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Why can't Sisu accept a temp rent deal (1 Viewer)

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limoncello

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  • Apr 17, 2014
  • #36
wingy said:
That'd be on the " wagon",and would be a mistake IMO.
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Maybe the Golden Bear?
 

Ian1779

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  • Apr 17, 2014
  • #37
bigfatronssba said:
Please enlighten us then on what revenue ccfc are getting at Sixfields that they wasn't at the Ricoh?
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At Ricoh they got ticket sales, pitch side sponsorship and 1 section of the car parking. That was it. Everything else went to ACL. It's not necessarily about what they get at Sixfields, but more about what they didn't get at Ricoh.

That's not to mention all the other non- matchday revenue that they wanted to get a part of.

This is what they want. I daresay that if ACL gave them it as part of a long term deal at the Ricoh - they would probably accept it.

The problem is ACL - not in terms of blame but their actual existence. It may be sensible of SISU to buy out ACL but I don't think that could ever happen.
 
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limoncello

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  • Apr 17, 2014
  • #38
The former England wicket keeper? Help me out here Jack, I'm floundering.
 
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Broken Hearted Sky Blue

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  • Apr 17, 2014
  • #39
Ian1779 said:
At Ricoh they got ticket sales, pitch side sponsorship and 1 section of the car parking. That was it. Everything else went to ACL. It's not necessarily about what they get at Sixfields, but more about what they didn't get at Ricoh.

That's not to mention all the other non- matchday revenue that they wanted to get a part of.

This is what they want. I daresay that if ACL gave them it as part of a long term deal at the Ricoh - they would probably accept it.

The problem is ACL - not in terms of blame but their actual existence. It may be sensible of SISU to buy out ACL but I don't think that could ever happen.
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Why? Is it because it's sensible?
 

Ian1779

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  • Apr 17, 2014
  • #40
Broken Hearted Sky Blue said:
Why? Is it because it's sensible?
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I guess we wouldn't have this whole issue if who owns what if they bought the whole bloody lot. Can I see the council selling it... Not a chance.
 

James Smith

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  • Apr 17, 2014
  • #41
Ian1779 said:
At Ricoh they got ticket sales, pitch side sponsorship and 1 section of the car parking. That was it. Everything else went to ACL. It's not necessarily about what they get at Sixfields, but more about what they didn't get at Ricoh.

That's not to mention all the other non- matchday revenue that they wanted to get a part of.

This is what they want. I daresay that if ACL gave them it as part of a long term deal at the Ricoh - they would probably accept it.

The problem is ACL - not in terms of blame but their actual existence. It may be sensible of SISU to buy out ACL but I don't think that could ever happen.
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Which is why it is so bizarre that they didn't purchase the Higgs share when they came in. Get that half and then maybe a few years down the line when you've shown yourselves to be a suitable bunch get the council half as well. See post 164 in the Private eye thread for more.
 
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Jack Griffin

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  • Apr 17, 2014
  • #42
limoncello said:
Jack, are you the Jack that wrote On The Road?
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No he's dead.

limoncello said:
The former England wicket keeper? Help me out here Jack, I'm floundering.
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OK, back to the point, I was asking if the poster was someone who has access to the media through an occasional column in the Cov Telegraph, one that supports a line similar to Rob Stevens & Les Reid, and one which is better for SISU. Other people who seem to have access to the media like Stuart Linnell, Rob Stevens & Simon Gilbert are open about their identities in this forum as is PKWH and Micheal Orton.

And I'm staying anonymous ;-)
 
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Grendel

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  • Apr 17, 2014
  • #43
skybluetony176 said:
Again. If the JR is a done deal sisu will apparently be having all the revenue streams anyway.

So there is no harm in them signing any deal however ridiculous or reasonable the deal on offer may be as they'll be in control of everything anyway by next season seeing as they can't possibly loose the JR apparently.
This being the case they may as well sign a deal now and give the much beleaguered fans and playing staff something to look forward to.
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What of a condition of accepting the "deal" was dropping the JR?
 
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Jack Griffin

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  • Apr 17, 2014
  • #44
RFC said:
A private company that's being manipulated by CCC who allegedly employed one of the worlds most expensive PR companies to represent ACL @ the recent high court heating in Birmingham.
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Who told you to say that, could it have been SISU's PR company.
 

Grendel

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  • Apr 17, 2014
  • #45
Jack Griffin said:
No he's dead.
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You are that man who sticks his head through doors yelling "here's Jonny" aren't you Jack?
 

skybluetony176

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  • Apr 17, 2014
  • #46
Grendel said:
What of a condition of accepting the "deal" was dropping the JR?
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Was that a condition of the rent offer through the FL then? I'm sure if it was ML wouldn't have been able to contain himself with that one so I think it's safe to assume it wasn't.
 
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limoncello

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  • Apr 17, 2014
  • #47
Jack Griffin said:
No he's dead.



