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USSR invades Ukraine. (4 Viewers)

  • Thread starter Alan Dugdales Moustache
  • Start date Feb 22, 2022
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Grendel

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  • Aug 15, 2025
  • #10,326
Brighton Sky Blue said:
Because that would actually make Putin think twice
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I don’t see why - the US would immediately reject any military involvement and wouldn’t support the motion anyway. Can’t see China being keen either.
 

Brighton Sky Blue

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  • Aug 15, 2025
  • #10,327
Grendel said:
I don’t see why - the US would immediately reject any military involvement and wouldn’t support the motion anyway. Can’t see China being keen either.
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The US would reject the NATO treaty?
 

Grendel

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  • Aug 15, 2025
  • #10,328
Brighton Sky Blue said:
The US would reject the NATO treaty?
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There is no Article within the treaty that forces military action by any member.
 

Brighton Sky Blue

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  • Aug 15, 2025
  • #10,329
Grendel said:
There is no Article within the treaty that forces military action by any member.
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The treaty states that an attack on one member state is considered an attack on all.
 

Grendel

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  • Aug 15, 2025
  • #10,330
Brighton Sky Blue said:
The treaty states that an attack on one member state is considered an attack on all.
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And? It then says that each member state decides its own appropriate action - which can mean sanctions only.
 

Sky Blue Pete

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  • Aug 15, 2025
  • #10,331
Brighton Sky Blue said:
Might makes right. Russia is bigger than Ukraine so clearly Ukraine should hand over its land. Israel is bigger than Palestine so clearly Palestine should let itself be annexed.

Is it too late for Britain to have its empire back?
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Yes
 

Sky Blue Pete

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  • Aug 15, 2025
  • #10,332
Brighton Sky Blue said:
So Russia makes no compromises?
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Stops killing people I suppose that’s something
 

Sky Blue Pete

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  • Aug 15, 2025
  • #10,333
CovValleyBoy said:
Trump making all efforts to stop this war.
Let's wish him well in first establishing a ceasefire.
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He’s failed miserably by deciding it’s more about him that Ukraine and Russia
You can’t make peace without the two sides talking and being aided to talking by another party
He’s got this like many things utterly wrong
 

Sky Blue Pete

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  • Aug 15, 2025
  • #10,334
Brighton Sky Blue said:
No need. Trump speaks better Russian than Putin, believe me.
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The best Russian so I’ve been told
He evented the term Russia wasn’t ever used before he said it now everyone uses the term
 

Grendel

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  • Aug 15, 2025
  • #10,335
Sky Blue Pete said:
He’s failed miserably by deciding it’s more about him that Ukraine and Russia
You can’t make peace without the two sides talking and being aided to talking by another party
He’s got this like many things utterly wrong
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It’s the only hope of ending this pointless war
 

Sky Blue Pete

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  • Aug 15, 2025
  • #10,336
Grendel said:
It’s the only hope of ending this pointless war
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I’m not sure but it’s certainly better than the bully getting to beat the smaller neighbour
The pointless war started by Russia thinking it would take 5hrs and Ukraine would capitulate?
You’ve read how these conflicts are resolved before we all have
It’s not by a narcissist trying to impose his will on another narcissist
It’s good old fashioned talking between the two parties
 

Sick Boy

Super Moderator
  • Aug 15, 2025
  • #10,337
Sky Blue Pete said:
I’m not sure but it’s certainly better than the bully getting to beat the smaller neighbour
The pointless war started by Russia thinking it would take 5hrs and Ukraine would capitulate?
You’ve read how these conflicts are resolved before we all have
It’s not by a narcissist trying to impose his will on another narcissist
It’s good old fashioned talking between the two parties
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The alternative is that Ukraine is completely destroyed or European countries send in soldiers.
 

