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Wasps going into admin & the impact on CCFC (7 Viewers)

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Grendel

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  • Oct 19, 2022
  • #4,271
Saddlebrains said:
Fisher openly said it a few years back. Our model doesn't work in the championship

Also since promotion I'm pretty sure they've shown that's the case

Sheaf - 750K
Gyok- £1M
Hamer- £1.2m
Walker - £1M

£4 Million spent in 3 seasons of Championship football

In that time selling

Hyam -£1.5m
Shipley -Nominal probably around £100k

Spending £2.4 Million in 3 seasons of championship football, when we've all backed the club with ST's record merchandise etc shows that this is financially it. Nothing else
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We in that period also received £1.7m for Callum Wilson
 
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fernandopartridge

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  • Oct 19, 2022
  • #4,272
SHUNT31 said:
Interesting.

Potential buyer?
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It's a legal firm, they'll have just established an entity

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olderskyblue

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  • Oct 19, 2022
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Just looking back on yesterdays council meeting, and it does smack of a “preferred” bidder already in place, and as Nick said, it could be Richardson or someone else involved with the Wasps.

all the stuff about asking players to hold back for a couple of days before making any decisions also has the smell of a deal already being finalised.

Duggins distanced CCC from any bail out funding, but I wonder if he’s already committed to covering the costs of the maintenance work on the stadium as a “sweetener”. Hopefully not.

Of course, he would never do that for Sisu, just Wasps, to cover CCC’s arses for their incompetence.

end result I think will be Wasps, in some form, being our landlords still.

After his comment about secret meetings being against the constitution, I wonder if Simon Gilbert will go after him, referring to the secret and un-minuted meeting they had on bringing Wasps here?

not that it will have an effect. Duggins referenced it was agreed by all sides of the council, was that to silence Ridley from pushing that point?
 

duffer

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  • Oct 19, 2022
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  • WASPS RUGBY FOOTBALL CLUB LTD
    14426733 - Incorporated on 18 October 2022
    56 Friar Gate, Derby, England, DE1 1DF
Interesting new Rugby company only formed yesterday
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That's interesting. I suppose it would make sense that someone is trying to set up a phoenix club of some kind.

It costs peanuts to set up a company of course, so this could be entirely speculative.

Even if there is a phoenix Wasps, I don't see how they start in the Premier division though, not after they've just released all of their players. Maybe this is the start of the set up for the Championship next year?

I see the only officer, currently at least, is a solicitor. I suspect that's just the person who's setting it up on behalf of the actual owner. One to watch, this...
 

Skyblue_CP

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  • Oct 19, 2022
  • #4,275
Nick said:
So why aren't Fulham and Norwich owners ambitious and ploughing big money in to get them to the higher ceiling?
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I’m sure Fulham fans are relatively happy with the circa 55m they spent in the summer window. Trying to be ambitious and breaking their next ceiling which is to stay up in the Premier League. Which they’re actually performing quite well at attempting currently. So they are trying to break that ceiling no?
 

jordan210

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  • Oct 19, 2022
  • #4,276
How long does it normally take for admin notice to go official on Gazette and companies houses. As still nothing
 

Grendel

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  • Oct 19, 2022
  • #4,277
duffer said:
That's interesting. I suppose it would make sense that someone is trying to set up a phoenix club of some kind.

It costs peanuts to set up a company of course, so this could be entirely speculative.

Even if there is a phoenix Wasps, I don't see how they start in the Premier division though, not after they've just released all of their players. Maybe this is the start of the set up for the Championship next year?

I see the only officer, currently at least, is a solicitor. I suspect that's just the person who's setting it up on behalf of the actual owner. One to watch, this...
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Its a solicitor
 

SkyblueBri

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  • Oct 19, 2022
  • #4,278
olderskyblue said:
Just looking back on yesterdays council meeting, and it does smack of a “preferred” bidder already in place, and as Nick said, it could be Richardson or someone else involved with the Wasps.

all the stuff about asking players to hold back for a couple of days before making any decisions also has the smell of a deal already being finalised.

Duggins distanced CCC from any bail out funding, but I wonder if he’s already committed to covering the costs of the maintenance work on the stadium as a “sweetener”. Hopefully not.

Of course, he would never do that for Sisu, just Wasps, to cover CCC’s arses for their incompetence.

end result I think will be Wasps, in some form, being our landlords still.

