USSR invades Ukraine. (5 Viewers)

[Grendel]

Because that would actually make Putin think twice

I don’t see why - the US would immediately reject any military involvement and wouldn’t support the motion anyway. Can’t see China being keen either.

 

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[Brighton Sky Blue]

I don’t see why - the US would immediately reject any military involvement and wouldn’t support the motion anyway. Can’t see China being keen either.

The US would reject the NATO treaty?

 

[Grendel]

The US would reject the NATO treaty?

There is no Article within the treaty that forces military action by any member.

 

[Brighton Sky Blue]

There is no Article within the treaty that forces military action by any member.

The treaty states that an attack on one member state is considered an attack on all.

 

[Grendel]

The treaty states that an attack on one member state is considered an attack on all.

And? It then says that each member state decides its own appropriate action - which can mean sanctions only.

 

[Sky Blue Pete]

Might makes right. Russia is bigger than Ukraine so clearly Ukraine should hand over its land. Israel is bigger than Palestine so clearly Palestine should let itself be annexed.

Is it too late for Britain to have its empire back?

Yes

 

[Sky Blue Pete]

So Russia makes no compromises?

Stops killing people I suppose that’s something

 

[Sky Blue Pete]

Trump making all efforts to stop this war.
Let's wish him well in first establishing a ceasefire.

He’s failed miserably by deciding it’s more about him that Ukraine and Russia
You can’t make peace without the two sides talking and being aided to talking by another party
He’s got this like many things utterly wrong

 

[Sky Blue Pete]

No need. Trump speaks better Russian than Putin, believe me.

The best Russian so I’ve been told
He evented the term Russia wasn’t ever used before he said it now everyone uses the term

 

[Grendel]

He’s failed miserably by deciding it’s more about him that Ukraine and Russia
You can’t make peace without the two sides talking and being aided to talking by another party
He’s got this like many things utterly wrong

It’s the only hope of ending this pointless war

 

[Sky Blue Pete]

It’s the only hope of ending this pointless war

I’m not sure but it’s certainly better than the bully getting to beat the smaller neighbour
The pointless war started by Russia thinking it would take 5hrs and Ukraine would capitulate?
You’ve read how these conflicts are resolved before we all have
It’s not by a narcissist trying to impose his will on another narcissist
It’s good old fashioned talking between the two parties

 

[Sick Boy]

I’m not sure but it’s certainly better than the bully getting to beat the smaller neighbour
The pointless war started by Russia thinking it would take 5hrs and Ukraine would capitulate?
You’ve read how these conflicts are resolved before we all have
It’s not by a narcissist trying to impose his will on another narcissist
It’s good old fashioned talking between the two parties

The alternative is that Ukraine is completely destroyed or European countries send in soldiers.

 

[Sky Blue Pete]

The alternative is that Ukraine is completely destroyed or European countries send in soldiers.

It’s nuanced that’s not the only alternative at all
Genuine discussions probably European led not us led although that would be ok if it wasn’t trump. Conflict resolution is desperately hard and there are experts

 

[Grendel]

It’s nuanced that’s not the only alternative at all
Genuine discussions probably European led not us led although that would be ok if it wasn’t trump. Conflict resolution is desperately hard and there are experts

Without Trump Ukraine couldn’t realistically carry on anyway

 

[Sky Blue Pete]

Without Trump Ukraine couldn’t realistically carry on anyway

Without congress mandated support from the USA yes

 

[Grendel]

Without congress mandated support from the USA yes

Trunp then

 

[Sky Blue Pete]

Trunp then

It’s not important grendel
What is is who does it benefit for the aggression to be rewarded? Dangerous period of world history this

 

[Grendel]

It’s not important grendel
What is is who does it benefit for the aggression to be rewarded? Dangerous period of world history this

No one has ever stopped US aggression have they?

 

[SkyBlueDom26]

Trump the legend will get it sorted, think he could give everyone on here a million quid and still be hated

 

[Brighton Sky Blue]

The alternative is that Ukraine is completely destroyed or European countries send in soldiers.

Without something that will actually deter a future invasion, another invasion is inevitable.

It is entirely in Putin’s gift to stop the killing

 

[Grendel]

Without something that will actually deter a future invasion, another invasion is inevitable.

It is entirely in Putin’s gift to stop the killing

It’s also within Zelensky gift?

 

[Brighton Sky Blue]

It’s also within Zelensky gift?

How so?

 

[Grendel]

How so?

He could surrender

 

[Sky Blue Pete]

He could surrender

Wow really?

 

[Grendel]

Wow really?

He could. It’s as absurd as saying Putin will withdraw - so why say it?

At some point though Zelensky has to agree territorial concessions.

 

[Brighton Sky Blue]

He could. It’s as absurd as saying Putin will withdraw - so why say it?

At some point though Zelensky has to agree territorial concessions.

Which is tolerable provided there’s an effective safeguard against future invasion.

 

[Sky Blue Pete]

He could. It’s as absurd as saying Putin will withdraw - so why say it?

At some point though Zelensky has to agree territorial concessions.

Agreed

 

[Sky Blue Pete]

Which is tolerable provided there’s an effective safeguard against future invasion.

Agreed

 

[SkyBlueDom26]

Trump is that guy

 

[SkyBlueDom26]

 

[Sky Blue Pete]

Such an absolute cxxt

 

[SBT]

Trump standing on the tarmac clapping Putin’s arrival like Gus Hamer just jogged over to take a corner