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Upcoming Changes At The Ricoh (7 Viewers)

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  • Start date Nov 17, 2014
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SIR ERNIE

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  • Nov 17, 2014
  • #106
Grendel said:
I know - they will just have to go and find one someone else built for them - parasites eh?
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No no no,

They're not bright enough to do that.
 

Moff

Well-Known Member
  • Nov 17, 2014
  • #107
skybluefred said:
Like it or not Wasps are doing a fantastic marketing job, in fact just like CCFC should have been doing. They are leaving nothing to chance
in making sure the their fans enjoy the Ricoh experience,making sure they will want to return. This should all of been for CCFC's benefit,
but we all know that (pity our owners didn't recognise it).

With marketing like that Wasps will rapidly climb to the very top of the Rugby Union world.
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You cant be gauging opinion correctly Fred as people like Italia and Dongo quote all the excited people wanting to watch a Premiership Rugby team, so the Ricoh experience is certainly low on the reasons they would go. Lets face it you could make it as enjoyable to visit the stadium as you like but if the quality on the pitch is poor people will soon stay away.

Oh and big crowds and all the revenue streams (although filling your crowd with free tickets doesn't help that cause and lets see how big their attendances are next season) doesn't equate to success in Rugby. They will live under the same salary cap all the other teams do at present, its just that they aren't very good and so top players go to better clubs like the Saints or the Tigers.
 

Como

Well-Known Member
  • Nov 17, 2014
  • #108
If you are Ricoh or Wonga I expect that you will be more interested and pay more with Wasps than without. Or anybody else looking to link themselves.
 

Moff

Well-Known Member
  • Nov 17, 2014
  • #109
skybluefred said:
successful marketing produces huge income which in turn enables the improvement of the end product.
in CCFC's case that means money to invest in players who are good enough to improve our current
diabolical performances into winning ones.The major effect this has is crowd numbers turning up
to support,they increase and so does the revenue which means even more money for squad improvement.

Now I could go on and on but i'm sure that even your's and Grendels mind can understand the points made.
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You could go on, but you obviously dont know about the salary cap and financial rules in Rugby, so you would be barking up the wrong tree.
 

Grendel

Well-Known Member
  • Nov 17, 2014
  • #110
skybluefred said:
successful marketing produces huge income which in turn enables the improvement of the end product.
in CCFC's case that means money to invest in players who are good enough to improve our current
diabolical performances into winning ones.The major effect this has is crowd numbers turning up
to support,they increase and so does the revenue which means even more money for squad improvement.

Now I could go on and on but i'm sure that even your's and Grendels mind can understand the points made.
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You are actually talking rubbish - crowd numbers are measured by success - unless of course you are saying sisu's pricing and marketing strategy in attracting 27,000 to watch a league one game televised and on a Friday night a master stroke in marketing.
 

torchomatic

Well-Known Member
  • Nov 17, 2014
  • #111
Quick! Ring 'em up! Tell them they don't need to give 12K tickets away as the marketing is working a treat.

italiahorse said:
It works for me
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SBT

Well-Known Member
  • Nov 17, 2014
  • #112
Grendel said:
No they don't -- footballers at Newcastle has Wonga as a sponsor -- I saw no objections
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Well, no objections apart from one of their best players

http://www.theguardian.com/football/2013/jul/17/papiss-cisse-newcastle-wonga-shirt
 

skybluefred

New Member
  • Nov 17, 2014
  • #113
Moff said:
You cant be gauging opinion correctly Fred as people like Italia and Dongo quote all the excited people wanting to watch a Premiership Rugby team, so the Ricoh experience is certainly low on the reasons they would go. Lets face it you could make it as enjoyable to visit the stadium as you like but if the quality on the pitch is poor people will soon stay away.

Oh and big crowds and all the revenue streams (although filling your crowd with free tickets doesn't help that cause and lets see how big their attendances are next season) doesn't equate to success in Rugby. They will live under the same salary cap all the other teams do at present, its just that they aren't very good and so top players go to better clubs like the Saints or the Tigers.
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Neither of us know Moff so lets just wait and see.
 

Grendel

Well-Known Member
  • Nov 17, 2014
  • #114
italiahorse said:
It works for me
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Well deception worked for you if you were actually telling the truth. You bought tickets on a night when someone posted that only a handful of tickets were left when actually only a handful had been sold.
 

Moff

Well-Known Member
  • Nov 17, 2014
  • #115
skybluefred said:
Neither of us know Moff so lets just wait and see.
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Fair do's Fred.

