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Grendel

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  • Jan 11, 2020
  • #141
Sick Boy said:
From what I’ve read she spends most Monday-Fridays there in the private quarters.
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She spends the whole of July to October in Scotland and the Two months then in winter at Sandringham. So half the year she’s never in London.
 

tisza

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  • Jan 11, 2020
  • #142
clint van damme said:
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Spot the difference
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is this from the same newspaper?
 

tisza

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  • Jan 11, 2020
  • #143
shmmeee said:
He’s not going to get the nominations so I think he’s just throwing stuff hoping something gets him attention now.

To be fair to him, I think looking at the constitution as a whole (HoL, royals, bill of rights etc) is needed and I think the Tories are planning some stuff. But all this “ask the people” stuff is vague nonsense to avoid coming up with a popular policy. And Brexit should’ve shown us direct democracy isn’t always a smart idea.
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wouldn't be surprised to see Johnson go after the Lords. Time has come for a massive look at the Lords. A 2nd house is fine to balance a democracy but not one that's based family, religious positions or basically "grace & favour appointments depending on who is in govt".
 

clint van damme

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  • Jan 11, 2020
  • #144
tisza said:
is this from the same newspaper?
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Supposed to be both from the Mail
 

Sick Boy

Super Moderator
  • Jan 11, 2020
  • #145
tisza said:
wouldn't be surprised to see Johnson go after the Lords. Time has come for a massive look at the Lords. A 2nd house is fine to balance a democracy but not one that's based family, religious positions or basically "grace & favour appointments depending on who is in govt".
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Look at it? He’s more likely to fill it with people sympathetic to him and his policies.
 

tisza

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  • Jan 11, 2020
  • #146
clint van damme said:
Supposed to be both from the Mail
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had a look - negative story the Mail, positive story the Express.
 

tisza

Well-Known Member
  • Jan 11, 2020
  • #147
Sick Boy said:
Look at it? He’s more likely to fill it with people sympathetic to him and his policies.
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Not so sure. A lot of critics on both sides of the Commons.
Also since the 2018 reform not so easy for a govt to do. 15 year terms for appointed peers, "2 out, 1 in". Aim was to get the number down to a cap of 600 members
 

Terry Gibson's perm

Well-Known Member
  • Jan 11, 2020
  • #148
tisza said:
Not so sure. A lot of critics on both sides of the Commons.
Also since the 2018 reform not so easy for a govt to do. 15 year terms for appointed peers, "2 out, 1 in". Aim was to get the number down to a cap of 600 members
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It’s a paid retirement village, if you had thirty and they all stay awake that will be fine
 

stupot07

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  • Jan 11, 2020
  • #149
OffenhamSkyBlue said:
Heard about this one on 5Live this morning. But some commentator said that everyone loved Meghan when they were dating, and to the wedding and beyond. It was only when they they started displaying self-destructive behaviour and that not in keeping with royal protocol that the proles turned against her.
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That's bollocks. The press were on her from the start. They met in July 2016, and just a few months later Harry release a statement condemning press treatment of her.

Meghan and Harry: a timeline of their highs, lows and media woes

Meghan and Harry: a timeline of their highs, lows and media woes

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OffenhamSkyBlue

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  • Jan 11, 2020
  • #150
Press yes, public opinion less so, apparently
 

clint van damme

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  • Jan 11, 2020
  • #151
What's this about old women brawling?
 
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OffenhamSkyBlue

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  • Jan 11, 2020
  • #152
I took it to mean at the City game!
 

clint van damme

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  • Jan 11, 2020
  • #153
OffenhamSkyBlue said:
I took it to mean at the City game!
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Mate, I've no idea how that ended up on this thread!!
 

shmmeee

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  • Jan 11, 2020
  • #154
clint van damme said:
What's this about old women brawling?
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Liz has a few at half time

 
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clint van damme

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  • Jan 11, 2020
  • #155
shmmeee said:
Liz has a few at half time

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Again, how my post ended up on this thread is a mystery.
I'm now on shots so fuck knows what other nonsense I'll be posting tonight.
 

Terry Gibson's perm

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  • Jan 12, 2020
  • #156
It looks like they want to be financially independent for the money coming in but slightly less independent for the costs going out. No posh school for the boy either home schooling is preferable
 

tisza

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  • Jan 12, 2020
  • #157
Terry Gibson's perm said:
It looks like they want to be financially independent for the money coming in but slightly less independent for the costs going out. No posh school for the boy either home schooling is preferable
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School the boy how they like. Don't think private education did much for Harry. Had to get special help to scrape 2 A levels.

