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USSR invades Ukraine. (11 Viewers)

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PVA

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  • Aug 2, 2022
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Sky_Blue_Dreamer

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  • Aug 2, 2022
  • #4,657
Evo1883 said:
Is that how this works? I'm not sure it is ..

The United States of America, comfortably the world's greatest military power since WW2 have struggled in Vietnam against farmers , against Somalian guerrillas and against the taliban .


They dont have a shit army


What this war has proven is that Ukraine is just about keeping its head above water , against a country that has sanctions galore placed on them , whilst being backed by every Western Power possible in the process

In a direct war between Russia and Ukraine without western help it's over quite quickly isn't it ?

I'm glad we are helping them but a bit of perspective
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I think the biggest thing to mention in these is who were the people in a foreign land with all the problems that entails in terms of troops and supplies? Home advantage and a large number of people available for the cause, either willing to fight or at the very least not comply and create difficulties.
 
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Otis

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  • Aug 2, 2022
  • #4,658
Sky_Blue_Dreamer said:
I think the biggest thing to mention in these is who were the people in a foreign land with all the problems that entails in terms of troops and supplies? Home advantage and a large number of people available for the cause, either willing to fight or at the very least not comply and create difficulties.
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It's a massive advantage for Ukraine on home soil and it also seems the Russian soldiers morale has not been great at all in general either. Raw recruits who were told they were on a training exercise etc.
 

Sick Boy

Super Moderator
  • Aug 3, 2022
  • #4,659
PVA said:
Yes I think it was around May time.

But that's the thing - they have stopped! They've made little to no progress since.

Ukraine will never surrender either. They have a constant supply of arms from the west, Russia are resorting to tanks and missiles and other equipment that's 60 years old.

The HIMARS have made a MASSIVE difference.

I don't see how Russia can win from here.
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They don’t have a “constant supply of arms from the west” because eventually it’ll stop if the war continues, especially once the cost of living really hits in the west.
 
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PVA

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  • Aug 3, 2022
  • #4,660
Sick Boy said:
They don’t have a “constant supply of arms from the west” because eventually it’ll stop if the war continues, especially once the cost of living really hits in the west.
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Well they do at the moment and until that changes that statement is true.

Plus polling has shown that people are happy to continue supplying arms to Ukraine, even during a cost of living crisis. Hopefully that holds true.
 
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Brighton Sky Blue

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  • Aug 3, 2022
  • #4,661
Grendel said:
Well what an intelligent response.

You do realise Biden and co really don’t care about this war - Europe don’t care - and now Johnson has gone we don’t care
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Yes no need for a distraction from domestic scandal every 2 minutes
 

jimmyhillsfanclub

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  • Aug 3, 2022
  • #4,662
Talking of constant supplies, I was reading yesterday about the EU now being supplied russian gas and oil via 3rd party nations such as India and Mexico....

....and even before that rather duplicitous practice is explored, its worth remembering the EU have paid russia nearly $100 billion for oil just between the months of March and July 2022

Cher-ching
 
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Flying Fokker

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  • Aug 4, 2022
  • #4,663
Pensioners never had it so good! I have a feeling he‘ll be around a bit longer.
 

Flying Fokker

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  • Aug 4, 2022
  • #4,664

How Ukraine War Will Likely Go Rest of 2022, or, Kherson: The Beginning of the End for Russia

It’s possible Ukraine can push Russia out entirely (including from Crimea & the Donbas) in the coming months; here’s how that would most likely go down. If my last piece focused on the “why” Ukraine will win, this one focuses on the “how.” (Russian/Русский перевод) By Bri
realcontextnews.com
 
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PVA

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  • Aug 4, 2022
  • #4,665
Flying Fokker said:

How Ukraine War Will Likely Go Rest of 2022, or, Kherson: The Beginning of the End for Russia

It’s possible Ukraine can push Russia out entirely (including from Crimea & the Donbas) in the coming months; here’s how that would most likely go down. If my last piece focused on the “why” Ukraine will win, this one focuses on the “how.” (Russian/Русский перевод) By Bri
realcontextnews.com
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A well referenced article.

