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Nick

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  • Oct 14, 2018
  • #106
Greggs said:
Who decides how much money we can spend each year?
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What's that got to do with them investing? The definition of investing is to put something in.

Do you think either Joy or Dermot do CCFC's accounts as well as scouting?
 

Greggs

Well-Known Member
  • Oct 14, 2018
  • #107
Nick said:
They haven't.

Money going from SISU's bank to CCFC's bank is them putting money in....

It's really that straight forward.
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FFS...... what is it then? Them withdrawing it!??????
 

Greggs

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  • Oct 14, 2018
  • #108
Nick said:
What's that got to do with them investing? The definition of investing is to put something in.

Do you think either Joy or Dermot do CCFC's accounts as well as scouting?
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If they have allowed us to spend more this year, then surely more has been invested??? Mate, this is giving me a headache now.
 

Nick

Administrator
  • Oct 14, 2018
  • #109
Greggs said:
FFS...... what is it then? Them withdrawing it!??????
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That's my point, it isn't money going from SISU's bank to CCFC's bank. So it isn't them investing it.....
 

Greggs

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  • Oct 14, 2018
  • #110
Nick said:
What's that got to do with them investing? The definition of investing is to put something in.

Do you think either Joy or Dermot do CCFC's accounts as well as scouting?
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I reckon you're better off supporting Man City
 
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Nick

Administrator
  • Oct 14, 2018
  • #111
Greggs said:
If they have allowed us to spend more this year, then surely more has been invested??? Mate, this is giving me a headache now.
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The club was allowed to spend more this year because more money was brought in to be available to spend.

Again, going back to the start. SISU didn't put money in to be spent. Therefore they didn't invest this year on the players. Which was my point.
 

Nick

Administrator
  • Oct 14, 2018
  • #112
Greggs said:
I reckon you're better off supporting Man City
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Why's that?
 

Greggs

Well-Known Member
  • Oct 14, 2018
  • #113
Nick said:
Why's that?
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Because you want mega rich owners, that spunk money. I'm quite happy with how we're performing at the moment, we also seem to have a good business model (buying young players with potential) Get the ground situation sorted and i think we're in for a bright future. I don't find the need to think of or bring up Sisu.
 

Nick

Administrator
  • Oct 14, 2018
  • #114
Greggs said:
Because you want mega rich owners, that spunk money. I'm quite happy with how we're performing at the moment, we also seem to have a good business model. Get the ground situation sorted and i think we're in for a bright future. I don't find the need to think of or bring up Sisu.
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Where have I said I want that?

Where did I bring up SISU?

Are you reading the same thread as me?
 

Greggs

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  • Oct 14, 2018
  • #115
Nick said:
Just to correct you, sisu haven't invested. Need to get away from any slight chance of people thinking that.
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Here
 

Greggs

Well-Known Member
  • Oct 14, 2018
  • #116
Nick said:
Where have I said I want that?

Where did I bring up SISU?

Are you reading the same thread as me?
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You seem to forget a lot of the stuff you've written. This was only 3 pages ago...
 

Nick

Administrator
  • Oct 14, 2018
  • #117
Greggs said:
Here
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No, it looks as if it is just me correcting him saying look at the money SISU have invested this season. I did quote his post.

1. It isn't me bringing SISU up (as I am replying to a post about them)
2. Where am I demanding loads of money to be thrown in? If anything, I have always been against loads of money being thrown in that the club can't afford.
 

Nick

Administrator
  • Oct 14, 2018
  • #118
Greggs said:
You seem to forget a lot of the stuff you've written. This was only 3 pages ago...
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I know full well what I wrote, you just seem to be struggling to read it.
 

Greggs

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  • Oct 14, 2018
  • #119
Nick said:
I know full well what I wrote, you just seem to be struggling to read it.
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hahahahahahaha
 

Greggs

Well-Known Member
  • Oct 14, 2018
  • #120
Nick said:
No, it looks as if it is just me correcting him saying look at the money SISU have invested this season. I did quote his post.

1. It isn't me bringing SISU up (as I am replying to a post about them)
2. Where am I demanding loads of money to be thrown in? If anything, I have always been against loads of money being thrown in that the club can't afford.
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Yes. The mere fact you felt the need to chirp up, shows your unhealthy obsession.
 

Nick

Administrator
  • Oct 14, 2018
  • #121
Greggs said:
hahahahahahaha
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It is getting a bit that way. Nothing worse than when somebody has been round in about 3 circles, resort to making things up that hasn't been said and still try to be sarcastic.
 

