Coronavirus Thread (Off Topic, Politics) (29 Viewers)

[clint van damme]

And what?

what does it matter, their job is to take difficult decisions and get them right, they've failed.

 

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[David O'Day]

Let’s say you’re right - and you took this course of action - you’d be sending half of Whitehall to prison, as well as the PR departments for every political party.

The day a Government gets brave is the day it starts to tell the truth.... and we all know how unlikely that is.

That's the most batshit post grenners has ever made.

Wow

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[Brighton Sky Blue]

That's the most batshit post grenners has ever made.

Wow

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10 years for repeating a spurious claim about government meddling on social media

Nothing for wanting immigrants drowned

 

[David O'Day]

10 years for repeating a spurious claim about government meddling on social media

Nothing for wanting immigrants drowned

I know kids lost it

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[chiefdave]

Speaking of political parties misleading people on social media whatever happened that that report on Russian interference in the UK? Was supposedly just an administrative thing that stopped it being released before the election but still doesn't seem to be any sign of it.

 

[wingy]

Speaking of political parties misleading people on social media whatever happened that that report on Russian interference in the UK? Was supposedly just an administrative thing that stopped it being released before the election but still doesn't seem to be any sign of it.

Perfect time to bury it.
Who was that woman from the Blair era caught out doing that?

 

[Brighton Sky Blue]

I know kids lost it

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10 years at the moment is a maximum sentence for:

Possessing a firearm with intent to cause violence
Rioting
Making death threats
Indecent assault
Burglary with GBH

Fair point I think being stupid on Twitter falls into that bracket

 

[David O'Day]

10 years at the moment is a maximum sentence for:

Possessing a firearm with intent to cause violence
Rioting
Making death threats
Indecent assault
Burglary with GBH

Fair point I think being stupid on Twitter falls into that bracket

He would be up on a charge of that as well if posting rubbish online is an offence

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[Brighton Sky Blue]

He would be up on a charge of that as well if posting rubbish online is an offence

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'Repeat your full username for the jury'

'Grendel'

'Guilty of the murder of fictional Norse characters contrary to common law'

 

[David O'Day]

'Repeat your full username for the jury'

'Grendel'

'Guilty of the murder of fictional Norse characters contrary to common law'

Judge Beowulf is now in session

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[Sky Blue Pete]

Think we may have average of 600 deaths a day for a while

 

[wingy]

Think we may have average of 600 deaths a day for a while

Yeah or higher

 

[Ian1779]

Speaking of political parties misleading people on social media whatever happened that that report on Russian interference in the UK? Was supposedly just an administrative thing that stopped it being released before the election but still doesn't seem to be any sign of it.

Yeah - the current administration put a stop to it going live.

 

[clint van damme]

Yeah - the current administration put a stop to it going live.

given the US Senate report this week confirmed Russian interference in the 2016 US election I think we know why this one isn't being released.

 

[NorthernWisdom]

given the US Senate report this week confirmed Russian interference in the 2016 US election I think we know why this one isn't being released.

tbf, would you want it released now? good time to bury bad news!

 

[Sick Boy]

It’s unbelievable you and sick boy and Ian were accepting of this deranged cranks tweets - well actually it’s entirely believable

Quite a few more were as well to be fair, I’d imagine it’s your impact on us all over the years.

 

[Philosorapter]

Meanwhile in Wales, the national Government has reached new levels of awesomeness.

 

[Sick Boy]

No it isn’t. If they’d locked the borders against FOM regulations gigs he screaming racist bastards. You believed that nut job on twitter. Even if it was correct you’d have still screamed that they were a racist government. You want liberalism and not total government empowerment - if you seriously believe any ruling party would have taken the required action you are deluding yourself

Originally you were going on about having the right to go to a park and now you seem to claim to have been all on favour of closing the border? You’re making it up as you go along, again.
The fact is the government is weak and ineffective, when did they ban flights from China? Even now they’re more preoccupied about upsetting popular opinion rather than effectively managing the pandemic.

 

[Sky Blue Pete]

Meanwhile in Wales, the national Government has reached new levels of awesomeness.

Brilliant

 

[Ian1779]

Quite a few more were as well to be fair, I’d imagine it’s your impact on us all over the years.

Also the evidence of scores of ‘Bot’ accounts that the government have been using since the referendum might be the reason?

Not that G will acknowledge that...

 

[Grendel]

Originally you were going on about having the right to go to a park and now you seem to claim to have been all on favour of closing the border? You’re making it up as you go along, again.
The fact is the government is weak and ineffective, when did they ban flights from China? Even now they’re more preoccupied about upsetting popular opinion rather than effectively managing the pandemic.

when I have I mentioned parks?

If we’d banned flights in January to and from Italy you’d have been all over it like a rash

 

[Brighton Sky Blue]

Quite a few more were as well to be fair, I’d imagine it’s your impact on us all over the years.

At least you can admit a mistake unlike G who never has to my knowledge

 

[Sick Boy]

when I have I mentioned parks?

If we’d banned flights in January to and from Italy you’d have been all over it like a rash

You used to go on about having the right to go out to parks. Flights from China were banned here at the end of January, when were they banned to the UK?

 

[SeaSeeEffCee]

I see we're now at the point where Grendel is trying to start arguments based on a hypothetical stance that he imagines people would have taken over something that didn't happen.

