The EU: In, out, shake it all about.... (22 Viewers)

[Astute]

Id be more concerned about losing your right to retire in France with your family out there.

They have a right to a family life. And our local Marie wants us all to stay. The Brits do good things in the area the locals are not interested in. I have shown it ti you before but you called it lies.

Can't win with you.

 

[djr8369]

So there are no polls showing the opposite or remain nowhere near with the majority?

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There hasn’t been for over a year has there? I may be wrong.




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[SkyblueBazza]

Which posters defend Corbyn? Are you able to actually name them?

Search Grendel's posts referring to him & you will find many. Probably yourself included

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[djr8369]

Search Grendel's posts referring to him & you will find many. Probably yourself included

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Most of the answers to Grendel are 1) what does this have to do with Corbyn/why are you bringing Corbyn into it, and 2) I’m not a Corbyn fan/labour voter, stop bringing him up to distract from the point.

But I’m only talking from personal experience.


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[Sick Boy]

Search Grendel's posts referring to him & you will find many. Probably yourself included

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Maybe you too then?

 

[Sick Boy]

They have a right to a family life. And our local Marie wants us all to stay. The Brits do good things in the area the locals are not interested in. I have shown it ti you before but you called it lies.

Can't win with you.

Is that the same right to family life that the UK is going to withdraw from?

Unfortunately it’s not that simple and if I were you I’d be seriously concerned and looking to get over there ASAP - especially if you’re basing your right to retire on the right to family life.

 

[skybluetony176]

Are we going to have to delay Brexit while we wait for the Northern Ireland assembly to reconcile and reconvene? Given that Stormont has to approve part of Johnson’s deal.

 

[SkyblueBazza]

Maybe you too then?

Sometimes yes

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[SkyblueBazza]

Is that the same right to family life that the UK is going to withdraw from?

Unfortunately it’s not that simple and if I were you I’d be seriously concerned and looking to get over there ASAP - especially if you’re basing your right to retire on the right to family life.

Where does withdrawal of that right exist in anyone's argument in favour of leaving the EU?

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[Sick Boy]

Where does withdrawal of that right exist in anyone's argument in favour of leaving the EU?

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Yeah because no voters or politicians have ever ranted about the European Convention of Human Rights.

I’m sure the likes of Patel are going to ensure the UK keeps alignment on it.
UK Human Rights Act is at risk of repeal – here's why it should be protected

 

[SkyblueBazza]

Yeah because no voters or politicians have ever ranted about the European Convention of Human Rights.

I’m sure the likes of Patel are going to ensure the UK keeps alignment on it.
UK Human Rights Act is at risk of repeal – here's why it should be protected

Yes...there are many rights & many wrongs of said HR policy. There is nothing I have seen to suggest that the rights will be abolished &/or the wrongs promoted.

You are perhaps just fearing the unknown?

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[Sick Boy]

Yes...there are many rights & many wrongs of said HR policy. There is nothing I have seen to suggest that the rights will be abolished &/or the wrongs promoted.

You are perhaps just fearing the unknown?

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It won’t impact me so I’m not fearing anything, I’m just not so deluded to think that the likes of Patel are going to keep to it long term and that there have been no murmurings about moving away from them.

 

[SkyblueBazza]

It won’t impact me so I’m not fearing anything, I’m just not so deluded to think that the likes of Patel are going to keep to it long term and that there have been no murmurings about moving away from them.

All you fear is the moving from the rights. That indicates a sceptical/negative/doom scenario mindset.

What is to say that the only moving might be to better the rights & move away from the wrongs???

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[Sick Boy]

All you fear is the moving from the rights. That indicates a sceptical/negative/doom scenario mindset.

What is to say that the only moving might be to better the rights & move away from the wrongs???

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Wow can someone really be so naive?

I really must use the power of positive thinking to think that Patel, Rees Mogg etc wish to ensure the very best for the ordinary people and protect their rights and ignore books they’ve actually written.

 

[SkyblueBazza]

"We will respect the peace process & the Good Friday agreement"

Watch the clip...check Javid's body language...not sure there is full congruence there?!

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[SkyblueBazza]

Wow can someone really be so naive?

I really must use the power of positive thinking to think that Patel, Rees Mogg etc wish to ensure the very best for the ordinary people and protect their rights and ignore books they’ve actually written.

Well it is simply a power shift for you really isn't it?

