Match Thread Walsall vs. Coventry City Match Thread - Saturday 8th Dec (2 Viewers)

steve82 · Dec 5, 2018

Not optimistic of the win at all, a draw is the likely outcome for me.

Andy Cook I was really impressed with in the Cup game, a old fashioned striker who created gaps for others giving Hyam and Willis a difficult afternoon.

He’s pivotal to Walsall’s build up play so he needs close attention

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itsabuzzard · Dec 6, 2018

shmmeee said:
Why not? Who does it harm?
I like it personally for two reasons:

- I’m a data geek so I like mathematical modes and I like football and this is a mathematical model of football, and the fact I don’t quite get it makes it interesting
- It’s now SBT transition and a match thread wouldn’t be the same without it

Well said.

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Otis · Dec 6, 2018

shmmeee said:
Why not? Who does it harm?
I like it personally for two reasons:

- I’m a data geek so I like mathematical modes and I like football and this is a mathematical model of football, and the fact I don’t quite get it makes it interesting
- It’s now SBT transition and a match thread wouldn’t be the same without it

That's a nonsense, Shmmeee.

None of us understand Brexit either, but you don't see any of us keep banging on about that every week.

CanadianCCFC · Dec 6, 2018

Sky_Blue_Dreamer said:
--------------------Burge
Sterling*----Willis----Davies---Brown
Thomas----Doyle---Bayliss---Hiwula
---------------Baka------JCH

I think one of the CB's won't be fit, so Hyam will probably play. Also Grimmer if Sterling isn't ready.
I'm keeping Doyle in as we've had a good rest from our last game and I'm treating it as last chance for Bayliss and Hiwula to impress before getting dropped.
Chaplin dropped to the bench for a game just to see how he reacts - will it spur him on or will he sulk?

I'll go for 1-1.

Are you mad?

skybluegod · Dec 6, 2018

shmmeee said:
Why not? Who does it harm?
I like it personally for two reasons:

- I’m a data geek so I like mathematical modes and I like football and this is a mathematical model of football, and the fact I don’t quite get it makes it interesting
- It’s now SBT transition and a match thread wouldn’t be the same without it

As i said genuine question, I wasn't having a go... I didn't say it harmed anyone so that's an odd comment?

I was asking because I hadn't seen anyone respond without confusion, but if you like it then fair enough, you are the only one i have seen!
A SBT transition? What are we transitioning to?

Sick Boy · Dec 6, 2018

I don't get it either but if he and other enjoy it, let them be. There's a thread here which explains it Glicko-2

Sky Blue Harry H · Dec 6, 2018

Can't remember who, but didn't some manager base his tactics around a statistician who showed that as most goals were scored from one area of the pitch (i.e the final third - don't laugh), that manager then insisted in the long ball all the time, i.e. getting the ball in the final third. Apologies for such a poor description, somebody with a better memory and more eloquence, will explain it better!

Edit: do I win an award from itsabuzzard for the longest, worst punctuated paragraph?

Gibbo · Dec 6, 2018

Sky Blue Harry H said:
Can't remember who, but didn't some manager base his tactics around a statistician who showed that as most goals were scored from one area of the pitch (i.e the final third - don't laugh), that manager then insisted in the long ball all the time, i.e. getting the ball in the final third. Apologies for such a poor description, somebody with a better memory and more eloquence, will explain it better!

Edit: do I win an award from itsabuzzard for the longest, worst punctuated paragraph?

It might have been a man called Charles Hughes who was the leading FA coach in the late 50's early 60's iirc

clint van damme · Dec 6, 2018

Gibbo said:
It might have been a man called Charles Hughes who was the leading FA coach in the late 50's early 60's iirc

it was.
POMO - position of maximum opportunity. Which basically meant lumping it forward to a couple of units.
The last English man to win the league, Howard Wilkinson, was a massive exponent of his philosophies.

Liquid Gold · Dec 6, 2018

Big Sam is also a massive statistician, apparently his methods are a lot more complex than they seem.

Anyway, for this game please play Tom Davies, we need our best players on the pitch and the effect he has on set pieces warrants his inclusion alone.

Cranfield Sky Blue · Dec 6, 2018

Sky_Blue_Dreamer said:
--------------------Burge
Sterling*----Willis----Davies---Brown
Thomas----Doyle---Bayliss---Hiwula
---------------Baka------JCH

I think one of the CB's won't be fit, so Hyam will probably play. Also Grimmer if Sterling isn't ready.
I'm keeping Doyle in as we've had a good rest from our last game and I'm treating it as last chance for Bayliss and Hiwula to impress before getting dropped.
Chaplin dropped to the bench for a game just to see how he reacts - will it spur him on or will he sulk?

I'll go for 1-1.

I like the look of that team! MR won’t drop Chaplin, surely?

cov_george · Dec 6, 2018

lord_garrincha · Dec 6, 2018

John Beck was one of the long ball dinosaurs too... then the last of that breed at Prem level was Aidy Boothroyd.

It shocks me how he is with the England Under 21s now!

Macca · Dec 6, 2018

See a severe bumming in this one I'm afraid

Mucca Mad Boys · Dec 6, 2018

The optimistic side of me thinks we’ll win this game. We were the better side in the cup game and hopefully changes made will be positive and we get a good result. A draw wouldn’t be shabby at all.

