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SkyBlueDom26

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No, you're really not.

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Sky_Blue_Dreamer

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Happy birthday Dom!

Enjoy the jelly and ice-cream and I hope the Boris-impersonator/clown doesn't disappoint ;)
 

Gazolba

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Sanders is beating Trump in every poll including in swing states
Those polls question around 40,000 people.
Unfortunately, there are about 325 million people in the USA.
 

Sky_Blue_Dreamer

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First heard about this guy a few years ago and said he'd end up dying in the process. Darwin Award nominee for sure, likely winner.
 

Sky_Blue_Dreamer

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Sanders is beating Trump in every poll including in swing states

I'd love that to happen but I just can't see the US as a whole being ready to elect someone as left wing as Bernie. Only other person I think I'd prefer more (but not running) is Michelle Obama. To see his reaction to being beaten by someone who is both black and female would be amazing.

Is the poll result because of the focus being more heavily on the Dem's at the moment?

I think Trump is likely to win, so if he didn't it'd be more of a pleasant surprise, and the one most likely to beat him is, IMO, Bloomberg. Cut from a similar cloth and far from ideal as a president, but every so slightly more agreeable and would be the better of two shit options. Don't think he'll get the nomination though.
 

Brighton Sky Blue

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I'd love that to happen but I just can't see the US as a whole being ready to elect someone as left wing as Bernie. Only other person I think I'd prefer more (but not running) is Michelle Obama. To see his reaction to being beaten by someone who is both black and female would be amazing.

Is the poll result because of the focus being more heavily on the Dem's at the moment?

I think Trump is likely to win, so if he didn't it'd be more of a pleasant surprise, and the one most likely to beat him is, IMO, Bloomberg. Cut from a similar cloth and far from ideal as a president, but every so slightly more agreeable and would be the better of two shit options. Don't think he'll get the nomination though.

He has done better than Trump in all but 3 of the last 50 national polls, and was polling ahead of him by double digits in 2016. Bloomberg is a thinly veiled Republican who has built up disastrous favourability ratings in record time. If he succeeds in buying the nomination he would be annihilated by Trump on the debate stage. Bernie's ideas are not too far left by any stretch when you look at how policies like single payer healthcare poll. Most of all, he would turn out voters far more effectively than one of the centrists.
 

Sky_Blue_Dreamer

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He has done better than Trump in all but 3 of the last 50 national polls, and was polling ahead of him by double digits in 2016. Bloomberg is a thinly veiled Republican who has built up disastrous favourability ratings in record time. If he succeeds in buying the nomination he would be annihilated by Trump on the debate stage. Bernie's ideas are not too far left by any stretch when you look at how policies like single payer healthcare poll. Most of all, he would turn out voters far more effectively than one of the centrists.

Overall Sanders isn't 'hard left' but he is a socialist and for much of America that is hardwired towards out and out capitalism he may as well be Che Geuvara, Karl Marx and Fidel Castro all rolled into one. Sure, in the more liberal coastal regions he'd do really well but much of middle/rural America would push more towards Trump IMO, esp when his plan and costing them are brought into the spotlight and once the word taxes are mentioned a lot are just programmed to reject it. Many accused Obama of being far too liberal and over here he'd be centre, so imagine what the likes of Fox News would portray Bernie as?

I'd love you to be right, and overall he may well win the popular vote, but I just can't see it happening with the way the electoral college is worked out.
 

Sky_Blue_Dreamer

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Although this is pedantic, I hate that people are using the term the Earth is round. That doesn't say it isn't flat - a circle is both round and flat.
 

Brighton Sky Blue

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Overall Sanders isn't 'hard left' but he is a socialist and for much of America that is hardwired towards out and out capitalism he may as well be Che Geuvara, Karl Marx and Fidel Castro all rolled into one. Sure, in the more liberal coastal regions he'd do really well but much of middle/rural America would push more towards Trump IMO, esp when his plan and costing them are brought into the spotlight and once the word taxes are mentioned a lot are just programmed to reject it. Many accused Obama of being far too liberal and over here he'd be centre, so imagine what the likes of Fox News would portray Bernie as?

I'd love you to be right, and overall he may well win the popular vote, but I just can't see it happening with the way the electoral college is worked out.

He's a social democrat offering a less socialist version of the NHS. He is outpolling Trump in the key states he needs to win back, i.e. in the mid-West, Pennsylvania and even Texas is looking close. The Republicans call any Democrat a communist. All he is doing is offering policies that are very popular with a majority of the American people and if you'd seen any of his events with FOX and apparently conservative audiences he has done very well indeed.

All of this of course ignores an even more basic point. The Democrats got the ultimate centrist candidate that they wanted in 2016, and got annihilated in the electoral college. Their centrists have also overseen the Republicans gaining majorities in the Senate, of state governorships and of state legislatures. And who beat Clinton? A celebrity who bragged about molesting women but who also sounded like an economic populist.
 

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