I'd be interested to hear what those who think Russia will win the war make of that article. (genuinely interested, I'm not antagonising!)
 
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shmmeee

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  • Aug 5, 2022
  • #4,666
Absolute barnstormer of a thread from a Ukrainian in response to that joke of an Amnesty report:

 
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PVA

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  • Aug 9, 2022
  • #4,667
Big hit by Ukraine on a Russian Air base in Crimea which is obviously absolutely miles behind the front line. Seems very significant.
 
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Flying Fokker

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  • Aug 10, 2022
  • #4,668
PVA said:
Big hit by Ukraine on a Russian Air base in Crimea which is obviously absolutely miles behind the front line. Seems very significant.
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Hopefully, but Russia is clear that Crimea is now thirs and that Ukraine will take a mighty blow. Who blinks first. East or West. It only takes one trigger happy idiot to send nukes over.

Russia shot itself In the foot and the sanctions have sent them back to the 1960’s. I’m could have been so different. Russia and more importantly, China need a route out of this current division. We are at loggerheads with them.

so what do we do with China…Educate them in the ways of the west through giving them acces to universities and intellectual property of businesses. Great move if we are talking a free world. I’m not sure China wants things that way?
 
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shmmeee

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  • Aug 10, 2022
  • #4,669
Flying Fokker said:
Hopefully, but Russia is clear that Crimea is now thirs and that Ukraine will take a mighty blow. Who blinks first. East or West. It only takes one trigger happy idiot to send nukes over.

Russia shot itself In the foot and the sanctions have sent them back to the 1960’s. I’m could have been so different. Russia and more importantly, China need a route out of this current division. We are at loggerheads with them.

so what do we do with China…Educate them in the ways of the west through giving them acces to universities and intellectual property of businesses. Great move if we are talking a free world. I’m not sure China wants things that way?
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Wouldn’t trust China as far as I can throw them TBH. Energy and manufacturing dependence both need looking at, energy is easy enough. Might be that we have to take a cost of living hit and make agreements with friendly nations to ramp up manufacturing again and trade with each other.

Relying on one country, especially an anti democratic one, for large chunks of your economy is never a smart move.
 
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tisza

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  • Aug 10, 2022
  • #4,670
Flying Fokker said:
so what do we do with China…Educate them in the ways of the west through giving them acces to universities and intellectual property of businesses. Great move if we are talking a free world. I’m not sure China wants things that way?
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Isn't this the "mistake" that EU made with Russia? A belief (mainly because it worked for Germany post WW2) that prosperous trade would trump political ambitions, temper aggression and oppression. A belief that everybody really wants liberal democracy and healthy trade is a part of achieving that.

Much as EU countries allowed themselves to be too reliant on Russian natural resources they have let China build up a massive trade imbalance with EU. They've ignored the various abuses ( political, human rights and more) for the sake of trade.
 
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Sky_Blue_Dreamer

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  • Aug 10, 2022
  • #4,671
Flying Fokker said:
Hopefully, but Russia is clear that Crimea is now thirs and that Ukraine will take a mighty blow. Who blinks first. East or West. It only takes one trigger happy idiot to send nukes over.

Russia shot itself In the foot and the sanctions have sent them back to the 1960’s. I’m could have been so different. Russia and more importantly, China need a route out of this current division. We are at loggerheads with them.

so what do we do with China…Educate them in the ways of the west through giving them acces to universities and intellectual property of businesses. Great move if we are talking a free world. I’m not sure China wants things that way?
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There's already a large contingent of Chinese students in UK universities and why would they bother with IPR when they flagrantly ignore it constantly with rip-offs.

On a bigger scale in terms of collabs between institutions, again you have to be very careful. The Chinese government has influence everywhere in that country, whether volunteered or by coercion, and are constantly looking for means of undermining the security and systems of other nations. They're not interested in working with others, they're interested in imposing their will on them. Not disimilar to us a few centuries back really.
 
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Sky Blue Pete

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  • Aug 10, 2022
  • #4,672
shmmeee said:
Wouldn’t trust China as far as I can throw them TBH. Energy and manufacturing dependence both need looking at, energy is easy enough. Might be that we have to take a cost of living hit and make agreements with friendly nations to ramp up manufacturing again and trade with each other.