CV22SBA · Dec 6, 2018

Back to winning ways I feel. We were by far the better team in the cup without our best 11, still can’t believe we lost that game.

Sky_Blue_Dreamer · Dec 6, 2018

CanadianCCFC said:
Are you mad?

Possibly.

It's really easy during a good run to just come on and say "as you were". Harder during a bad spell because you feel something needs to change, but what exactly? Should you keep on persevering with the same team as they did well a few weeks ago? After all, stability breeds success supposedly (but wrongly).

I could've taken Bayliss out for Kelly, but we've seen so little of him recently will he be able to last the 90 mins? Should've I have put him in to start with the intention of subbing him for Bayliss?

Hiwula could've been taken out, but who for? Shipley? Bring Mason in as a LM? In the end I just went for Hiwula for the ex-player thing. Hardly a scientific reason but there we have it.

Something had to change up front and if I went Chaplin/Baka there's no strong presence holding the ball up, but with JCH you never know if he's going to either. After the misses last week it just seems that Chaplin can't complain about being rested and with Baka again there's the old club thing.

Having said that, and in reply to Cranfield, I can't see MR dropping Chaplin.

shmmeee · Dec 7, 2018

If all fit Id go for:

Burge
Sterling Willis Davies Brown
Bayliss Doyle Kelly Thomas
JCH Chaplin

clint van damme · Dec 7, 2018

shmmeee said:
If all fit Id go for:

Burge
Sterling Willis Davies Brown
Bayliss Doyle Kelly Thomas
JCH Chaplin

that's the team I'd go with.

itsabuzzard · Dec 7, 2018

Sky Blue Harry H said:
Can't remember who, but didn't some manager base his tactics around a statistician who showed that as most goals were scored from one area of the pitch (i.e the final third - don't laugh), that manager then insisted in the long ball all the time, i.e. getting the ball in the final third. Apologies for such a poor description, somebody with a better memory and more eloquence, will explain it better!

Edit: do I win an award from itsabuzzard for the longest, worst punctuated paragraph?

It's a good length, as they say. Punctuation's fine.

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Nick · Dec 7, 2018

itsabuzzard said:
It's a good length, as they say. Punctuation's fine.

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What is a good length?

itsabuzzard · Dec 7, 2018

Nick said:
What is a good length?

Ask a cricketer.

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Nick · Dec 7, 2018

Added Bets - https://skybluestalk.co.uk/sportsbook/

shmmeee · Dec 7, 2018

skybluegod said:
As i said genuine question, I wasn't having a go... I didn't say it harmed anyone so that's an odd comment?

I was asking because I hadn't seen anyone respond without confusion, but if you like it then fair enough, you are the only one i have seen!
A SBT transition? What are we transitioning to?

We’re all stunning and brave trans women now.

Didn’t mean to sound if I was having a go. Just sticking up for our resident geek

Nick · Dec 7, 2018

I have no idea what he is talking about but it makes sense to him and he is harmless.

Liquid Gold · Dec 7, 2018

If anybody has a spare I need an extra one, ta.

itsabuzzard · Dec 7, 2018

Nick said:
I have no idea what he is talking about but it makes sense to him and he is harmless.

This could apply to just about every poster on here...

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Nick · Dec 7, 2018

Looks like Chaplin is starting!

Joy Division · Dec 7, 2018

Liquid Gold said:
If anybody has a spare I need an extra one, ta.

Didn't realise this had sold out!

Razzle Dazzle Dean Gordon · Dec 7, 2018

Well my head tells me it's going to be a defeat and possibly quite ugly atmosphere up there.....but i'll go positive and say 2-1 City via a Bakayoko late show.

Hopefully we can get ourselves out of this little rut we've found ourselves in, if we could just be more clinical around the box we'll be fine. I'd like to see Doyle rotated out for a bit, even if just to see if Ogogo or Kelly can realistically play a part for us or not.

Liquid Gold · Dec 7, 2018

Atmosphere is going to be toxic.

Philosoraptor · Dec 7, 2018

shmmeee said:
"...resident geek "

I recommend a few moments in the 'Chamber of Understanding'.

Philosoraptor · Dec 7, 2018

All we need to do is to win more matches whllst losing less matches and we will start to climb again.

100 rating points climb from now till the end of the season would be a great target.

I think seeing how everything Is evening itself out, a rating of 1620 ish should be enough for a top six finish or there abouts.

We've already hit 1586 this season. A few more points is definitely doable and plenty of time to get them in.

It's consistency when having a high rating is the problem, a loss will knock you down a lot of points. It's not just about picking yourself up and going at it again, but the speed you can do this in.

You will hit a rating ceiling. It's all about trying to push back this boundary and keep moving forward or trying to keep as close as possible to the rating ceiling.

RegTheDonk · Dec 7, 2018

Extended break should give more time to get people fit and more practice at free kicks. Physical game, so I reckon we'll get a few chances from set plays. Local derby and our away following will do us proud. Bouncing back with a win, get us back on track. 1-3.

Nick · Dec 7, 2018

It will be interesting to see how he sets us up. He said today about us learning our lessons while still being able to create chances so it sounded a bit defense minded.

I wonder if he will make a change in midfield to make us a bit more defensive, Shipley for Hiwula or Kelly coming back in maybe?

Chaplin and JCH will probably start.

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