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Covkid1968#

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  • Sep 16, 2022
  • #6,721
CrawleySkyBlue said:
Taken from Facebook bondholder group. FYI I’m not a bond holder, merely an interested party.

“Received this email this morning from Redmayne Bentley, who are my brokers in this matter.

Dear Mr XXX

Re: Wasps Finance Plc – Final Redemption (Update)

Further to our previous letter dated 5th July 2022 with regard to your holding of 6.5% bonds due 13th May 2022 (bonds) in Wasps Finance Plc (Wasps), we are writing to inform you of a further update to the refinancing and redemption of the bonds.

Wasps made an announcement on 2nd September 2022 confirming that it has received an offer which would see the bonds fully redeemed on completion of this refinancing. Discussions with this lender are at an advanced stage.

Wasps remains in discussions with the UK Listing Authority in relation to the re-listing and subsequent re-admission of the bonds to the London Stock Exchange however there is no guarantee that this process will be concluded before the completion of this proposed refinancing.

As you hold £***** nominal of bonds, we can confirm that you are due to receive £*****. The cash proceeds will be allocated to your account upon receipt. We will send a confirmation letter in due course once the cash proceeds have been credited to your account. If the redemption of the bonds is further delayed or any new information becomes available, then we will write to you to advise.

In parallel with these discussions, Wasps is proceeding with developing the proposed bond terms to be amended as part of any consent solicitation memorandum, should these refinancing discussions not complete.

If you require any further information, please contact the Dealing Room on ***********.

Yours sincerely,

Debbie Rimmer

Head of Asset Services & Settlements”
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That Debbie is pure filth
 
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Gynnsthetonic

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  • Sep 16, 2022
  • #6,722
CrawleySkyBlue said:
Basically saying that refinancing discussions continue. Hardly an update
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Or discussions are not happening and never have , they're just hoping they do
 
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duffer

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  • Sep 16, 2022
  • #6,723
CrawleySkyBlue said:
Taken from Facebook bondholder group. FYI I’m not a bond holder, merely an interested party.

“Received this email this morning from Redmayne Bentley, who are my brokers in this matter.

Dear Mr XXX

Re: Wasps Finance Plc – Final Redemption (Update)

Further to our previous letter dated 5th July 2022 with regard to your holding of 6.5% bonds due 13th May 2022 (bonds) in Wasps Finance Plc (Wasps), we are writing to inform you of a further update to the refinancing and redemption of the bonds.

Wasps made an announcement on 2nd September 2022 confirming that it has received an offer which would see the bonds fully redeemed on completion of this refinancing. Discussions with this lender are at an advanced stage.

Wasps remains in discussions with the UK Listing Authority in relation to the re-listing and subsequent re-admission of the bonds to the London Stock Exchange however there is no guarantee that this process will be concluded before the completion of this proposed refinancing.

As you hold £***** nominal of bonds, we can confirm that you are due to receive £*****. The cash proceeds will be allocated to your account upon receipt. We will send a confirmation letter in due course once the cash proceeds have been credited to your account. If the redemption of the bonds is further delayed or any new information becomes available, then we will write to you to advise.

In parallel with these discussions, Wasps is proceeding with developing the proposed bond terms to be amended as part of any consent solicitation memorandum, should these refinancing discussions not complete.

If you require any further information, please contact the Dealing Room on ***********.

Yours sincerely,

Debbie Rimmer

Head of Asset Services & Settlements”
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Unless I've misread it, that's the broker basically saying that there's been nothing from Wasps since 2nd September. I could have told them that, and I bet I'd charge less than the broker too.

Wasps are desperate to stall any action from the bondholders because they know that would be the beginning of the end. They've been in "advanced discussions" before, as I recall...
 
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CrawleySkyBlue

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  • Sep 16, 2022
  • #6,724
Covkid1968# said:
That Debbie is pure filth
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Knew that was coming…
 
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wingy

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  • Sep 16, 2022
  • #6,725
Listing authority/ no guarantee/in parallel.
 

Gynnsthetonic

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  • Sep 16, 2022
  • #6,726
Covkid1968# said:
That Debbie is pure filth
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Covkid1968# said:
That Debbie is pure filth
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Well she did do Dallas!
 

MalcSB

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  • Sep 16, 2022
  • #6,727
duffer said:
Unless I've misread it, that's the broker basically saying that there's been nothing from Wasps since 2nd September. I could have told them that, and I bet I'd charge less than the broker too.

Wasps are desperate to stall any action from the bondholders because they know that would be the beginning of the end. They've been in "advanced discussions" before, as I recall...
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It’s the broker taking 2 weeks to inform their clients, which is pretty poor. No wonder many of them knew nothing about the consent solicitation from October 20
 
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MalcSB

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  • Sep 16, 2022
  • #6,728
From Drunken Wasps

“Bondholder meeting planned to vote on a resolution to appoint an administrator to recoup the money owed as far as possible. Meeting will be in a few weeks, in the meantime the security is being reviewed at Wasps expense. Wasps are aware of the intended meeting.”
 
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wingy

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  • Sep 16, 2022
  • #6,729
Wonder if they've pursued it with or without the office of the Trustees ?
 

MalcSB

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  • Sep 17, 2022
  • #6,730
wingy said:
Wonder if they've pursued it with or without the office of the Trustees ?
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With trustees. It is the trustees who have ordered the review of the security.
 