OK, back to the point, I was asking if the poster was someone who has access to the media through an occasional column in the Cov Telegraph, one that supports a line similar to Rob Stevens & Les Reid, and one which is better for SISU. Other people who seem to have access to the media like Stuart Linnell, Rob Stevens & Simon Gilbert are open about their identities in this forum as is PKWH and Micheal Orton.

And I'm staying anonymous ;-)
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But you didn't just ask if he was Ian Blogs, did you? You speculatively linked to a fairly pro-Sisu article. Why? Perhaps hoping to weaken Ian's declared impartiality? Bit sneaky if you ask me.
 
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RoboCCFC90

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  • Apr 17, 2014
  • #48
Question: Why can't Sisu accept a temp rent deal?

Answer: They don't want to rent a Stadium.

I can't see how that is so hard to understand frankly.


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duffer

Well-Known Member
  • Apr 17, 2014
  • #49
RoboCCFC90 said:
Question: Why can't Sisu accept a temp rent deal?

Answer: They don't want to rent a Stadium.

I can't see how that is so hard to understand frankly.


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They're renting one now. And the net cost is far higher than the Ricoh. So again, why don't they want to move back, even temporarily?
 
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wingy

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  • Apr 17, 2014
  • #50
RoboCCFC90 said:
Question: Why can't Sisu accept a temp rent deal?

Answer: They don't want to rent a Stadium.

I can't see how that is so hard to understand frankly.


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But that's exactly what they've done , at considerable indirect cost.
 
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RoboCCFC90

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  • Apr 17, 2014
  • #51
duffer said:
They're renting one now. And the net cost is far higher than the Ricoh. So again, why don't they want to move back, even temporarily?
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They have no alternative to renting at Sixfields, they obviously feel there is an alternative to the Ricoh.


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wingy

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  • Apr 17, 2014
  • #52
duffer said:
They're renting one now. And the net cost is far higher than the Ricoh. So again, why don't they want to move back, even temporarily?
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Snap......
 
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RoboCCFC90

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  • Apr 17, 2014
  • #53
wingy said:
But that's exactly what they've done , at considerable indirect cost.
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They're willing to cover the costs, someone explain to me why we are going over this for the millionth time?


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DazzleTommyDazzle

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  • Apr 17, 2014
  • #54
RoboCCFC90 said:
Question: Why can't Sisu accept a temp rent deal?

Answer: They don't want to rent a Stadium.

I can't see how that is so hard to understand frankly.


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So they're prepared to effectively turn away 80% - 90% of their "customer base" because "they don't want to rent a stadium".

Got to be honest - I find that impossible to understand.
 

duffer

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  • Apr 17, 2014
  • #55
Ian1779 said:
That'll be why they won't accept. They want access to revenue streams.

And if you think it's just a bit of pie money, you haven't really grasped how this issue is so important in the dispute. If it's just pie money - why are ACL so intent on keeping hold of it?
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Ah no, I think I've grasped it just fine thanks. It's just a bit funny how it wasn't an issue for so long, and then suddenly became an issue, and then it wasn't just access to the revenue but the freehold too.

I think you haven't grasped the original question. Why can't they accept a "temporary" rent deal at the Ricoh?

It's not like they'll be getting lots of F &B or parking revenue at NTFC at the moment, is it.
 
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RoboCCFC90

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  • Apr 17, 2014
  • #56
DazzleTommyDazzle said:
So they're prepared to effectively turn away 80% - 90% of their "customer base" because "they don't want to rent a stadium".

Got to be honest - I find that impossible to understand.
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7 years of Sisu and this is the first part of their business decisions and timing that you fail to understand?


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Mr T - Sukka!

Active Member
  • Apr 17, 2014
  • #57
£1.2M rent is far too high for a L1 club, blah blah blah.

But £1.8M CCFC have to pay in intrest fee's to AVRO is no problem whatsoever?

Why do they contradict themselves with no challenge?

Why does this question never get asked?
 
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wingy

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  • Apr 17, 2014
  • #58
RoboCCFC90 said:
They're willing to cover the costs, someone explain to me why we are going over this for the millionth time?


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Ultimately It's costing the club ,in terms of fans ,player retention /recruitment ,competitive status ,to make what point?
 

duffer

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  • Apr 17, 2014
  • #59
RoboCCFC90 said:
They have no alternative to renting at Sixfields, they obviously feel there is an alternative to the Ricoh.


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Indeed, the alternative is renting at Sixfields. C'mon Rob, out with it, why won't they rent the Ricoh?

I can't see how it's so easy to accept the frankly pathetic argument of 'they just don't want to, OK'.
 

Grendel

Well-Known Member
  • Apr 17, 2014
  • #60
One can safely assume sisu believe they will win the JR and they will claim sufficient damaged to make their stance worthwhile.

