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Gynnsthetonic

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  • Sep 1, 2022
  • #6,546
They keep mentioning selling the stadium for a knock down £28m, who though will pay that for it, its back to where we were before, its worthless!
 

Grendel

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  • Sep 1, 2022
  • #6,547
oldfiver said:
The first target to meet direct with Trustee is believed to have been met

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Yes I’ve seen the claim
 

Gynnsthetonic

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  • Sep 2, 2022
  • #6,548
What happens now then, they just keep hold of £35m and do nothing and it all gets brushed under the carpet
 

Gynnsthetonic

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  • Sep 2, 2022
  • #6,549
The bond announcement regarding the extension to the refinancing has also disappeared from the Wasp Fc main website
 
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MalcSB

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  • Sep 2, 2022
  • #6,550
Gynnsthetonic said:
The bond announcement regarding the extension to the refinancing has also disappeared from the Wasp Fc main website
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Which one? Tye one saying expect to refinance/ redeem by 12 August is still there,
 

MalcSB

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  • Sep 2, 2022
  • #6,551
All the statements are still available on various investor sites, perhaps they have removed it and from the offal so that lazy Wasps fans don’t stumble across it on their website by accident.
 

Gynnsthetonic

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  • Sep 2, 2022
  • #6,552
MalcSB said:
All the statements are still available on various investor sites, perhaps they have removed it and from the offal so that lazy Wasps fans don’t stumble across it on their website by accident.
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Just going by Drunken Wasp site from Kentwasp1
 

Philosoraptor

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  • Sep 2, 2022
  • #6,553
Gynnsthetonic said:
What happens now then, they just keep hold of £35m and do nothing and it all gets brushed under the carpet
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I don't think even a very plush carpet is going to hide that sort of huge bump.
 
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Philosoraptor

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  • Sep 2, 2022
  • #6,554
I think the question a lot of bondholders should be asking is; when are they going to get their investment back, and not just the interest on their investment?
 
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oldfiver

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  • Sep 2, 2022
  • #6,555
Philosorapter said:
I think the question a lot of bondholders should be asking is; when are they going to get their investment back, and not just the interest on their investment?
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The other question should be when will CCC/WMCA decide they are not a proper business to dish out grants to
 
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chiefdave

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  • Sep 2, 2022
  • #6,556
duffer said:
Not illegal, but they clearly said that they would formalise a consent solicitation process in August, and they've evidently not done so.
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Its good news apparently, talk about heads in the sand
There's no need to launch a consent solicitation process if the bond is simply going to be paid.
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oldfiver

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  • Sep 2, 2022
  • #6,557
chiefdave said:
Its good news apparently, talk about heads in the sand
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So why will they not communicate with the Bondholders?
 

Liquid Gold

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  • Sep 2, 2022
  • #6,558
oldfiver said:
So why will they not communicate with the Bondholders?
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Nice surprise for them to get their money back?

I jest but there is probably some mad insect that thinks that is the case.
 
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MalcSB

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  • Sep 2, 2022
  • #6,559
chiefdave said:
Its good news apparently, talk about heads in the sand
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Dawkins must be right then.
 
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CCFC54321

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  • Sep 2, 2022
  • #6,560
MalcSB said:
Dawkins must be right then.
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That’s just him saying that a week or so ago they had good news. Nothings come out to substantiate that comment.
 
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oldfiver

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  • Sep 2, 2022
  • #6,561

London Stock Exchange | London Stock Exchange

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CCFC54321

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  • Sep 2, 2022
  • #6,562
oldfiver said:

London Stock Exchange | London Stock Exchange

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As it’s says it’s in advanced discussions and nothing more than a holding statement to appease the bond holders.

No different from the last statement.
 
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oldfiver

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  • Sep 2, 2022
  • #6,563
CCFC54321 said:
A it’s says it’s in advanced discussions and nothing more than a holding statement to appease the bond holders.

No different the last statement.
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Quite!
 

Gynnsthetonic

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  • Sep 2, 2022
  • #6,564
Shugs says excellent news indeed. What's excellent about it, that guys on the wind up
 

chiefdave

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  • Sep 2, 2022
  • #6,565
Months ago they were releasing statements saying similar, what makes anyone owned money think things will be different this tie round? Reads to me as more stalling and hoping the bond holders will just sit on their hands and do nothing while not getting their money back on some vague promise better times lie ahead.
 
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Terry Gibson's perm

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  • Sep 2, 2022
  • #6,566
You have to think that if they have got a loan to cover it the rates will be astronomical.
 