Colin Steins Smile

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  • Sep 17, 2022
  • #6,731
Alongside the issues of repayment to the bondholders is also the reported outstanding tax bill due to HMRC. I don't understand how a business [Worcester] can have circa £6m of outstanding payments due within a short time.

Employer payments are due quartely and I accept corporation tax is paid annually, but that's only on profits and Worcester Warriors and Wasps Holdings doesn't make any!

So my question to those far more knowledgable than me is: Why have HMRC allowed the outstanding payments to build up without action earlier?
 
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oldfiver

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  • Sep 17, 2022
  • #6,732

Wasps 8-23 Bristol Bears REPORT and reaction from CBS Arena

Gallagher Premiership round two clash took place at the Coventry Building Society Arena
www.coventrytelegraph.net
 
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Peter Billing Eyes

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  • Sep 17, 2022
  • #6,733
Taken from Twitter -
 

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Terry Gibson's perm

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  • Sep 17, 2022
  • #6,734
Peter Billing Eyes said:
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Another full house
 
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MalcSB

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  • Sep 17, 2022
  • #6,735
When/ where do they publish attendance figures?
 

duffer

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  • Sep 17, 2022
  • #6,736
MalcSB said:
When/ where do they publish attendance figures?
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Wasps in particular seem to try very hard not to publish their attendance figures. Can't think why.
 
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djbooth

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  • Sep 17, 2022
  • #6,737
lol
Peter Billing Eyes said:
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I think there is more people on the pitch…
 

Frostie

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  • Sep 17, 2022
  • #6,738
MalcSB said:
When/ where do they publish attendance figures?
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They only count those that pay to attend now:



*Yes I know I've cracked this joke before but it still amuses me.
 
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duffer

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  • Sep 17, 2022
  • #6,739


Busy in the corporates too...
 
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Gynnsthetonic

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  • Sep 17, 2022
  • #6,740
duffer said:
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Busy in the corporates too...
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To be fair both the posted pics are during the warm up
 
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Peter Billing Eyes

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  • Sep 17, 2022
  • #6,741
Gynnsthetonic said:
To be fair both the posted pics are during the warm up
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That makes sense, then. There must’ve been 20,000 people still queueing to get in.
 

Philosoraptor

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  • Sep 17, 2022
  • #6,742
Outstanding...

 

chiefdave

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  • Sep 17, 2022
  • #6,743
Peter Billing Eyes said:
That makes sense, then. There must’ve been 20,000 people still queueing to get in.
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Yeah it was basically full once the game started



 
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Philosoraptor

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  • Sep 17, 2022
  • #6,744
chiefdave said:
Yeah it was basically full once the game started

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Does this included the corporate free ticket giveaway?
 
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ccfc922

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  • Sep 17, 2022
  • #6,745
Am I right in thinking that if they finish last, they don't get relegated? Thought there was some form of vote in the Premiership Rugby format?
 

pusbccfc

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  • Sep 17, 2022
  • #6,746
chiefdave said:
Yeah it was basically full once the game started

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I'd guess around 3000.
 

Gynnsthetonic

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  • Sep 17, 2022
  • #6,747
ccfc922 said:
Am I right in thinking that if they finish last, they don't get relegated? Thought there was some form of vote in the Premiership Rugby format?
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Yes, their fans on their forum are worried about a forthcoming relegation battle, they don't even know the format of the current system with no relegation
 
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pusbccfc

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  • Sep 17, 2022
  • #6,748
ccfc922 said:
Am I right in thinking that if they finish last, they don't get relegated? Thought there was some form of vote in the Premiership Rugby format?
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Another reason why Rugby is a dreadful sport.
 
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Frostie

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  • Sep 18, 2022
  • #6,749
chiefdave said:
Yeah it was basically full once the game started

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Was this their season opener too?
i.e. when you would probably expect to see one of your biggest crowds of the season?
 

Kneeza

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  • Sep 18, 2022
  • #6,750
Frostie said:
Was this their season opener too?
i.e. when you would probably expect to see one of your biggest crowds of the season?
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Yes, and yes.
 
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Peter Billing Eyes

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  • Sep 18, 2022
  • #6,751
A January bottom of the table clash would halve this number, I bet. They are now competing with Cov Rugby for attendances and I reckon there are still plenty of complementary Wasps tickets going around so Cov probably have more paying punters.
 
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Moff

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  • Sep 18, 2022
  • #6,752
Frostie said:
Was this their season opener too?
i.e. when you would probably expect to see one of your biggest crowds of the season?
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I drove by the stadium yesterday when the game was on, not knowing a game was on, as it was nearly as empty as a normal non match day.
 
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chiefdave

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  • Sep 18, 2022
  • #6,753
Peter Billing Eyes said:
A January bottom of the table clash would halve this number, I bet. They are now competing with Cov Rugby for attendances and I reckon there are still plenty of complementary Wasps tickets going around so Cov probably have more paying punters.
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There was a page on their website after the CWG where anyone could put their email address in and get free tickets. Literally no requirement other than having an email address.
 

Grendel

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  • Sep 18, 2022
  • #6,754
Moving back to London makes zero economic sense - it’s never going to happen
 

Terry Gibson's perm

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  • Sep 18, 2022
  • #6,755
Grendel said:
Moving back to London makes zero economic sense - it’s never going to happen
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Looking at them staying makes little economic sense either
 
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