 

[shmmeee]

The thing about that 128 NHS account tweet is most of the scepticism was from the left. Even on this thread it was me and NW saying it seemed dodgy then posting up another left wing person casting doubt on its veracity. The left may not be perfect but do tend to value truth and police their own borders.

The vast majority of proper criticism of Corbynite crankism was from the centre left as well. Whereas the centre right seems to be happy to either ignore or outright defend the loonier elements of their fringes.

 

[shmmeee]

I see we're now at the point where Grendel is trying to start arguments based on a hypothetical stance that he imagines people would have taken over something that didn't happen.

Standard. See also in defence of any government mistake: “it’d be worse under Labour!”

 

[David O'Day]

I see we're now at the point where Grendel is trying to start arguments based on a hypothetical stance that he imagines people would have taken over something that didn't happen.

It's great comedy

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[skybluetony176]

I see we're now at the point where Grendel is trying to start arguments based on a hypothetical stance that he imagines people would have taken over something that didn't happen.

Clambering over himself to make his imaginary point he also accidentally pointed out Boris is incompetent.

 

[CCFCSteve]

You used to go on about having the right to go out to parks. Flights from China were banned here at the end of January, when were they banned to the UK?

It’s a fair point Sick Boy and the US banned flights from China on 3 or 4 Feb (think we only banned flights from Wuhan), however, I’m not convinced it did either country much good as by then the virus was already in the respective countries

Hindsight’s a great thing but in reality from what I can see (I might be wrong) youve got to pretty much ban all flights/international travel at very early stage (or the world leaders all agree travel ban from the high risk areas). One example would be that there’s little point Italy banning flights from China if the rest of the EU doesn’t (with freedom of movement).

Once the pandemic is reasonably wide spread any partial travel bans (other than very high risk areas) probably have little effect.

The international coordination in response to the pandemic has been poor (don’t get me started on China and their initial suppression of information)

 

[skybluetony176]

I see we now want to be part of any new EU purchasing rounds. Clearly a political decision.

 

[Sky_Blue_Dreamer]

I doubt many would though. We’ve seen on here the promotion of a twitter crank who claimed the government made up NHS accounts to support herd immunity when a cursory piece of research would show he’s a nut job

No one will make these decisions now as they are terrified of the masses swallowing the twitter frenzy of utterly insane accusations. The person who made this ridiculous accusation should be put in prison for 10 years and anyone promoting the nonsense a hefty fine and warning of future conduct

Then governments may become brave again

While I agree about the making up NHS accounts thing if they brought in the prison sentences the Tory press office would have to change it's address to Wormwood Scrubs!

 

[CCFCSteve]

I see we now want to be part of any new EU purchasing rounds. Clearly a political decision.

It was a fuck up but as far as I’m aware hasn’t made any difference yet (I read earlier than none of the schemes previous order has been delivered yet). I reckon we expected to have sorted their own supply chains by now but they’re still not secure/certain (as everyone’s fighting over the same major bulk suppliers - I still can’t believe that our/other countries pandemic supply chain planning relies on international deliveries ?!!)

 

[Ian1779]

It’s a fair point Sick Boy and the US banned flights from China on 3 or 4 Feb (think we only banned flights from Wuhan), however, I’m not convinced it did either country much good as by then the virus was already in the respective countries

Hindsight’s a great thing but in reality from what I can see (I might be wrong) youve got to pretty much ban all flights/international travel at very early stage (or the world leaders all agree travel ban from the high risk areas). One example would be that there’s little point Italy banning flights from China if the rest of the EU doesn’t (with freedom of movement).

Once the pandemic is reasonably wide spread any partial travel bans (other than very high risk areas) probably have little effect.

The international coordination in response to the pandemic has been poor (don’t get me started on China and their initial suppression of information)

I get the point about travel bans being ineffective after the event. But fast forward a couple of months are we really going to allow unrestricted/unchecked travel when we may be most vulnerable to a second wave of infections? Do we really want people from a high-risk country (like the US which has absolutely gone to shit) potentially brining it back to these shores??

That’s the time when we need to restrict, screen and track very diligently.

 

[CCFCSteve]

I get the point about travel bans being ineffective after the event. But fast forward a couple of months are we really going to allow unrestricted/unchecked travel when we may be most vulnerable to a second wave of infections? Do we really want people from a high-risk country (like the US which has absolutely gone to shit) potentially brining it back to these shores??

That’s the time when we need to restrict, screen and track very diligently.

Agree Ian. I can’t see international travel getting fully back to normal until much later this year at the earliest anyway. It surely should be in our thinking when agreeing exit from lockdown strategy (no point us getting it under control and allowing travellers from high risk areas in).

However, do you allow travel from non high risk areas/countries with similar transmission rates to ourselves ?! My view is probably yes (as travel numbers will probably be significantly lower compared to a normal year) but then again, if those countries are allowing high risk travellers into their countries the problem remains.

tricky !

 

[BodicoteSkyBlue]

That's what I thought would be the case, on the news the other day they were saying they weren't which is why people were rushing to make millions more.

I can understand why gloves aren't but things that are material, just wash them properly and re-use.

I work in the industrial laundry industry, hospital scrubs, bed sheets, towels, bed curtains ect are collected daily. They’re taken away & laundered off-site in the vast majority of hospitals.
I know the Royal Devon & Exeter launder their own gowns ect & also Craigavon in Belfast. I’m sure there are other’s, but not many. A company called Elis behind I think Asda on the Whitley Rd wash local hospital linen.