you know there is a major problem
 
Sky_Blue_Dreamer

Sky_Blue_Dreamer

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chiefdave said:
He's been pushing that they were working on both apps at the same time despite the fact there's never been any mention of this, not even when the government was being questioned as to why they weren't using the available apple / google tech.

Also raises the question of why its not ready if they've been working on it for months, other countries have it up and running.
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Ministers at the time even said they were working solely on the one system. It's on record. So they either lied then or are lying now.
 
shmmeee

shmmeee

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Sky_Blue_Dreamer said:
On the tech issues of course it makes sense to trust the big tech company.

But when it comes to truth and trust and you find yourself easily believing a company that dodges tax and will use almost any means necessary to try and remove competition over a government then you know there is a major problem
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Im a bit weird on the left. I don’t blame anyone for limiting their tax liability, I blame governments for not closing loop holes. Tax shouldn’t be an honour system.
 
Sky_Blue_Dreamer

Sky_Blue_Dreamer

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shmmeee said:
Im a bit weird on the left. I don’t blame anyone for limiting their tax liability, I blame governments for not closing loop holes. Tax shouldn’t be an honour system.
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I don't blame then either - it's a natural thing to do and everyone will pay as little as possible.

But I do get annoyed that they spend fortunes employing tax experts/financial advisors to avoid the tax when in the end it'd have ended up being roughly the same cost if they'd just taken the law in the spirit intended and paid the tax.

I also get annoyed about how they constantly harp on about convoluted tax laws and how they should be simplified when most of the time they're that convoluted because they had to add in specific caveats to close loopholes. And if you did simplify them they'd just take advantage again.

It's also how they're "shareholders deserve dividends/remuneration" but society that gives them the opportunity to make this money deserve nothing. Tax is a dirty word, dividends aren't. So maybe we need a rebrand. Dividends are shareholder tax and tax becomes a public dividend.

I understand that much of the problem with tax can be a cash issue to pay the bill and more needs to be done on making it less onerous (payment plans etc).
 
fernandopartridge

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BBC radio news not even reporting daily infections and deaths. Given the weekend is usually lower these numbers today are bad news

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SkyBlueDom26

SkyBlueDom26

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Hospital deaths 8 lower than this time last week, only a few more because they didn’t count care home ones last Sunday but they have this Sunday...
 
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wingy

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Caught a bit of Hancock on news with Ridge.
She asked about the numbers.of traced infections, around 4.5k I think .
ONS give figures of circa 4k per day.
He suggested 80% are symptomless ?
 
Skybluefaz

Skybluefaz

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chiefdave said:
Is it just from specific outbreaks they have traced? Not sure what that sort of increase in R number relates to in a real world situation. Could something like the meat factory outbreak account for it?
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The meat factory thing is a worry, we've had our own outbreaks in meat factories, I wonder how long the virus can live on the meat and whether it was all traced and destroyed or already on the shelves?
 
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