This financial business is obviously heavily reliant on who they are hence the numerous trademarks they have registered.
Royal family want to keep her sweet. Let's face it any divorce from Harry will make this seem like a picnic. Books, exposés etc
 

shmmeee

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  • Jan 12, 2020
  • #158
tisza said:
School the boy how they like. Don't think private education did much for Harry. Had to get special help to scrape 2 A levels.

This financial business is obviously heavily reliant on who they are hence the numerous trademarks they have registered.
Royal family want to keep her sweet. Let's face it any divorce from Harry will make this seem like a picnic. Books, exposés etc
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Half of what you pay for at private school is “special help”. My first GF was privately educated and came out with grades she wasn’t capable of in a million years.
 

tisza

Well-Known Member
  • Jan 12, 2020
  • #159
shmmeee said:
Half of what you pay for at private school is “special help”. My first GF was privately educated and came out with grades she wasn’t capable of in a million years.
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Not sure how well that reflects on you if she needed "Special help" to get by
 

shmmeee

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  • Jan 12, 2020
  • #160
tisza said:
Not sure how well that reflects on you if she needed "Special help" to get by
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She was fit, but once I’d tried and failed to explain gravity for the tenth time I decided she wasn’t for me
 
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tisza

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  • Jan 12, 2020
  • #161
shmmeee said:
She was fit, but once I’d tried and failed to explain gravity for the tenth time I decided she wasn’t for me
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Oh that's just a sneaky way to get her on top
 
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Mucca Mad Boys

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  • Jan 12, 2020
  • #162
Grendel said:
The press have been largely supportive compared to others who have gone before. They want a rock star lifestyle and adulation with no criticism - it’s not tenable. Fly round the world and flaunt opulence and then lecture on the impact of flights on climate change and then look shocked at the vitriol - seriously
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Agreed.

A lot of people are keen to compare the press coverage of Megan compared to other royals. One example is about avocados with it being one of Kate’s favourite foods as well as Megan’s. With the coverage a lot more negative to Megan.

The difference isn’t ethnicity. The difference is that Megan and Harry will happily preach about climate change, whilst flying on 4 private jets in 11 days (including to a climate change summit). The impact of increased demand for avocados is causing a few issues such as deforestation and crime.

Then there’s stuff like raising their children ‘gender neutral’, stepping back from senior royal roles whilst wanting to keep their expensive security teams. Elizabeth II is a model constitutional monarch/royal family - they are to be seen and not heard in the public political realm.

Then, you’ve got this line about them wanting to ‘try’ to become ‘financially independent’ with their unbelievably privileged background is a bit of a slap to the face to millions of ordinary people.

They’ve been vocal, that’s fine. But, the press is always going to call out hypocrisy.
 
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Brighton Sky Blue

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  • Jan 12, 2020
  • #163
Mucca Mad Boys said:
Agreed.

A lot of people are keen to compare the press coverage of Megan compared to other royals. One example is about avocados with it being one of Kate’s favourite foods as well as Megan’s. With the coverage a lot more negative to Megan.

The difference isn’t ethnicity. The difference is that Megan and Harry will happily preach about climate change, whilst flying on 4 private jets in 11 days (including to a climate change summit). The impact of increased demand for avocados is causing a few issues such as deforestation and crime.

Then there’s stuff like raising their children ‘gender neutral’, stepping back from senior royal roles whilst wanting to keep their expensive security teams. Elizabeth II is a model constitutional monarch/royal family - they are to be seen and not heard in the public political realm.

Then, you’ve got this line about them wanting to ‘try’ to become ‘financially independent’ with their unbelievably privileged background is a bit of a slap to the face to millions of ordinary people.

They’ve been vocal, that’s fine. But, the press is always going to call out hypocrisy.
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The more baffling part is that people are apparently fine with millions going to people for doing jack shit until they cross a line
 
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Mucca Mad Boys

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  • Jan 12, 2020
  • #164
Brighton Sky Blue said:
The more baffling part is that people are apparently fine with millions going to people for doing jack shit until they cross a line
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I don’t disagree.

The monarchy has its uses, but I’m a republican by nature. In fact, before this and the Prince Andrew scandal, the monarchy was in a strong place. Now, with all this and with a potential king who has abused his his position in the past to influence policy as Prince. The monarchy is possibly about to face a crisis it may not recover from.

My favourite argument against a republic is ‘President Blair,’ ‘Johnson,’ ‘Cameron’ and so on... Yet, the archaic nature of the monarchy would mean had Prince Andrew had been born before Charles, our next king could’ve been associated with a paedophile.

Say what you want about any politician, left or right... at least they’re elected and can be sacked the next election.
 
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Brighton Sky Blue

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  • Jan 13, 2020
  • #165
Mucca Mad Boys said:
I don’t disagree.

