Grendel
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Well the matchday cost bit may be of interest. If the matchday costs say doubled from the original deal it seems odd to still call them matchday costs. If that's what has happened of course.
Why can't Sisu accept a temp rent deal (1 Viewer)
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Well the matchday cost bit may be of interest. If the matchday costs say doubled from the original deal it seems odd to still call them matchday costs. If that's what has happened of course.
But they would probably have got the total costs of the rent AND the matchday costs for the whole season in 4-6 matches though wouldn't they? The fuckwits, and their supporters, can't seem to work that out though, can they/you G?
Astute
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How about if you were all as pissed as me? You might then work out what they are up to.
They moved us to try and put pressure on ACL/CCC from us fans. And the main reason was that if they paid the money to Northampton it would mean they pay nothing to ACL. Maybe they thought that ACL would have gone to the wall by now. One thing that Labo said was that ACL were in trouble. When questioned he said he didn't have any proof. They even want us to believe so. And this is what the JR is about. They want the loan refinancing so it would give a bigger chance of ACL getting into difficulties.
And to think all they had to do was go with the so called road map that they came out with. But they didn't want to give Higgs their money thinking that starving ACL of money would work. And because of this we are stuck in Northampton until they run out of ideas, rent the Ricoh, actually send ACL to the wall or liquidate our club.
Well done Joy. Not your fault though as you didn't even know that our club stopped paying the rent :thinking about:
They moved us to try and put pressure on ACL/CCC from us fans. And the main reason was that if they paid the money to Northampton it would mean they pay nothing to ACL. Maybe they thought that ACL would have gone to the wall by now. One thing that Labo said was that ACL were in trouble. When questioned he said he didn't have any proof. They even want us to believe so. And this is what the JR is about. They want the loan refinancing so it would give a bigger chance of ACL getting into difficulties.
And to think all they had to do was go with the so called road map that they came out with. But they didn't want to give Higgs their money thinking that starving ACL of money would work. And because of this we are stuck in Northampton until they run out of ideas, rent the Ricoh, actually send ACL to the wall or liquidate our club.
Well done Joy. Not your fault though as you didn't even know that our club stopped paying the rent :thinking about:
RoboCCFC90
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A few people have mentioned Matchday costs but I genuinely don't understand the argument it, okay so for instance Matchday costs will be at a higher rate at the Ricoh than say Sixfields yet this is part of having a 4* Stadium..
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James Smith
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Mr Labovitch said in one of his radio appearances something like, they couldn't go back to renting off the council that would be crazy.
RoboCCFC90
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I suppose when you're attempting to sue someone it would look crazy to continue to fund one of their businesses..
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James Smith
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I think he actually mentioned a lack of control renting from the council, but it's been a long day (late closing) and I might be thinking of two separate broadcasts.
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Jack Griffin
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If you are talking about the last ACL rent offer, they did, it is all here..
http://www.skybluetrust.co.uk/index.php/114-latest-news/328-questions-and-answers-about-talks
Rusty Trombone
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Looks to be a better deal than buying or building a stadium, especially for a club with little funds.
skybluetony176
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It doesn't answer the question in the context of my OP.
Rusty Trombone
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How much income do you think the club would generate from these revenue streams?
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Grendel
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Interesting. Why do matchday costs rise by 50%?
Rusty Trombone
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Or why did they reduce them by 50%, and thereby run the risk of some people thinking they are increasing later?
Grendel
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Where do you deduce that?
Rusty Trombone
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Got the idea for the argument from you.
Grendel
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So why the 50% increase do you think? Bit wierd isn't it?
Ian1779
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Goodness knows. Would depend on how far the streams go. I guess SISU want all matchday & non matchday too. In fact didn't they plan for AEG to come in and run Arena? So guessing it would be substantial and more than they would generate in ticket sales.
If they did a temp deal... Can imagine they'd want 100% control of everything on matchday as a starting point.
This is why we won't ever get a deal between them.
James Smith
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They rejected the other one with revenue streams included I assume because as Mr Labovitch said, they won't go back to renting from the council
Astute
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So having some revenue streams from 1,600 fans is better?
Ian1779
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I suppose it doesn't no. But I imagine that is a big reason that contributes to the decision along with other aspects people have mentioned.
Ian1779
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I didn't say it was better. It clearly isn't. But I think that is their justification.
stupot07
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I wonder how much Ccfc Ladies and leicester u21's are paying because surely they would have to meet a good proportion of these costs
A5. Match-day costs include, contributions towards the groundsman ( previously employed by the club and now by ACL), the pitch treatments, the equipment to maintain the pitch, - this should be the standard charge whoever uses the pitch
a contribution towards match-day utilities - higher for us, do they take reading from a meter?
hygiene - would have been nice if ACL fixed/replaced broken handdriers instead of leaving it a year. Would imagine proportional to the stadium use, except pitch lighting should be the same for any use ,
maintenance staff - should be built into costs for whatever user, but % per stand open.
waste disposal - yes higher for us and concerts ,
statutory compliance, - what does this even mean?
match-day stadium safety and control room management. - the ccfc ladies would need to contribute an element of this I would imagine.
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A5. Match-day costs include, contributions towards the groundsman ( previously employed by the club and now by ACL), the pitch treatments, the equipment to maintain the pitch, - this should be the standard charge whoever uses the pitch
a contribution towards match-day utilities - higher for us, do they take reading from a meter?
hygiene - would have been nice if ACL fixed/replaced broken handdriers instead of leaving it a year. Would imagine proportional to the stadium use, except pitch lighting should be the same for any use ,
maintenance staff - should be built into costs for whatever user, but % per stand open.
waste disposal - yes higher for us and concerts ,
statutory compliance, - what does this even mean?
match-day stadium safety and control room management. - the ccfc ladies would need to contribute an element of this I would imagine.
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Rusty Trombone
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Not really, I think they have offered them a cheaper deal to entice them back, same as the rent part was discounted more in the first year.
In my view it would have been better to offer an all inclusive deal, as then there would be no need for this sort of argument.
Rusty Trombone
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It seems that you're quite prepared to accept that if SISU say they want everything then so be it, we must do what we can to accommodate that to get a deal.
It would be understandable for ACL to not give away non football income, I would hope they would be still open to consider a match day income deal.
Do you think AEG will come and run the Arena for free, or will they want either a fixed fee, or a cut of the income?
RoboCCFC90
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Maybe, I personally don't remember that comment but nevertheless I still feel personally that renting the Ricoh is beyond the Club, if we want this Club to progress and be successful we can't return to the previous tenancy agreement or even the agreement that was on the table.
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RoboCCFC90
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Are you stating that F&B revenues are irrelevant? I think that's a pretty silly suggestion if that's what you are insinuating.
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Grendel
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What were the match day costs on that deal James? These costs seem to change with each deal.
Rusty Trombone
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As a club that's making massive losses, and with owners that don't have a huge amount of money (their investors might, but will only continue investing if they see a prospect for a return on their investment), then I don't see how we have any choice but to rent somewhere.
Ian1779
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You asked the question - which I tried to answer. That doesn't mean it's my opinion.
Rusty Trombone
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Not sure how you managed to arrive at me suggesting that. Are you really stating that the moon is made of cheese? Pretty silly if you are.
RoboCCFC90
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"As a club that's making massive losses" - Aren't these losses being covered by the owners?
I think it would be wrong to try and guess how much money is in Sisu's back pockets..
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