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[Sick Boy]

Well it is simply a power shift for you really isn't it?

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What’s a power shift?

I’m genuinely shocked that you believe a government with the current cabinet is going to retain those same rights.

Don’t worry, I’m sure 4 of the authors of Britannica Unchained who are now in the cabinet have your best interests at heart - hahaha!

 

[SkyblueBazza]

What’s a power shift?

I’m genuinely shocked that you believe a government with the current cabinet is going to retain those same rights.

Don’t worry, I’m sure 4 of the authors of Britannica Unchained who are now in the cabinet have your best interests at heart - hahaha!

Well our beliefs differ. You think evil for anything that doesn't meet with ypur approval.

Have a nice life

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[Astute]

Sure. You said that tweet was cherry picking polls to favour Remain. As I demonstrated, that was bullshit.

Was it?

These were all over the place but heavily in favour of remain. But remain hasn't got a massive majority. On the average either 52% or 53%. So how can they be a true reflection?

And in your own words 52% is very close. Or is it very close when in favour of leave but massively different when in favour of remain?

It would be too close to call at them numbers. Wouldn't take much to swing it. And as I have always said what would happen if remain won by getting 52% of the vote? Oh yes we could say whatever the result it would be implemented. But what would happen if it was even closer than last time?

Why is it some can't see the problems ahead?

 

[Astute]

Is that the same right to family life that the UK is going to withdraw from?

Unfortunately it’s not that simple and if I were you I’d be seriously concerned and looking to get over there ASAP - especially if you’re basing your right to retire on the right to family life.

Present rules don't let me go yet. But as I have been married to my wife for a long time and am father to her children I would be able to join them. If I went there now I would have to work there. I would be on a much lower wage if I could find a job. But as long as I earn mire than the minimum needed I am allowed to work elsewhere.

If we were to get married at a later date I wouldn't have the automatic right to join them.

 

[Sick Boy]

Well our beliefs differ. You think evil for anything that doesn't meet with ypur approval.

Have a nice life

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pathetic and childish as ever

 

[djr8369]

Present rules don't let me go yet. But as I have been married to my wife for a long time and am father to her children I would be able to join them. If I went there now I would have to work there. I would be on a much lower wage if I could find a job. But as long as I earn mire than the minimum needed I am allowed to work elsewhere.

If we were to get married at a later date I wouldn't have the automatic right to join them.

Would you be affected by changes in freedom of movement or is it entirely separate?


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[shmmeee]

Was it?

These were all over the place but heavily in favour of remain. But remain hasn't got a massive majority. On the average either 52% or 53%. So how can they be a true reflection?

And in your own words 52% is very close. Or is it very close when in favour of leave but massively different when in favour of remain?

It would be too close to call at them numbers. Wouldn't take much to swing it. And as I have always said what would happen if remain won by getting 52% of the vote? Oh yes we could say whatever the result it would be implemented. But what would happen if it was even closer than last time?

Why is it some can't see the problems ahead?

Mate. Stop. Take the L.

That post was accurate any not hiding and pro Leave polls.

 

[skybluetony176]

Would you be affected by changes in freedom of movement or is it entirely separate?


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This is the thing for astute and indeed EU citizens living in the U.K. I know someone very well who was born in an EU country but has spent pretty much their entire life in the U.K. they were only ever schooled in the U.K., went to university in the U.K. (paid for by the country of their birth also), only ever worked in the U.K., only ever paid taxes in the U.K., can only speak English, married to a Brit, raising a family in the U.K. yet they’ve had to apply for permanent rights of residence in the U.K. because of Brexit and the only confirmation they’ve yet had is an email stating that it’s permanent with a get out clause that it’s subject to a/the government not changing their mind so it’s not really water tight permanent. There’s another wind rush in the making here. Basically whatever astute thinks will be a permanent arrangement without the protection of EU membership he may well find out that the French government has the right to change its mind where non EU citizens are concerned.

 

[fernandopartridge]

This is the thing for astute and indeed EU citizens living in the U.K. I know someone very well who was born in an EU country but has spent pretty much their entire life in the U.K. they were only ever schooled in the U.K., went to university in the U.K. (paid for by the country of their birth also), only ever worked in the U.K., only ever paid taxes in the U.K., can only speak English, married to a Brit, raising a family in the U.K. yet they’ve had to apply for permanent rights of residence in the U.K. because of Brexit and the only confirmation they’ve yet had is an email stating that it’s permanent with a get out clause that it’s subject to a/the government not changing their mind so it’s not really water tight permanent. There’s another wind rush in the making here.