One would also assume the cheap rent / increased match day costs deal either was offered on the basis the JR was dropped or their legal advisors said accepting the deal would compromise the case.

Its hardly difficult.
 
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wingy

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  • Apr 17, 2014
  • #61
Grendel said:
One can safely assume sisu believe they will win the JR and they will claim sufficient damaged to make their stance worthwhile.

One would also assume the cheap rent / increased match day costs deal either was offered on the basis the JR was dropped or their legal advisors said accepting the deal would compromise the case.

Its hardly difficult.
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The very last point would appear the most salient
 
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RoboCCFC90

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  • Apr 17, 2014
  • #62
duffer said:
Indeed, the alternative is renting at Sixfields. C'mon Rob, out with it, why won't they rent the Ricoh?

I can't see how it's so easy to accept the frankly pathetic argument of 'they just don't want to, OK'.
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If I could answer that Duffer I'd have a better paid job that what I currently have.

Should Sisu's public statements be true they want the Club to have full ownership of their own Stadium. This sounds very reasonable but is it achievable? Perhaps a different conversation entirely.

If you are asking me what my opinion is on why Sisu won't rent the Ricoh? I would say its because a mixture of the reason I stated above but because Sisu have a certain feeling of injustice and want to fight it.

Preferably I would prefer that Sisu purchased the Higgs share and took things from there, but we don't get what we want as fans, as this thread such proves.


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DazzleTommyDazzle

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  • Apr 17, 2014
  • #63
RoboCCFC90 said:
7 years of Sisu and this is the first part of their business decisions and timing that you fail to understand?


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Not sure how you got that impression!
 
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RoboCCFC90

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  • Apr 17, 2014
  • #64
DazzleTommyDazzle said:
Not sure how you got that impression!
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I wanted to make sure


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skybluetony176

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  • Apr 17, 2014
  • #65
Grendel said:
One can safely assume sisu believe they will win the JR and they will claim sufficient damaged to make their stance worthwhile.

One would also assume the cheap rent / increased match day costs deal either was offered on the basis the JR was dropped or their legal advisors said accepting the deal would compromise the case.

Its hardly difficult.
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How can you assume that? Once they finally admitted that the offer was made ML was falling over himself to tell us how bad of a deal it was. If dropping the JR was in there it would have been the fist thing him and TF would have been spouting of about as they did with the offer made through the administrator. ML was eager enough to tell us the bad parts it's just a shame he didn't disclose the offer in full. Can't think why he wouldn't, after all he doesn't work for sisu he's only interested in what's best for the club.
 

Nick

Administrator
  • Apr 17, 2014
  • #66
skybluetony176 said:
How can you assume that? Once they finally admitted that the offer was made ML was falling over himself to tell us how bad of a deal it was. If dropping the JR was in there it would have been the fist thing him and TF would have been spouting of about as they did with the offer made through the administrator. ML was eager enough to tell us the bad parts it's just a shame he didn't disclose the offer in full. Can't think why he wouldn't, after all he doesn't work for sisu he's only interested in what's best for the club.
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If the offer was so good, why haven't ACL disclosed the terms?

I think TF came out and went through one of the offers but no reply to say "thats bullshit fella" in as many words.
 

Ian1779

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  • Apr 17, 2014
  • #67
Do any of us actually know the details of the final offer that was put on the table? That is one of Michael's questions as well is it not?

That would defnitely clarify things if we knew.
 
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wingy

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  • Apr 17, 2014
  • #68
Nick said:
If the offer was so good, why haven't ACL disclosed the terms?

I think TF came out and went through one of the offers but no reply to say "thats bullshit fella" in as many words.
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As I recall ,the response was a bit of a conundrum in that What TF referred to as matchday costs when he was paying them in the previous season ,he now wished to imply they were in fact ," Rent".
 

Nick

Administrator
  • Apr 17, 2014
  • #69
wingy said:
As I recall ,the response was a bit of a conundrum in that What TF referred to as matchday costs when he was paying them in the previous season ,he now wished to imply they were in fact ," Rent".
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I think that was the one, I was by no means saying everything he said is true / correct etc BUT if ACL were to say "these are the terms, it is a great deal" then the ball is clearly in SISU's court isn't it?
 

Grendel

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  • Apr 17, 2014
  • #70
skybluetony176 said:
How can you assume that? Once they finally admitted that the offer was made ML was falling over himself to tell us how bad of a deal it was. If dropping the JR was in there it would have been the fist thing him and TF would have been spouting of about as they did with the offer made through the administrator. ML was eager enough to tell us the bad parts it's just a shame he didn't disclose the offer in full. Can't think why he wouldn't, after all he doesn't work for sisu he's only interested in what's best for the club.
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Why won't Peter answer the question regarding the detail of the deal? Peter is always on hand to offer guidance and advice.

Which bad parts did ML talk about? I cannot recall very much about it. Again, some of the contents in full may be used in the JR.
 
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