Relying on one country, especially an anti democratic one, for large chunks of your economy is never a smart move.
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Cheap though
 

Flying Fokker

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  • Aug 10, 2022
  • #4,673
Sky_Blue_Dreamer said:
There's already a large contingent of Chinese students in UK universities and why would they bother with IPR when they flagrantly ignore it constantly with rip-offs.

On a bigger scale in terms of collabs between institutions, again you have to be very careful. The Chinese government has influence everywhere in that country, whether volunteered or by coercion, and are constantly looking for means of undermining the security and systems of other nations. They're not interested in working with others, they're interested in imposing their will on them. Not disimilar to us a few centuries back really.
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Yep. All of that….what happens when china pulls said students back? WBS goes Kaput.
 

shmmeee

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  • Aug 11, 2022
  • #4,674
Flying Fokker said:
Yep. All of that….what happens when china pulls said students back? WBS goes Kaput.
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Wont somebody think of the MBAs?
 

shmmeee

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  • Aug 11, 2022
  • #4,675
Massive strike on an airfield in Crimea. Looks like huge losses for the Russians. Lovely stuff.
 
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PVA

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  • Aug 11, 2022
  • #4,676
shmmeee said:
Massive strike on an airfield in Crimea. Looks like huge losses for the Russians. Lovely stuff.
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And they don't know what kind of weapons did it. Which just casts huge doubts in the minds of the Russians.

Now they know they can be hit where they thought they were safe. Way, way behind the front line. Serious failure of Russian air defence as well.


Some top trolling by Ukraine as well:

 
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David O'Day

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  • Aug 15, 2022
  • #4,677
Someone is off to siberia

Ukraine hits Russian Wagner mercenary HQ in east

The Luhansk base was targeted after a Russian journalist revealed its location online, Ukraine claims.
www.bbc.co.uk
 
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skybluetony176

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  • Aug 15, 2022
  • #4,678
David O'Day said:
Someone is off to siberia

Ukraine hits Russian Wagner mercenary HQ in east

The Luhansk base was targeted after a Russian journalist revealed its location online, Ukraine claims.
www.bbc.co.uk
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Do you think he’ll make it that far?
 

David O'Day

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  • Aug 15, 2022
  • #4,679
skybluetony176 said:
Do you think he’ll make it that far?
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those icy roads can be very skiddy
 
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Kieranp96

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  • Aug 29, 2022
  • #4,680
Kherson offensive started, Russians panicking already lost their first defence line and retreating from many cities, also reports both us and uk have recon planes above Kherson and crimera:
 
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shmmeee

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  • Aug 31, 2022
  • #4,681
Fog of war is strong at the moment so hard to tell for sure, but seem to be making decent progress with the counter. Big ask but if they can retake Kherson before the winter it’ll change the face of the war.

Noticed Putin for the first time called it a “special operation in Donbas” which suggests a maybe reality is creeping in for him.
 

Grendel

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  • Aug 31, 2022
  • #4,682
shmmeee said:
Fog of war is strong at the moment so hard to tell for sure, but seem to be making decent progress with the counter. Big ask but if they can retake Kherson before the winter it’ll change the face of the war.

Noticed Putin for the first time called it a “special operation in Donbas” which suggests a maybe reality is creeping in for him.
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Russia have just stop gas supply to the Nord pipeline so I wouldn’t be so sure
 
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Alan Dugdales Moustache

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  • Aug 31, 2022
  • #4,683
shmmeee said:
Fog of war is strong at the moment so hard to tell for sure, but seem to be making decent progress with the counter. Big ask but if they can retake Kherson before the winter it’ll change the face of the war.