I hate the fact I want a team to desperately fail, one I didn't have any feelings for until a few weeks ago, but I really want Wasps to fall flat on their faces, and I want that bitch Lucas to answer for it.
 

skybluetony176

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  • Nov 17, 2014
  • #116
Nick said:
Does marketing win games??? That is where we go wrong
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Where are we going right?
 

Astute

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  • Nov 17, 2014
  • #117
Grendel said:
Does it? I don't think so
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You have said enough times that we need our own stadium. You say that the money would be invested in our squad So are you now saying that marketing wouldn't be needed?
 

James Smith

Well-Known Member
  • Nov 17, 2014
  • #118
Nick said:
I don't think CCFC before SISU and during SISU have had access or would have been able to do a lot of that anyway would they even if they wanted to?

I don't doubt Wasps have better marketing, it really wouldn't be hard though would it?
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Did we ever ask?
 

skybluetony176

Well-Known Member
  • Nov 17, 2014
  • #119
Sick Boy said:
I agree, we simply cannot stay at the Ricoh now. Once the seats get changed and our badge taken down it's going to be humiliating.
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Look on the bright side. The Garlic stadium group will be happy. They'd decided that the way forward was different coloured seats and if IIRC Timmy championed it so it's a win for SISU too, they have someone else to pick up the tab. Everyone's a winner.
 

italiahorse

Well-Known Member
  • Nov 17, 2014
  • #120
torchomatic said:
Quick! Ring 'em up! Tell them they don't need to give 12K tickets away as the marketing is working a treat.
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Giving away tickets is part of long term marketing,
 

Ian1779

Well-Known Member
  • Nov 17, 2014
  • #121
skybluefred said:
Like it or not Wasps are doing a fantastic marketing job, in fact just like CCFC should have been doing. They are leaving nothing to chance
in making sure the their fans enjoy the Ricoh experience,making sure they will want to return. This should all of been for CCFC's benefit,
but we all know that (pity our owners didn't recognise it).

With marketing like that Wasps will rapidly climb to the very top of the Rugby Union world.
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It's easy to promise the world when you own the company that can deliver the changes.

Here's a quick question.... a simple marketing and business one.

Would you pay money to market a service or product that you do not control or make not one penny from?
 

Ian1779

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  • Nov 17, 2014
  • #122
italiahorse said:
Giving away tickets is part of long term marketing,
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Fuuny how when SISU do it is not called that.....
 

italiahorse

Well-Known Member
  • Nov 17, 2014
  • #123
Ian1779 said:
Fuuny how when SISU do it is not called that.....
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Didn't they do it at Northampton so locals could get in and RFC & Co were not by themselves?
 

Ian1779

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  • Nov 17, 2014
  • #124
italiahorse said:
Didn't they do it at Northampton so locals could get in and RFC & Co were not by themselves?
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No it's long term marketing according to you.... keep up.
 

James Smith

Well-Known Member
  • Nov 17, 2014
  • #125
italiahorse said:
Didn't they do it at Northampton so locals could get in and RFC & Co were not by themselves?
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Ian1779 said:
Fuuny how when SISU do it is not called that.....
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Was there any actual evidence that whilst in Northampton Sisu/CCFC really did this?
 
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Deleted member 5849

Guest
  • Nov 17, 2014
  • #126
James Smith said:
Was there any actual evidence that whilst in Northampton Sisu/CCFC really did this?
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Certainly didn;t hand over 12,000 of the buggers.
 

letsallsingtogether

Well-Known Member
  • Nov 17, 2014
  • #127
Grendel said:
Does it? I don't think so
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Apparently so?

SP said at the Trust meeting that they couldn't get the players they wanted in the close season because they had to market the Club in Northampton?

Thinks he would have got his first choice players if they had been at the Ricoh?
 