The monarchy has its uses, but I’m a republican by nature. In fact, before this and the Prince Andrew scandal, the monarchy was in a strong place. Now, with all this and with a potential king who has abused his his position in the past to influence policy as Prince. The monarchy is possibly about to face a crisis it may not recover from.

My favourite argument against a republic is ‘President Blair,’ ‘Johnson,’ ‘Cameron’ and so on... Yet, the archaic nature of the monarchy would mean had Prince Andrew had been born before Charles, our next king could’ve been associated with a paedophile.

Say what you want about any politician, left or right... at least they’re elected and can be sacked the next election.
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If the monarch effectively has no power or influence they have no purpose

If they actually do have power or influence the role shouldn’t be inherited
 

Sky Blue Pete

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  • Jan 13, 2020
  • #166
Brighton Sky Blue said:
If the monarch effectively has no power or influence they have no purpose

If they actually do have power or influence the role shouldn’t be inherited
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Come the revolution
 

Grendel

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  • Jan 13, 2020
  • #167
Sky Blue Pete said:
Come the revolution
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even millennials in the latest poll voted overwhelmingly to keep its - its going nowhere
 
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Deleted member 5849

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  • Jan 13, 2020
  • #168
Grendel said:
even millennials in the latest poll voted overwhelmingly to keep its - its going nowhere
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Wouldn't take much to change public opinion, and events like Harry's current actions may not help. It's currently supported as much because the Queen's known how to play the role - she keeps out of meddling, says little at all and even less that's controversial, and does what she's told. Now tbf Charles (now he's older!) and William *seem* to have been brought up in that tradition, but a false move or two and the institution could rapidly shed its support.
 
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Grendel

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  • Jan 13, 2020
  • #169
Deleted member 5849 said:
Wouldn't take much to change public opinion, and events like Harry's current actions may not help. It's currently supported as much because the Queen's known how to play the role - she keeps out of meddling, says little at all and even less that's controversial, and does what she's told. Now tbf Charles (now he's older!) and William *seem* to have been brought up in that tradition, but a false move or two and the institution could rapidly shed its support.
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The poll was done after this incident
 
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Deleted member 5849

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  • Jan 13, 2020
  • #170
Grendel said:
The poll was done after this incident
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That's not what I said.
 

shmmeee

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  • Jan 13, 2020
  • #171
Deleted member 5849 said:
Wouldn't take much to change public opinion, and events like Harry's current actions may not help. It's currently supported as much because the Queen's known how to play the role - she keeps out of meddling, says little at all and even less that's controversial, and does what she's told. Now tbf Charles (now he's older!) and William *seem* to have been brought up in that tradition, but a false move or two and the institution could rapidly shed its support.
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Im a republican intellectually, if I was building a country from scratch I wouldn’t have a monarchy. But I think Liz has played it perfectly and is a unique character (war time experience, growing up without 24/7 media, etc). I can’t see anyone else managing to follow in her footsteps. It’s a Fergie at United situation I reckon.
 
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Grendel

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  • Jan 13, 2020
  • #172
Deleted member 5849 said:
That's not what I said.
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There will never be a desire for a republic. Politicians and the political process is very unpopular and very few people would desire another chamber and a President - it’s more a case of revising what you’ve got
 

tisza

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  • Jan 13, 2020
  • #173
Deleted member 5849 said:
Wouldn't take much to change public opinion, and events like Harry's current actions may not help. It's currently supported as much because the Queen's known how to play the role - she keeps out of meddling, says little at all and even less that's controversial, and does what she's told. Now tbf Charles (now he's older!) and William *seem* to have been brought up in that tradition, but a false move or two and the institution could rapidly shed its support.
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Harry & Megan "threat" to do some US chat show and attack the Royal family and they could well bury themselves.
They know Royal family aren't going to go on "Oprah" etc. to defend themselves.
"Wash their dirty laundry in public" and my money would be on a backlash from British public.
 

Nick

Administrator
  • Jan 13, 2020
  • #174
tisza said:
Harry & Megan "threat" to do some US chat show and attack the Royal family and they could well bury themselves.
They know Royal family aren't going to go on "Oprah" etc. to defend themselves.
"Wash their dirty laundry in public" and my money would be on a backlash from British public.
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Just don't get a taxi in Paris if they attack the royals.
 

Sky_Blue_Dreamer

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  • Jan 13, 2020
  • #175
OffenhamSkyBlue said:
Should the views of the readers be blamed on the publishers though?
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Maybe not, but the question needs to be asked why do so many people with that kind of mindset get drawn towards that publication? The presentation of the articles/columnists etc must appeal to them in some way.

Got an auntie who gets the Mail and is predominantly left wing (quite active in TU, animal cruelty, public services etc) but her immigration views are textbook Mail reader.
 
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