Noticed Putin for the first time called it a “special operation in Donbas” which suggests a maybe reality is creeping in for him.
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He's desperate but at the same time he knows cutting the supply is going to cripple western Europe. He wants to see how the west responds given the difficulty he is facing in Ukraine.
I wouldn't underestimate Putin . The injured lion backed into a corner will resort to God knows what . If the rest of Europe shows any weekness over the supply of oil he'll exploit it. NOPM to Russian oil I say !
 

shmmeee

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  • Aug 31, 2022
  • #4,684
Alan Dugdales Moustache said:
He's desperate but at the same time he knows cutting the supply is going to cripple western Europe. He wants to see how the west responds given the difficulty he is facing in Ukraine.
I wouldn't underestimate Putin . The injured lion backed into a corner will resort to God knows what . If the rest of Europe shows any weekness over the supply of oil he'll exploit it. NOPM to Russian oil I say !
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If (and it’s a huge if) he loses Kherson and with it likely the rest of the south coast, he’s going to face a choice of take the separatist regions plus the 2014 annexations and spin it as a win, or the war will reach places like Crimea and even Belgorod and he’s going to get asked some very difficult questions at home.
 

shmmeee

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  • Aug 31, 2022
  • #4,685
Grendel said:
Russia have just stop gas supply to the Nord pipeline so I wouldn’t be so sure
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Germany and France have contributed less than Portugal on a GDP basis. Support comes from mostly the US, Canada, and U.K. with the Eastern EU nations helping out.



If Putin, or you, think making the Germans pay through the nose for gas will stop Ukraine they’re wrong.

And anyway last German polling I saw had 70% support for supporting Ukraine.
 
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CCFCSteve

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  • Aug 31, 2022
  • #4,686
Grendel said:
Russia have just stop gas supply to the Nord pipeline so I wouldn’t be so sure
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There’s so many moving parts though. If Putin keeps the gas turned off to Europe they lose billions of income as I don’t think they can pipe it elsewhere (although don’t quote me on that). I think oil sales to Asia dropped recently, China who they are relying on are in the shit and Europe is dramatically cutting back.

This winter isn’t going to be pretty for anyone. Putins fucked up and all he can do is try to squeeze Europe with energy and threaten nuclear attacks. I agree with comments that him being backed into a corner is a dangerous prospect though
 

Alan Dugdales Moustache

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  • Aug 31, 2022
  • #4,687
CCFCSteve said:
There’s so many moving parts though. If Putin keeps the gas turned off to Europe they lose billions of income as I don’t think they can pipe it elsewhere (although don’t quote me on that). I think oil sales to Asia dropped recently, China who they are relying on are in the shit and Europe is dramatically cutting back.

This winter isn’t going to be pretty for anyone. Putins fucked up and all he can do is try to squeeze Europe with energy and threaten nuclear attacks. I agree with comments that him being backed into a corner is a dangerous prospect though
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I have a log burner and have amassed absolutely loads of bits of old wood and scraps I've picked up recently. It won't warm the house much beyond the living room and even though it goes against my feelings on the environment I'm determined to use as little gas as possible this winter. Blankets and thick curtains. Putin can get lost.
 
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CCFCSteve

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  • Aug 31, 2022
  • #4,688
shmmeee said:
Germany and France have contributed less than Portugal on a GDP basis. Support comes from mostly the US, Canada, and U.K. with the Eastern EU nations helping out.



If Putin, or you, think making the Germans pay through the nose for gas will stop Ukraine they’re wrong.

And anyway last German polling I saw had 70% support for supporting Ukraine.
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Good old France

Edit - that might be a bit unfair if additional support via EU isn’t included in their figure.
 
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Alan Dugdales Moustache

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  • Aug 31, 2022
  • #4,689
CCFCSteve said:
Good old France

Edit - that might be a bit unfair if additional support via EU isn’t included in their figure.
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Napoleon probably thinks as he runs Europe he needn't contribute much.
 

jimmyhillsfanclub

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  • Aug 31, 2022
  • #4,690
CCFCSteve said:
Good old France

Edit - that might be a bit unfair if additional support via EU isn’t included in their figure.
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Surely not France......the biggest foreign employer in Russia.....not France, that last of the big EU beasts to slowly & reluctantly withdraw some, but by no means all, investments & operations from them.....

See that $25 billion in USA aid......now multiply it by 6, add all the other nations contributions in the list and you'll be getting close to the amount the EU has paid Russia for oil in the same period. Joke really innit.
 
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