...and considering the building up of the anti Irish sentiment (trying to blame Ireland for no deal) who knows what'll come next for the many many irish citizens who live here....I wouldn't put anything past these lunatics

 

[SkyBlueDom26]

Boris Johnson gathers Cabinet after EU's Michel Barnier hits at Brexit plan | Daily Mail Online

EU look set to reject the new deal put forward then.... will be forever going back and forward!! Fair play to Boris for at least getting a majority of MP's

 

[djr8369]

...and considering the building up of the anti Irish sentiment (trying to blame Ireland for no deal) who knows what'll come next for the many many irish citizens who live here....I wouldn't put anything past these lunatics

I was telling my Dad about the risk no deal poses to my job a few months back (automotive industry), he pondered it for a few seconds before replying “once we’re out we’ll be able to get rid of the Irish gypsies”. I couldn’t even come up with a response. Unable to pay my mortgage but we might be rid of a few gypsies whose presence I’m largely unaware of.


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[djr8369]

Boris Johnson gathers Cabinet after EU's Michel Barnier hits at Brexit plan | Daily Mail Online

EU look set to reject the new deal put forward then.... will be forever going back and forward!! Fair play to Boris for at least getting a majority of MP's

But the majority of MPs thing is pure speculation and a moot point as the deal he’s proposed isn’t workable. At best it could be a jumping off point for further negotiations, if we were willing to extend to allow enough time for that to happen.


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[SkyBlueDom26]

But the majority of MPs thing is pure speculation and a moot point as the deal he’s proposed isn’t workable. At best it could be a jumping off point for further negotiations, if we were willing to extend to allow enough time for that to happen.


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Hopefully the EU will agree and not try to delay it any longer

 

[djr8369]

Hopefully the EU will agree and not try to delay it any longer

It’s not a realistic proposal they can agree to. Don’t fall into the governments trap.


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[SkyBlueDom26]

It’s not a realistic proposal they can agree to. Don’t fall into the governments trap.


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There needs to be flexibility from both sides

 

[djr8369]

There needs to be flexibility from both sides

The backstop was the flexibility.


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[SkyBlueDom26]

The backstop was the flexibility.


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It would trap us in the customs union.... only way it would work would be with a time limit

 

[djr8369]

It would trap us in the customs union.... only way it would work would be with a time limit

The only way to avoid a border is to keep NI in the CU. If there’s a time limit it’s not a backstop because once it ends there’s nothing in place. If they think they can pull off this new deal of elaborate customs checks at various points using technology then go with the backstop and once we can implement these alternative arrangements the backstop ends anyway.


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[CCFCSteve]

...and considering the building up of the anti Irish sentiment (trying to blame Ireland for no deal) who knows what'll come next for the many many irish citizens who live here....I wouldn't put anything past these lunatics

Bit dramatic Fernando. By all accounts he is at least trying to put forward an alternative solution that might get through parliament (however much the EU might not like it their/Mays deal has been reject three times so it needs to change !). I don’t believe the primary intention is just to shift the blame, although I do believe this is on both the EU and the governments minds.

I know it’s our decision to leave but this is a negotiation, why don’t the EU put forward an alternative that might work for them and get through parliament ?

The fact is that a No Deal is going to lead to far worse than the issues raised by the current proposal (Johnson’s new plan) for NI/Ireland so why keep searching for the perfect solution when the alternative is a shitstorm ?! This oh but this might happen, that might happen...FFS...all I know is in a No Deal it WILL happen so surely it’s about to start trying to find a solution rather than just saying ‘No, try again’ to pretty much everything.

The more I read and hear about the current mess in NI (non Brexit related) the more I think even without Brexit there’s trouble ahead. How the fuck can a parliament/assembly not sit for 2.5 years ????? Poor old Boris got a slatting for 2.5 weeks ; )

Ps and when I talk about a imperfect solution, Im saying we already live in an imperfect world. ‘What about smugglers ?’ So that doesn’t happen already...it’s what the police/customs teams are for ? ‘What about illegal migration’ - has anyone not heard and read about people trafficking and what’s happening across the channel ? The hard border is a major issue and threatens the peace process, the other issues could/should be manageable with some will and investment.