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Gynnsthetonic

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  • Sep 2, 2022
  • #6,567
chiefdave said:
Months ago they were releasing statements saying similar, what makes anyone owned money think things will be different this tie round? Reads to me as more stalling and hoping the bond holders will just sit on their hands and do nothing while not getting their money back on some vague promise better times lie ahead.
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I'd imagine they've come out with this statement because they know the bondholders are gathering force and want to halt their proceedings against Wasp to cash in on the bond at a reduced rate meaning bye bye Wasp
 
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jordan210

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  • Sep 2, 2022
  • #6,568
I thought they where all ready at advance stages with HSBC about 6 months ago.....

I bet the 6.5% they have to pay bond holders is a damn site cheaper than what they have been offered elsewhere to cover the bond
 

Gynnsthetonic

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  • Sep 2, 2022
  • #6,569
jordan210 said:
I thought they where all ready at advance stages with HSBC about 6 months ago.....

I bet the 6.5% they have to pay bond holders is a damn site cheaper than what they have been offered elsewhere to cover the bond
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All in place ready to go according to Shugs
 
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CCFC54321

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  • Sep 2, 2022
  • #6,570
Despite what that Dawkins chappie is saying on Twitter he hasn’t or didn’t have anything new to unveil. The statement is re worded from the last and significantly doesn’t say any time frame for repayment.

It’s a reworded holding statement that’s meaningless in all entirely.
 

Liquid Gold

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  • Sep 2, 2022
  • #6,571
Come on bond holders. We’re all behind you.
 
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SBAndy

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  • Sep 3, 2022
  • #6,572
jordan210 said:
I bet the 6.5% they have to pay bond holders is a damn site cheaper than what they have been offered elsewhere to cover the bond
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Definitely. They were probably looking at realistic rates of 9-13% at the start of this year. Now probably getting to 15% with Base Rate and LIBOR changes.
 

chiefdave

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  • Sep 3, 2022
  • #6,573
given they have had years with essentially an interest only loan, and even to meet the payments on that they had to borrow enough to ring fence money for the interest payments, how on bath are they going to service a loan at a higher interest rate moving forward?

I don't see any business plan that is going to give them that kind of turn around, it will need millions a year and they need to generate millions more a year just to break even.

Am I missing something as their supporters seem to be in celebratory mode but is this not just delaying the inevitable?
 
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Grendel

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  • Sep 3, 2022
  • #6,574
chiefdave said:
given they have had years with essentially an interest only loan, and even to meet the payments on that they had to borrow enough to ring fence money for the interest payments, how on bath are they going to service a loan at a higher interest rate moving forward?

I don't see any business plan that is going to give them that kind of turn around, it will need millions a year and they need to generate millions more a year just to break even.

Am I missing something as their supporters seem to be in celebratory mode but is this not just delaying the inevitable?
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If they are really looking to borrow and have any chance of achieving it you’d assume it’s over much longer - 25 or even 40 years with the head lease signed over if it defaults
 

Grendel

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  • Sep 3, 2022
  • #6,575
40 years at 12% would be £4 million a year
 
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CCFC54321

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  • Sep 3, 2022
  • #6,576
chiefdave said:
given they have had years with essentially an interest only loan, and even to meet the payments on that they had to borrow enough to ring fence money for the interest payments, how on bath are they going to service a loan at a higher interest rate moving forward?

I don't see any business plan that is going to give them that kind of turn around, it will need millions a year and they need to generate millions more a year just to break even.

Am I missing something as their supporters seem to be in celebratory mode but is this not just delaying the inevitable?
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Reading the wasps bond site they don’t believe wasps and think there in worse position as they have no timeline of payment at all.

Nothing to see here as the situation is still the same prior to the ‘statement’. It’s like going to one of those loan sharks at unpayable interest rate.

It’ll catch up eventually even if they do refinance the loan.
 

chiefdave

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  • Sep 3, 2022
  • #6,577
Grendel said:
40 years at 12% would be £4 million a year
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but where does that £4m a year come from when they're losing millions a year already?
 
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Liquid Gold

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  • Sep 3, 2022
  • #6,578
This has got to be the worst possible time to refinance with interest rates skyrocketing.
 

chiefdave

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  • Sep 3, 2022
  • #6,579

Storm clouds hang over Premiership with clubs facing uncertain future

The domestic season launch has been overshadowed by the impending financial peril highlighted by the plight of Worcester
www.theguardian.com
 

Moff

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  • Sep 3, 2022
  • #6,580
chiefdave said:

Storm clouds hang over Premiership with clubs facing uncertain future

The domestic season launch has been overshadowed by the impending financial peril highlighted by the plight of Worcester
www.theguardian.com
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I just read that.

It makes me wonder if they were pointedly told or warned to keep Wasps out of that article, whilst focussing on the basket case that Worcester, and Rugby as a whole, is.
 
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