Sky Blue Pete

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  • Aug 15, 2025
  • #10,338
Sick Boy said:
The alternative is that Ukraine is completely destroyed or European countries send in soldiers.
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It’s nuanced that’s not the only alternative at all
Genuine discussions probably European led not us led although that would be ok if it wasn’t trump. Conflict resolution is desperately hard and there are experts
 

Grendel

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  • Aug 15, 2025
  • #10,339
Sky Blue Pete said:
It’s nuanced that’s not the only alternative at all
Genuine discussions probably European led not us led although that would be ok if it wasn’t trump. Conflict resolution is desperately hard and there are experts
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Without Trump Ukraine couldn’t realistically carry on anyway
 

Sky Blue Pete

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  • Aug 15, 2025
  • #10,340
Grendel said:
Without Trump Ukraine couldn’t realistically carry on anyway
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Without congress mandated support from the USA yes
 

Grendel

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  • Aug 15, 2025
  • #10,341
Sky Blue Pete said:
Without congress mandated support from the USA yes
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Trunp then
 

Sky Blue Pete

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  • Aug 15, 2025
  • #10,342
Grendel said:
Trunp then
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It’s not important grendel
What is is who does it benefit for the aggression to be rewarded? Dangerous period of world history this
 

Grendel

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  • Aug 15, 2025
  • #10,343
Sky Blue Pete said:
It’s not important grendel
What is is who does it benefit for the aggression to be rewarded? Dangerous period of world history this
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No one has ever stopped US aggression have they?
 

SkyBlueDom26

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  • Aug 15, 2025
  • #10,344
Trump the legend will get it sorted, think he could give everyone on here a million quid and still be hated
 

Brighton Sky Blue

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  • Aug 15, 2025
  • #10,345
Sick Boy said:
The alternative is that Ukraine is completely destroyed or European countries send in soldiers.
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Without something that will actually deter a future invasion, another invasion is inevitable.

It is entirely in Putin’s gift to stop the killing
 
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Grendel

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  • Aug 15, 2025
  • #10,346
Brighton Sky Blue said:
Without something that will actually deter a future invasion, another invasion is inevitable.

It is entirely in Putin’s gift to stop the killing
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It’s also within Zelensky gift?
 
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Brighton Sky Blue

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  • Aug 15, 2025
  • #10,347
Grendel said:
It’s also within Zelensky gift?
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How so?
 

Grendel

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  • Aug 15, 2025
  • #10,348
Brighton Sky Blue said:
How so?
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He could surrender
 
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Sky Blue Pete

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  • Aug 15, 2025
  • #10,349
Grendel said:
He could surrender
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Wow really?
 

Grendel

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  • Aug 15, 2025
  • #10,350
Sky Blue Pete said:
Wow really?
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He could. It’s as absurd as saying Putin will withdraw - so why say it?

At some point though Zelensky has to agree territorial concessions.
 
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Brighton Sky Blue

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  • Aug 15, 2025
  • #10,351
Grendel said:
He could. It’s as absurd as saying Putin will withdraw - so why say it?

At some point though Zelensky has to agree territorial concessions.
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Which is tolerable provided there’s an effective safeguard against future invasion.
 
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Sky Blue Pete

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  • Aug 15, 2025
  • #10,352
Grendel said:
He could. It’s as absurd as saying Putin will withdraw - so why say it?

At some point though Zelensky has to agree territorial concessions.
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Agreed
 

Sky Blue Pete

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  • Aug 15, 2025
  • #10,353
Brighton Sky Blue said:
Which is tolerable provided there’s an effective safeguard against future invasion.
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Agreed
 

SkyBlueDom26

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  • Aug 15, 2025
  • #10,354
Trump is that guy
 

SkyBlueDom26

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  • Aug 15, 2025
  • #10,355
 

Sky Blue Pete

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  • Aug 15, 2025
  • #10,356
SkyBlueDom26 said:
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Such an absolute cxxt
 
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SBT

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  • Aug 15, 2025
  • #10,357
Trump standing on the tarmac clapping Putin’s arrival like Gus Hamer just jogged over to take a corner
 
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PVA

Well-Known Member
  • Aug 16, 2025
  • #10,358
Nice to see a war criminal get the red carpet treatment and a military flyover.

Sounds like a waste of time.

Art of the deal.

 

Flying Fokker

Well-Known Member
  • Aug 22, 2025
  • #10,359

Trump sends Putin chilling three-word taunt as Ukraine readies huge new bomb

Trump hit back at the Kremlin's attempts to torpedo peace talks with a stinging post to his Truth Social website.
www.express.co.uk
 
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wingy

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  • Sep 4, 2025
  • #10,360
Not really about this but Putin and the Chinese leader have been picked up on a hotmike discussing organ transplats and immortality, fascinating..
 
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