Nick

Administrator
  • Oct 14, 2018
  • #122
Greggs said:
Yes. The mere fact you felt the need to chirp up, shows your unhealthy obsession.
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So I didn't bring them up or demand investment at all then?

Make up your mind.
 

Captain Dart

Well-Known Member
  • Oct 14, 2018
  • #123
Greggs said:
How come we had more to 'invest' in the playing staff this year?
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1) Bigger monies for being in league one and not league two.
2) Bonuses from transfer business
 

Captain Dart

Well-Known Member
  • Oct 14, 2018
  • #124
mmttww said:
Hoffman recently became Chairman of Coventry Building Society. Don't see him sticking that out and going through a messy process to acquire the club.
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I missed that one. Is he still CEO of Hastings?
 

chiefdave

Well-Known Member
  • Oct 14, 2018
  • #125
How on earth is Greggs managing to make something very simple so complicated and get it spectacularly wrong at the same time?
 
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pipkin73

Well-Known Member
  • Oct 14, 2018
  • #126
SISU could have taken money out of the club to pay back debts/loans but they don't seem to have, so in a way they are leaving money in the club they could have taken. No they have not directly invested this season but they have allowed invetment by not taking funds away. In a way your both right, SISU have not invested this season directly, but allowing the club to use the funds it has generated and taking none for repayments is a sort of investment. For me the bigger worry (ground apart) is where does this seasons sell come from to generate money. Bayless don't seem the same player YET, JJ still to prove he can come back to what he was or better. So stop arguing about extra funds this season, where does next seasons extra funds come from?
 
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Terry_dactyl

Well-Known Member
  • Oct 15, 2018
  • #127
pipkin73 said:
SISU could have taken money out of the club to pay back debts/loans but they don't seem to have, so in a way they are leaving money in the club they could have taken. No they have not directly invested this season but they have allowed invetment by not taking funds away. In a way your both right, SISU have not invested this season directly, but allowing the club to use the funds it has generated and taking none for repayments is a sort of investment. For me the bigger worry (ground apart) is where does this seasons sell come from to generate money. Bayless don't seem the same player YET, JJ still to prove he can come back to what he was or better. So stop arguing about extra funds this season, where does next seasons extra funds come from?
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Callum Wilson
 

mmttww

Well-Known Member
  • Oct 15, 2018
  • #128
Captain Dart said:
I missed that one. Is he still CEO of Hastings?
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No idea.
 

pipkin73

Well-Known Member
  • Oct 15, 2018
  • #129
Terry_dactyl said:
Callum Wilson
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Only a small amount if he plays for England. Not the same as a new quality player sale like the last couple of seasons
 

Terry_dactyl

Well-Known Member
  • Oct 15, 2018
  • #130
pipkin73 said:
Only a small amount if he plays for England. Not the same as a new quality player sale like the last couple of seasons
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I was being a little flippant but I think we have a sell on clause don’t we?
 
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Paxman II

Well-Known Member
  • Oct 15, 2018
  • #131
Both right, both wrong . SISU aquired the football club. They invested money to do so. Whether via several layers of companies or not they ultimately are the benefactors {or losers} Now their investment is paying off as the football club is generating income. Allowing that income to be reinvested instead of taking a dividend is investment. It's not actual hard cash investment from SISU or it's shareholders or it's clients monies but could be interprited as investment as no monies have been extracted from the football club, the club originally bought by SISU as an investment. Their original investment can go up or down and has done so. Fresh investment would be hard cash put in by SISU which they have not done. But allowing the club to reinvest it's income is a form of investment from SISU it could be argued.
It's all symantics.
As the Wycombe manager said " they are a big club and we are envious of the money they are able to invest in players this season, 300k for Bakayako sitting on their bench, something we can't do" {he actualy forgot about Chaplin's 500k!} So let's give SISU some credit in allowing the club to reinvest it's income....it might just get us promoted a second time. SISU know they have to make the club viable and sustainable and get to the championship at least so they can sell their interest.
 
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pipkin73

Well-Known Member
  • Oct 15, 2018
  • #132
Paxman II said:
Both right, both wrong . SISU aquired the football club. They invested money to do so. Whether via several layers of companies or not they ultimately are the benefactors {or losers} Now their investment is paying off as the football club is generating income. Allowing that income to be reinvested instead of taking a dividend is investment. It's not actual hard cash investment from SISU or it's shareholders or it's clients monies but could be interprited as investment as no monies have been extracted from the football club, the club originally bought by SISU as an investment. Their original investment can go up or down and has done so. Fresh investment would be hard cash put in by SISU which they have not done. But allowing the club to reinvest it's income is a form of investment from SISU it could be argued.
It's all symantics.
As the Wycombe manager said " they are a big club and we are envious of the money they are able to invest in players this season, 300k for Bakayako sitting on their bench, something we can't do" {he actualy forgot about Chaplin's 500k!} So let's give SISU some credit in allowing the club to reinvest it's income....it might just get us promoted a second time. SISU know they have to make the club viable and sustainable and get to the championship at least so they can sell their interest.
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What i was saying just put better.
 