After his comment about secret meetings being against the constitution, I wonder if Simon Gilbert will go after him, referring to the secret and un-minuted meeting they had on bringing Wasps here?

not that it will have an effect. Duggins referenced it was agreed by all sides of the council, was that to silence Ridley from pushing that point?
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Could it really just de status quo don’t depress me I thought we’d got rid of these invaders
 

Sky Blue Pete

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  • Oct 19, 2022
  • #4,279
I think it’s highly unlikely without the p thingy that wasps will be doing anything in coventry rugby related

If that’s the case and ccc allow acl Ltd to be owned by a wasps director that seems bizarre

Especially as in the lease agreement there was a thing about administration breaking it

Cloak and daggers eh
 

Nick

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  • Oct 19, 2022
  • #4,280
Sky Blue Pete said:
I think it’s highly unlikely without the p thingy that wasps will be doing anything in coventry rugby related

If that’s the case and ccc allow acl Ltd to be owned by a wasps director that seems bizarre

Especially as in the lease agreement there was a thing about administration breaking it

Cloak and daggers eh
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ACL hasn't gone into admin yet though.
 

slowpoke

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  • Oct 19, 2022
  • #4,281
SkyblueBri said:
Could it really just de status quo don’t depress me I thought we’d got rid of these invaders
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I think Wasps in Cov is a dead duck but the name carrying on in the RU circles will happen , like it or not they are a very big name in RU and reforming is a possibility probably a certainly, already been muted of a return to the London area think that’s more than a possibility.
 

duffer

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  • Oct 19, 2022
  • #4,282
SkyblueBri said:
Could it really just de status quo don’t depress me I thought we’d got rid of these invaders
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Unless someone buys both Wasps and the lease, and then gives them ownership of it again, this doesn't happen. If that was going to happen, it would surely have occurred whilst they were still a viable Premier division club.
 
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Sky Blue Pete

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  • Oct 19, 2022
  • #4,283
Nick said:
ACL hasn't gone into admin yet though.
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Completely agree but it’s still disingenuous

Can you imagine if:
Wasps keep the p thing
They aren’t relegated
They wipe out debts
The recruit the players they want to on reduced contracts
They carry on as if nothing has happened

It would be a dereliction of duty on behalf of
Premiership rugby
Ccc
 
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jordan210

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  • Oct 19, 2022
  • #4,284

Wasps' nine-figure debt revealed by chief executive

Wasps Holdings Limited went into administration on Monday
www.coventrytelegraph.net

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He said: “The model makes sense, - you have a fantastic venue with conferences, events, exhibitions and concerts and the excess from the venue pays for the sporting business, that’s fine in the normal world.

“When the organisation decided to take bond out seven years ago it automatically put a £35million debt onto the business.


“Then you add on all of the other debts over the years whether it’s pre-covid or not, if you count Derek’s loans [Richardson, Wasps owner] in there as well it’s over £100 million.”
 
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Senior Vick from Alicante

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  • Oct 19, 2022
  • #4,285
Skyblue_CP said:
I’m sure Fulham fans are relatively happy with the circa 55m they spent in the summer window. Trying to be ambitious and breaking their next ceiling which is to stay up in the Premier League. Which they’re actually performing quite well at attempting currently. So they are trying to break that ceiling no?
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The one thing I would say is if you get a player on a free its not counted in the spend. But you can bet that players like Ohare and Vick will be on the big bucks in the club plus the uplift in wages from promotion that has to absorbed. We may have only had a net spend on transfers of 2.5 million in the Championship but in real terms the costs of the squad will have increased several times over.
 

shmmeee

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  • Oct 19, 2022
  • #4,286
Saddlebrains said:
Hypothetical question

Say we get shafted and stay as tenants with sisu in control

Could you carry on? Because tbh i would find it very very difficult dragging myself up there knowing we were going to be constantly skint, never a cat in hells chance of making the prem and knowing we will never ever get rid of them bastards who control us
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If that happens it’s time for Sisu to go. I wouldn’t stop going, but I’d focus everything on getting them out as there’s no future with them in charge.

I’m not too fussed about the stadium, I think it doesn’t really matter if we rent or own, and not too bothered about Wasps until they fuck up so bad it stops out games. But the idea of watching us being held ransom on life support for no reason other than spite fills me with sadness.
Senior Vick from Alicante said:
The one thing I would say is if you get a player on a free its not counted in the spend. But you can bet that players like Ohare and Vick will be on the big bucks in the club plus the uplift in wages from promotion that has to absorbed. We may have only had a net spend on transfers of 2.5 million in the Championship but in real terms the costs of the squad will have increased several times over.
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The value is nothing if they’re allowed to run down their contracts like last time Sisu we’re at this level.
 
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The Philosopher

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  • Oct 19, 2022
  • #4,287
I fully expect SISU to be in the bidding either directly or through a patsy or other investment arm.

If the cost is Zero they’ll be in. If the cost is £100m they won’t, it’s where in between they bid and who else bids.
 

Gynnsthetonic

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  • Oct 19, 2022
  • #4,288
jordan210 said:

Wasps' nine-figure debt revealed by chief executive

Wasps Holdings Limited went into administration on Monday
www.coventrytelegraph.net

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He said: “The model makes sense, - you have a fantastic venue with conferences, events, exhibitions and concerts and the excess from the venue pays for the sporting business, that’s fine in the normal world.