Ian1779

Well-Known Member
  • Nov 17, 2014
  • #128
James Smith said:
Was there any actual evidence that whilst in Northampton Sisu/CCFC really did this?
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Not that I was aware of. Normal route would be through schools possibly and as I work in one I know we were never approached. Some of the kids I taught actually paid to watch CCFC as at the time the price was good and we were playing good football (before Xmas last year)
 
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Citysince47

Well-Known Member
  • Nov 17, 2014
  • #129
What are the egg chasers going to do with my gold brick.? When it was bought by my children it was to live forever in the home of my football team. As the local council have now flogged that home of to a bunch of interlopers I WANT IT BACK.
 

italiahorse

Well-Known Member
  • Nov 17, 2014
  • #130
James Smith said:
Was there any actual evidence that whilst in Northampton Sisu/CCFC really did this?
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They must have done ? There can't be people from Coventry that went to Northampton surely ?
 

olderskyblue

Well-Known Member
  • Nov 17, 2014
  • #131
Grendel said:
You are actually talking rubbish - crowd numbers are measured by success - unless of course you are saying sisu's pricing and marketing strategy in attracting 27,000 to watch a league one game televised and on a Friday night a master stroke in marketing.
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That's true, The marketing for that game was done by all the supporters who fought against the move to sixfields, all those that wanted CCFC back to the Ricoh. SISU's marketing was up to its normal standard. Success of the team ? I must have missed that bit....
 

letsallsingtogether

Well-Known Member
  • Nov 17, 2014
  • #132
olderskyblue said:
That's true, The marketing for that game was done by all the supporters who fought against the move to sixfields, all those that wanted CCFC back to the Ricoh. SISU's marketing was up to its normal standard. Success of the team ? I must have missed that bit....
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They had no time for marketing good job really couldn't even get printing out the tickets right.

We will be fucked if the crowd does ever go up they would have to employ and pay for another employee.
 

cloughie

Well-Known Member
  • Nov 17, 2014
  • #133
skybluejelly said:
Depends which high street ... If it's Kensington high street .. It's going to be expensive
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It already is!!
 
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Chez78

New Member
  • Nov 17, 2014
  • #134
It's all just very depressing really, all the things wasps are doing is what any good owner with serious aspirations would do if they purchased the arena. Let's be honest the reason we are all so pissed off is because our terrible owners didn't do it and have now had their bluff called and well and truly screwed the club for the future.

Don't worry though we are cash flow positive, have one of the best young managers in the country, tied him down to four years to secure the stability and to top it off we have our own NEW state of the art stadium to look forward to. At the end of the day this is all just standard business practice and part of the three/four/seven plan.
 

pusbccfc

Well-Known Member
  • Nov 17, 2014
  • #135
Just been back over to the Wasps forum.

It seems as if there will obviously be added branding for their club. Also that a lot of the venue will be neutral due to other events. Now if we had purchased a stadium, I wouldn't want as much branding as we currently have on there.

I still believe that next summer they will be aiming to change at least one stand of seats, despite the cost, it will look awful for them. When we play in an empty Ricoh at least it is sky blue, this won't be the case with the Wasps.
 

Terry Gibson's perm

Well-Known Member
  • Nov 17, 2014
  • #136
1) With regards to the planning permission for the Joy bowl has it ever been stated by the council that they would refuse
2) Is there a piece of land big enough in Coventry for the stadium if they could get planning
3) The current deal the club has with ACL is 2 years + 2 who holds the option (could they throw us out to put in a 3G pitch)

The answers may be out there already but no sure where to look.
 
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quinn1971

Well-Known Member
  • Nov 17, 2014
  • #137
Terry Gibson's perm said:
1) With regards to the planning permission for the Joy bowl has it ever been stated by the council that they would refuse
2) Is there a piece of land big enough in Coventry for the stadium if they could get planning
3) The current deal the club has with ACL is 2 years + 2 who holds the option (could they throw us out to put in a 3G pitch)

The answers may be out there already but no sure where to look.
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new ground won't be in coventry, sisu won't want anything to do with cov council again.
 
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Brighton Sky Blue

Well-Known Member
  • Nov 17, 2014
  • #138
Terry Gibson's perm said:
1) With regards to the planning permission for the Joy bowl has it ever been stated by the council that they would refuse
2) Is there a piece of land big enough in Coventry for the stadium if they could get planning
3) The current deal the club has with ACL is 2 years + 2 who holds the option (could they throw us out to put in a 3G pitch)

The answers may be out there already but no sure where to look.
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How big is Sowe Common?
 

Terry Gibson's perm

Well-Known Member
  • Nov 17, 2014
  • #139
Brighton Sky Blue said:
How big is Sowe Common?
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Good call big enough but greenbelt and surrounded by fields and only has a single road to it.
 

Astute

Well-Known Member
  • Nov 18, 2014
  • #140
quinn1971 said:
new ground won't be in coventry, sisu won't want anything to do with cov council again.
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More like just another excuse not to build a stadium.

And it is more like nobody wants to deal with SISU than the other way round. Is there anyone on here that would trust them with anything?
 
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