Oh Jeremy Corbyn (12 Viewers)

[NorthernWisdom]

Just in case Grendel's lurking too, I'll slip in my condemnation of Stalin and his murderous, genocidal ways too. Bit unfortunate we had to have the lefty murderous genocidal madman on our side in WW2 to fight the righty murderous genocidal madmen really!

 

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[NorthernWisdom]

What we do have to judge on is the Labour Party's manifesto under Corbyn, which was a Social Democratic manifesto, and not really at all radical, when it came down to it!

Rather than who's grave he's visited, that's a far more appropriate document to see what kind of Prime Minister he'd be, surely... and that manifesto would still not be for many.

I'd hope, however, the commitment to policy would be of more importance than where they've visited although I dunno, is everybody who's visited the British Museum Reading Room a closet Marxist really?

 

[clint van damme]

is everybody who's visited the British Museum Reading Room a closet Marxist really?

I was there last week so you never know! First time I'd been, really good museum (to go off topic a bit!).

 

[NorthernWisdom]

I was there last week so you never know! First time I'd been, really good museum (to go off topic a bit!).

Bet you didn't go to the reading room

Here's an exhibition for you anyway, to go back on topic!

The currency of communism

 

[Grendel]

It seems to be the rather simplistic way we play politics - split into 'left' and well... 'others' and then decide anyone with a left leaning outlook is a murderous communist!

(We won't even get into the debate as to how Stalin took a movement and corrupted it, as that would be rather boring really)

Well we can go into the debate if you like.

Lenin created the Red Terror. He introduced death camps for any opponent who disagreed with the communist ideology. Rehibilitation meant in reality torture and death. Families were torn apart and many women and children were executed at Lenin and Trotsky behest.

Any opposition was snuffed out - anti Semitic behaviour was actively encouraged and viewed as a sign of nationalism (perhaps this is the biggest attraction to Corbyn)

The economic worth declined by over 90% which was some achievement given the low base it started.

It’s impossible to calculate the extent of mass slaughter but some estimates go as high as 4 million - he opened nearly 100 death camps during his reign.

If you believe that to be the true sign of communism at its best then God help us.

 

[Grendel]

Just in case Grendel's lurking too, I'll slip in my condemnation of Stalin and his murderous, genocidal ways too. Bit unfortunate we had to have the lefty murderous genocidal madman on our side in WW2 to fight the righty murderous genocidal madmen really!

Strange how under Lenin murder, torture, rape and pillage is justifiable.

 

[Captain Dart]

What I want is a centrist Blair-like figure leading the party!

Centrist yes, Blair-like fucking NO!

 

[Brighton Sky Blue]

Strange how under Lenin murder, torture, rape and pillage is justifiable.

Strange how Mrs May arming war criminals and Salafists in Saudi Arabia is justifiable but Corbyn pointing out UVF crimes is demonic.

 

[Captain Dart]

Oh dear..

 

[Captain Dart]

Notice anything odd...

 

[martcov]

Notice anything odd...

Yes it is from May 2015.

 

[Grendel]

Yes it is from May 2015.

Anything else?

 

[wingy]

Notice anything odd...

It's a well attended event?
Is it In a Mosque?
Just guessing.

 

[Grendel]

It's a well attended event?
Is it In a Mosque?
Just guessing.

I think it might be the seating arrangements?

 

[martcov]

Anything else?

Someone is trying to make people angry?

 

[mrtrench]

Oh dear..

It's in the news today that Clive 'Get on your knees, bitch' Lewis has rejoined the shadow front bench.

 

[clint van damme]

Notice anything odd...

we're about to bail out another government appointed contarctor and no ones mentioning it?

 

[mrtrench]

UK Polling report has a page where you can see the number of seat won from parallel voting intentions percentages. You can put in your own numbers. It shows clearly why boundary changes are needed as they are unfair. Enter 42% Labour and 42% Conservative and Labour get a majority. Conservatives need 45% to Labour's 40% to get a majority.

UK Polling Report

 

[wingy]

So yes their religion and society is patriarchal.
As are many other religious groups.
It died out here largely after the reformation, think it went on much longer in Ireland
Question is who can change it and how to achieve that.

 

[clint van damme]

I think it might be the seating arrangements?

why is this on Corbyn thread?
Anyone watch House of Saud: Family t war the other night?

