Weber Shandwick and PR Companies (1 Viewer)

[dongonzalos]

Are you saying that the bank blocked their reasonable solution? If you are does that not raise questions as to why?

No the email said that they would face an media onslaught if they did block it ( they didn't)

 

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[torchomatic]

Didn't what?

You appear to be talking to yourself here.

I asked him if he was having a good day but he couldn't answer because of the JR.

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[dongonzalos]

It was a private company.... but you keep playing the charity card

Don't think you answered the question

If a big bank block a reasonable deal that leads to the end of a private company owned by a charity and a local council. Do you think they would turn to the press to attack the bank over the decision?

 

[dongonzalos]

I'm not suggesting anything untoward necessarily, but they were talking about SISU buying out the distressed debt at about £6m, then when they go and do another deal.. the bank reject all offers up to the full £14m amount.

Why would they do that (and I mean the bank), if the talk was that £6m would have the got the deal done.

The bank may have done the same with the 6 million offer. Who said it was to be accepted?

 

[wingy]

I think it is quite obvious if a charity and council attempt to do something to save a business and a bank blocks their reasonable solution. Of course it is likely the next tactic for the charity and council would be to ensure the public know what the bank did. It would be a natural step surely to try and exert pressure and ensure the bank accepted a fair deal.

There are lots of stories at the moment about banks ensuring business go under rather than do a deal.

I seem to recall Fisher doing that on CWR and followed up saying It was Odd that CCC were buying IT out .

 

[Grendel]

Don't think you answered the question

If a big bank block a reasonable deal that leads to the end of a private company owned by a charity and a local council. Do you think they would turn to the press to attack the bank over the decision?

Yes if it wasn't in their interests. ACL is not a charity and charities lose money on investments.

 

[Nick]

Don't think you answered the question

If a big bank block a reasonable deal that leads to the end of a private company owned by a charity and a local council. Do you think they would turn to the press to attack the bank over the decision?

It doesn't matter who owns it, whether it is a charity or not does it?

Why would they threaten a media assault if they didnt go with it but then praise them in the media if they agreed?

The thread is about PR and Media, those threats show it probably is being used

 

[chiefdave]

Any chance of linking to your legal teams skeleton argument please?

I'm still not clear on how we have court documents from one side and not the other. I thought they were coming through official channels but with Higgs side still not appearing it seems the SISU side has been deliberately leaked out through whoever it was that put them on there (Rob?). Anyone shine any light on this?

 

[chiefdave]

Maybe YB got tipped off by someone who had left ACL with the full knowledge of the roadmap - someone who later became director at YB.
But as long as there is no evidence, then it's pure speculation.

If YB rejected a lower offer from CCC (and possibly had knowledge of any deal to buy the loan on the cheap) does it not blow out the water the idea that SISU could buy it on the cheap? Why would they agree to sell it at a lower price to one side?

 

[Astute]

If YB rejected a lower offer from CCC (and possibly had knowledge of any deal to buy the loan on the cheap) does it not blow out the water the idea that SISU could buy it on the cheap? Why would they agree to sell it at a lower price to one side?

Because Joy doesn't negotiate but batters people into submission and ties people up in litigation if she doesn't get her own way. YB would have been quaking in their boots having to face up to her

 

[Grendel]

If YB rejected a lower offer from CCC (and possibly had knowledge of any deal to buy the loan on the cheap) does it not blow out the water the idea that SISU could buy it on the cheap? Why would they agree to sell it at a lower price to one side?

Not if having agreed the low bid they then upped the bid to £14 million while at the same time confirming to the club that the club can buy the loan.

Also of course there is the argument that there never was a rent strike but all parties agreed a lower deal to be referred to as matchday costs

Clearly its the validity of these claims that could be critical.

 

[mark82]

Tell me more about these Private Eye stories.

If there's one thing that makes me laugh it's people suggesting Private Eye are posting propaganda on behalf of one side or another. Anyone who knows anything about private eye will realise just how stupid a suggestion that is.

 

[Nick]

I know nothing about private eye, can you explain?

 

[Godiva]

If YB rejected a lower offer from CCC (and possibly had knowledge of any deal to buy the loan on the cheap) does it not blow out the water the idea that SISU could buy it on the cheap? Why would they agree to sell it at a lower price to one side?

I have answered that question a couple of times - here's one reply:

Sorry - I usually cut up longer posts and reply outside quotes. But I got lazy

The £6m-£8m is from the transcripts - forgive me for not trawling through some 400 pages to find it. But maybe you will agree that it seems plausible as CCC went to YB with an offer of £8m.

And actually I have my doubts if YB would have accepted anything like that. Mostly because the former ACL chairman David Allvey knew the roadmap when he left - and we know he ended up at YB. I don't know if he told YB, but at least it is a possibility and if he did that could explain why YB held on till the number reached £14m.

 

[chiefdave]

The £6m-£8m is from the transcripts - forgive me for not trawling through some 400 pages to find it. But maybe you will agree that it seems plausible as CCC went to YB with an offer of £8m.

And actually I have my doubts if YB would have accepted anything like that. Mostly because the former ACL chairman David Allvey knew the roadmap when he left - and we know he ended up at YB. I don't know if he told YB, but at least it is a possibility and if he did that could explain why YB held on till the number reached £14m.

You would hope, if this is vital to SISU's version of events, that they can produce some evidence to back up their claim that CCC have overpaid. If they have some sort of HOT or letter of intent from YB then they can say CCC overpaid, if they don't have something like that, and someone from YB confirms that CCC made lower offers that were rejected, then that part of their argument falls apart.

 

[wingy]

You would hope, if this is vital to SISU's version of events, that they can produce some evidence to back up their claim that CCC have overpaid. If they have some sort of HOT or letter of intent from YB then they can say CCC overpaid, if they don't have something like that, and someone from YB confirms that CCC made lower offers that were rejected, then that part of their argument falls apart.

Don't know why but you've just tweeked something in my grey cells.

Could there be another reason for the JR aside from the obvious gains we've all speculated on ?

Is there a necessity for It in some connected way to the Admins /Liquidations?

They did'nt go straight to It when the CCC deal was done ,it was a delayed reaction .

Are the Liquidations going through successfully dependent jumping through this hoop?

 

[wingy]

Who has held up the Liquidations and why does'nt Fisher speak publicly anymore?

 

[Ian1779]

Don't know why but you've just tweeked something in my grey cells.

Could there be another reason for the JR aside from the obvious gains we've all speculated on ?

We haven't heard from Fisher, Sepalla, Lucas, Reeves etc for months. You would probably say that's because they've been advised to say nothing, but all of them?

We've not had a statement of facts from the Council yet - would have thought that would have been out in the public domain ages ago.

The only person talking at the club is ML right now, who is the only person to have minimal/no involvement in the buy-out talks.

I think there is going to be something left-field on this. Not sure why... just a hunch I guess.