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Nick

Administrator
  • Oct 15, 2018
  • #133
Paxman II said:
Both right, both wrong . SISU aquired the football club. They invested money to do so. Whether via several layers of companies or not they ultimately are the benefactors {or losers} Now their investment is paying off as the football club is generating income. Allowing that income to be reinvested instead of taking a dividend is investment. It's not actual hard cash investment from SISU or it's shareholders or it's clients monies but could be interprited as investment as no monies have been extracted from the football club, the club originally bought by SISU as an investment. Their original investment can go up or down and has done so. Fresh investment would be hard cash put in by SISU which they have not done. But allowing the club to reinvest it's income is a form of investment from SISU it could be argued.
It's all symantics.
As the Wycombe manager said " they are a big club and we are envious of the money they are able to invest in players this season, 300k for Bakayako sitting on their bench, something we can't do" {he actualy forgot about Chaplin's 500k!} So let's give SISU some credit in allowing the club to reinvest it's income....it might just get us promoted a second time. SISU know they have to make the club viable and sustainable and get to the championship at least so they can sell their interest.
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That still isn't sisu investing this season.
 
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HuckerbyDublinWhelan

Well-Known Member
  • Oct 15, 2018
  • #134
The way I see it is, SISU haven’t put any further further funds.

If SISU didn’t exist this expenditure still would have been made. This further proves that NOPM is pretty much a failed initiative. The more money available = the more we can spend
 

hill83

Well-Known Member
  • Oct 15, 2018
  • #135
Not at all. To some extent. Very much so. Don't know. Always the same.
 

Greggs

Well-Known Member
  • Oct 15, 2018
  • #136
Paxman II said:
Both right, both wrong . SISU aquired the football club. They invested money to do so. Whether via several layers of companies or not they ultimately are the benefactors {or losers} Now their investment is paying off as the football club is generating income. Allowing that income to be reinvested instead of taking a dividend is investment. It's not actual hard cash investment from SISU or it's shareholders or it's clients monies but could be interprited as investment as no monies have been extracted from the football club, the club originally bought by SISU as an investment. Their original investment can go up or down and has done so. Fresh investment would be hard cash put in by SISU which they have not done. But allowing the club to reinvest it's income is a form of investment from SISU it could be argued.
It's all symantics.
As the Wycombe manager said " they are a big club and we are envious of the money they are able to invest in players this season, 300k for Bakayako sitting on their bench, something we can't do" {he actualy forgot about Chaplin's 500k!} So let's give SISU some credit in allowing the club to reinvest it's income....it might just get us promoted a second time. SISU know they have to make the club viable and sustainable and get to the championship at least so they can sell their interest.
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Thank you
 

Greggs

Well-Known Member
  • Oct 15, 2018
  • #137
Glad to see a few people understand how a business should be run. Thanks for your support in the matter
 

Greggs

Well-Known Member
  • Oct 15, 2018
  • #138
HuckerbyDublinWhelan said:
The way I see it is, SISU haven’t put any further further funds.

If SISU didn’t exist this expenditure still would have been made. This further proves that NOPM is pretty much a failed initiative. The more money available = the more we can spend
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If Sisu didn't exist, nor would we!
 

Nick

Administrator
  • Oct 15, 2018
  • #139
Greggs said:
Glad to see a few people understand how a business should be run. Thanks for your support in the matter
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Christ.

The point wasn't how a business should be run, was it?

It's as if you are reading something completely different.

The definition of invest is:

1.
put (money) into financial schemes, shares, property, or a commercial venture with the expectation of achieving a profit.
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I really don't think it can be made any simpler before it gets patronising.
 
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WhaleOilBeefHooked

Well-Known Member
  • Oct 15, 2018
  • #140
Nick said:
Joy pay from her own money then?
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It's not 'Joy' that owns the club though, is it? It's the Arvo Master Fund ultimately SISU.

But I think we're all arguing over the same thing. Technically they are investing by purchasing players using income from the previous year. But I consider investment to be something in excess of standard income. I certainly wouldn't say SISU have invested in CCFC in recent years.
 
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