“When the organisation decided to take bond out seven years ago it automatically put a £35million debt onto the business.


“Then you add on all of the other debts over the years whether it’s pre-covid or not, if you count Derek’s loans [Richardson, Wasps owner] in there as well it’s over £100 million.”
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Over £100m debts, how irresponsible from both Wasp and CCC for their due diligence
 
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HuckerbyDublinWhelan

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  • Oct 19, 2022
  • #4,289
one thing that’s alarming is the 20m in repairs needed to the Arena, is it actually worth buying?
 
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shmmeee

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  • Oct 19, 2022
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Macca1987 said:
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  • WASPS RUGBY FOOTBALL CLUB LTD
    14426733 - Incorporated on 18 October 2022
    56 Friar Gate, Derby, England, DE1 1DF
Interesting new Rugby company only formed yesterday
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Sadly not Mike Ashley’s law firm.
 

Nick

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  • Oct 19, 2022
  • #4,291
jordan210 said:

Wasps' nine-figure debt revealed by chief executive

Wasps Holdings Limited went into administration on Monday
www.coventrytelegraph.net

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He said: “The model makes sense, - you have a fantastic venue with conferences, events, exhibitions and concerts and the excess from the venue pays for the sporting business, that’s fine in the normal world.

“When the organisation decided to take bond out seven years ago it automatically put a £35million debt onto the business.


“Then you add on all of the other debts over the years whether it’s pre-covid or not, if you count Derek’s loans [Richardson, Wasps owner] in there as well it’s over £100 million.”
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So their model didn't make sense?
 

Mcbean

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  • Oct 19, 2022
  • #4,292
DT in the public interest
 

Nick

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  • Oct 19, 2022
  • #4,293
shmmeee said:
Sadly not Mike Ashley’s law firm.
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I did google that when I saw Derbeh
 
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Gynnsthetonic

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  • Oct 19, 2022
  • #4,294
HuckerbyDublinWhelan said:
one thing that’s alarming is the 20m in repairs needed to the Arena, is it actually worth buying?
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Would you not wait until the (or if) council take back the freehold then surely its their responsibility.
 

Gynnsthetonic

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  • Oct 19, 2022
  • #4,295
Nick said:
So their model didn't make sense?
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Don't think it ever did, should never of been sold in the first place, Sisu said it wouldn't work too
 

The Philosopher

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  • Oct 19, 2022
  • #4,296
HuckerbyDublinWhelan said:
one thing that’s alarming is the 20m in repairs needed to the Arena, is it actually worth buying?
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Can’t see £20m in repairs. It’s a bluff tactic.
 

jordan210

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  • Oct 19, 2022
  • #4,297
Nick said:
So their model didn't make sense?
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Id love to see ACL's accounts. It appeared bet everything that ACL would turn mayor profits and keep the rugby side alive.
 

Saddlebrains

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  • Oct 19, 2022
  • #4,298
We all agree the place needs a whole repaint, a good clean in and out and new bogs, but surely thats not 20 Million?
 
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Nick

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  • Oct 19, 2022
  • #4,299
Saddlebrains said:
We all agree the place needs a whole repaint, a good clean in and out and new bogs, but surely thats not 20 Million?
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I remember reading / seeing something about structural cracks? No idea if / how true.
 

Gynnsthetonic

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  • Oct 19, 2022
  • #4,300
Will ACL not have to publish accounts if they are to be sold?
 

Calista

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  • Oct 19, 2022
  • #4,301
jordan210 said:
Registred adress is a solistors in Derby. Where Tim is a Partner.

Wonder if he has seen a cheeky gap to register a company then sell it on.
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Which Tim are you talking about?!
 
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HuckerbyDublinWhelan

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  • Oct 19, 2022
  • #4,302
Saddlebrains said:
We all agree the place needs a whole repaint, a good clean in and out and new bogs, but surely thats not 20 Million?
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It’s been a rumour for a while, was around 12-15m in delapidations

didn’t wasps have a structural engineer in shortly after buying it?
 
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wingy

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  • Oct 19, 2022
  • #4,303
Gynnsthetonic said:
Will ACL not have to publish accounts if they are to be sold?
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More or less likely if entering administration?
The latter I think.
 
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jordan210

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  • Oct 19, 2022
  • #4,304
Calista said:
Which Tim are you talking about?!
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James Timothy Dysterre-Clark uses the name Tim Dysterre-Clark
 
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skyblu3sk

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  • Oct 19, 2022
  • #4,305
A few other companies registered at the address which I think is a service solicitors provide got worried when I saw the bit below about NEC but think it's a red herring.

Kinetic Orange Limited - Company Profile - Endole
 
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