Presented plenty of evidence to prove the point me and others have been making on here for ages, you won't stop militant Islamists until you stop letting the Saudis fund the spread of Wahhabism, but while western leaders keep cosying up to their regime I can't see it happening anytime soon.

 

[Brighton Sky Blue]

why is this on Corbyn thread?
Anyone watch House of Saud: Family t war the other night?

Presented plenty of evidence to prove the point me and others have been making on here for ages, you won't stop militant Islamists until you stop letting the Saudis fund the spread of Wahhabism, but while western leaders keep cosying up to their regime I can't see it happening anytime soon.

David Cameron ordered an inquiry into these links at the behest of the Lib Dems, but it has been repeatedly stalled. No shit as to why.

 

[clint van damme]

David Cameron ordered an inquiry into these links at the behest of the Lib Dems, but it has been repeatedly stalled. No shit as to why.

can't think why

 

[Brighton Sky Blue]

can't think why

She was rebellious though-no head scarf.

 

[mrtrench]

Labour have replaced Ann Black as Head of Disciplinary Matters with Momentum Director Christine Shawcroft. On the very same day, it seems that Jared O'Mara has recovered from his long illness and is now fit to face his disciplinary investigation. I wonder if Keith Vaz has also recently recovered and will be returning to work soon?

 

[clint van damme]

Labour have replaced Ann Black as Head of Disciplinary Matters with Momentum Director Christine Shawcroft. On the very same day, it seems that Jared O'Mara has recovered from his long illness and is now fit to face his disciplinary investigation. I wonder if Keith Vaz has also recently recovered and will be returning to work soon?

they missed a trick to try and unite the warring factions within the party here and I think there is also an element of trying to get revenge for the 'left wing purge' of a few years back.

They should be focusing on their main purpose which is holding the tories to account for their inept running of the country instead of getting involved in all this infighting.

I have defended Corbyn a lot because some of the accusations thrown at him have been absurd and in some cases just plain bullshit but he is the party leader, this is 100% on him - he needs to sort it quickly.

Because with an incompetent government and toothless opposition you never know who might come along to fill the vacuum.

 

[mrtrench]

they missed a trick to try and unite the warring factions within the party here and I think there is also an element of trying to get revenge for the 'left wing purge' of a few years back.

They should be focusing on their main purpose which is holding the tories to account for their inept running of the country instead of getting involved in all this infighting.

I have defended Corbyn a lot because some of the accusations thrown at him have been absurd and in some cases just plain bullshit but he is the party leader, this is 100% on him - he needs to sort it quickly.

Because with an incompetent government and toothless opposition you never know who might come along to fill the vacuum.

Well, as you know, I think that 'you never know what might come along' is already here. Just before I left this discussion last time, someone stated that I was 'hysterical about Corbyn'. I'll dispute the word hysterical, because I don't do panic and screaming, but he's right that I am very deeply concerned about where this is going.

 

[clint van damme]

Well, as you know, I think that 'you never know what might come along' is already here. Just before I left this discussion last time, someone stated that I was 'hysterical about Corbyn'. I'll dispute the word hysterical, because I don't do panic and screaming, but he's right that I am very deeply concerned about where this is going.

well for me it will be the continued entrenchment of neo liberalism or more worryingly something to the right of that.
I think you may be referring to you worrying about how far to the left Labour goes, but it it does it will be even less electable than it is now.
Corbyn did well at the last election but for me he needed to do two things to continue the momentum, (no pun intended), make his position clear on Europe and hold out an olive branch to the centrists and blairites in the party and he's done neither.
Meanwhile captain May continues to steer the ship onto the rocks.

 

[Captain Dart]

they missed a trick to try and unite the warring factions within the party here and I think there is also an element of trying to get revenge for the 'left wing purge' of a few years back.

They should be focusing on their main purpose which is holding the tories to account for their inept running of the country instead of getting involved in all this infighting.

I have defended Corbyn a lot because some of the accusations thrown at him have been absurd and in some cases just plain bullshit but he is the party leader, this is 100% on him - he needs to sort it quickly.

Because with an incompetent government and toothless opposition you never know who might come along to fill the vacuum.

LOL, there is a purge underway,. "night of the long knives" will follow soon.

 

[clint van damme]

LOL, there is a purge underway,. "night of the long knives" will follow soon.

that's what I said, it's tit for tat. They should be focusing on being a proper opposition party. It's not difficult, it should be like shooting fish in a barrel with this lot.

 

[mrtrench]

He's not going to unite the party; he's not going to even try. He's going to entrench his position and Lansman et alia are only the start. This is a formula that the extreme left always follow.

I wish he weren't electable but I fear he is. If there were an election today Labour would win a majority, even if 42% of the population voted Conservative (see my other post about boundaries). Whilst there are videos around showing what he and McDonnell really want to do and what they believe, they've now stopped that and are on a full-scale attempt to persuade people that they are moderate Social Democrats. I wrote somewhere else on here something that Northern Wisdom objected to, but it wasn't intended to be inflammatory: he has the young who, generalising, don't have the knowledge or experience to know what they are voting for. He has a huge number of people who will vote Labour irrespective of their policies, many of whom also wouldn't understand the policies. And he has some people who believe in real socialism or think that it cannot be worse than capitalism. It looks like they add up to 42% of the population and I cannot see that changing anytime soon. If the Lords decide to reject the Brexit exit bill in autumn (and let's not forget that it is stuffed full of Liberal and Labour peers) then I've read that a General Election might need to be called.

A few days ago I researched the advisory committee of economists that McDonnell had put together to support his claim that he was fiscally responsible. Although it was filled with left-leaning economists I learned that it was disbanded in 2016 as they all quit. David Blanchflower said: "I advised Corbyn’s economics team to learn fast. They didn’t". Behind the mask, McDonnell hasn't changed one iota from the man that described some socialist activists giving people a 'good kicking' as 'the best of us'.

 

[Ian1779]

well for me it will be the continued entrenchment of neo liberalism or more worryingly something to the right of that.
I think you may be referring to you worrying about how far to the left Labour goes, but it it does it will be even less electable than it is now.
Corbyn did well at the last election but for me he needed to do two things to continue the momentum, (no pun intended), make his position clear on Europe and hold out an olive branch to the centrists and blairites in the party and he's done neither.
Meanwhile captain May continues to steer the ship onto the rocks.

You can lead a horse to water but you can't make it drink.

I agree about trying to engage the centrists, but they have to be willing to get involved as well - which a lot of them still won't do. Both need to do more to find common ground.

 

[clint van damme]

You can lead a horse to water but you can't make it drink.

I agree about trying to engage the centrists, but they have to be willing to get involved as well - which a lot of them still won't do. Both need to do more to find common ground.

Totally agree. Both sides have to remember what their main purpose is - to defeat the tories.
I've said it many times, the tories are equally divided but they can put it all to one side when it comes to elections.

 

[Ian1779]

IMO I feel the Blairites are worried this is the end of the gravy train.

 

[clint van damme]

He's not going to unite the party; he's not going to even try. He's going to entrench his position and Lansman et alia are only the start. This is a formula that the extreme left always follow.

I wish he weren't electable but I fear he is. If there were an election today Labour would win a majority, even if 42% of the population voted Conservative (see my other post about boundaries). Whilst there are videos around showing what he and McDonnell really want to do and what they believe, they've now stopped that and are on a full-scale attempt to persuade people that they are moderate Social Democrats. I wrote somewhere else on here something that Northern Wisdom objected to, but it wasn't intended to be inflammatory: he has the young who, generalising, don't have the knowledge or experience to know what they are voting for. He has a huge number of people who will vote Labour irrespective of their policies, many of whom also wouldn't understand the policies. And he has some people who believe in real socialism or think that it cannot be worse than capitalism. It looks like they add up to 42% of the population and I cannot see that changing anytime soon. If the Lords decide to reject the Brexit exit bill in autumn (and let's not forget that it is stuffed full of Liberal and Labour peers) then I've read that a General Election might need to be called.

A few days ago I researched the advisory committee of economists that McDonnell had put together to support his claim that he was fiscally responsible. Although it was filled with left-leaning economists I learned that it was disbanded in 2016 as they all quit. David Blanchflower said: "I advised Corbyn’s economics team to learn fast. They didn’t". Behind the mask, McDonnell hasn't changed one iota from the man that described some socialist activists giving people a 'good kicking' as 'the best of us'.

David Blanchflower puts the boot into Hammond and Brexit as well!

 

[mrtrench]

David Blanchflower puts the boot into Hammond and Brexit as well!

Small wonder as he's a left wing economist; he'd never be invited to be an economic adviser to the Conservatives would he? However to have a left wing economist say that the Labour party hasn't a clue is damning IMO.