Is Trump's deal worse than Obama's?
‘Many observers’. Who?Again I am not talking about Trump I am talking about a deal that many observers thought would create huge problems and do nothing to stop the Iran nuclear programme
You can squeal contrarian and get laughing emojis out all you like but that is an opinion shared by many people
Dart is right. When challenged you have no ability to discuss. So why post at all.
You have shown on the football side when things are not going to plan you resort to childish tantrums - you just do not like people offering alternative views
Fucking hell. That's peak Grendel right there. The contrarian's contrarian
And what deal (that would be agreed to by Iran) do you think would have completely stopped them obtaining nuclear weapons?Which doesn't actually say it would stop Iran constructing nuclear weapons and it does not also address the ramifications of the removal of sanctions and unregulated weapon build ups.
It focuses on assumed risk management and Iranian co-operation
I don't disagree that most American's think US first, second and last, but always makes me smile when other countries do the same and Americans moan like a bitch because they're not getting what they want.Trump is really acting out the fantasies of all the previous US presidents pre WW1. They have all tried to pretend some kind of empathy with Western allies but all have considered us inferior and wanted total domination.
Kennedy and Nixon were the closest examples. They would not have entered either World War militarily unless they were threatened. They are not really any better than China but are not the same in terms of culture and behaviours to its population. Its a ruthless and brutal regime.
Interestingly some political correspondent said that he saw Trump as a transparent truth of what all Americans really think - America First, Middle and Last is all it thinks about and fuck anyone else who stands in its way.
And what deal (that would be agreed to by Iran) do you think would have completely stopped them obtaining nuclear weapons?
You'd have to be a fantasist to think that was actually possible, and the best thing you could get was slowing in down, limiting the amount they could enrich and knowing exactly how much they had.
That's roughly what Obama got. So, as you've been asked many times before, what about Trump's 'deal' is better and would stop Iran constructing nuclear weapons. If the 10 points mentioned are correct how do those prevent Iran obtaining nuclear weapons? Those starting points are a huge US loss compared to what they had before.
Just admit Trump is an idiot lunatic who doesn't have the faintest idea what he's doing. His only tactic is to bully and it's not working.
There has to beSigh - my point is there shouldn’t have been a deal at all in the first place
So how would that have prevented Iran getting a nuclear weapon? Or are you advocating that the US should have started a pre-emptive war to stop them, which would be heavily frowned upon by international law.Sigh - my point is there shouldn’t have been a deal at all in the first place
There has to be
So how would that have prevented Iran getting a nuclear weapon? Or are you advocating that the US should have started a pre-emptive war to stop them, which would be heavily frowned upon by international law.
I was going to ask how would you feel if the likes of Russia or China did the same in trying to prevent another country getting a nuclear weapon, but then I remembered your stance on Ukraine, so I guess for you might is right.
Though in that case I hope you enjoy our new Chinese overlords.
It was doing what it set out to do. Israel have had designs on attacking Iran for decades-and there have been bogus claims about how close they are to nukes for just as long.Sigh - my point is there shouldn’t have been a deal at all in the first place
It was doing what it set out to do. Israel have had designs on attacking Iran for decades-and there have been bogus claims about how close they are to nukes for just as long.
They are mutual enemies.Haven’t Iran a declared aim to destroy Isreal and wipe it off the face of the earth?
They are mutual enemies.
That’s how a global world worksWhy?
That’s how a global world works
Are there no sanctions on North Korea or did I not check properlyWe have no nuclear deal with North Korea last time I checked
Your argument is that the deal which was working to get Iran to co-operate on restricting its nuclear program in fact emboldened Israel to want to start attacking Iran.
Your argument is that the deal which was working to get Iran to co-operate on restricting its nuclear program in fact emboldened Israel to want to start attacking Iran.
My point is simply this has been going on for decades-Israel would be doing this with or without the deal under this president.
You look at thinks as goodies and baddies like John Wayne and the Indians so I am trying to simplify it.
You posed an absurd question
The question I posed would be a historical essay. So if I was posed the question you asked I’d answer thus.
“The original idea to make a deal with Iran was foolhardy and ignored the regimes tyranny abroad and its treatment of its own citizens. It gave it a legitimacy and an ability to negotiate with a country it openly admitted was Satan and wanted to destroy.
The removal of sanctions and repayment of the money allegedly owed by a failed military deal effectively made Iran a power broker in the arrangement. It gave the regime a foot in the door.
The arrangement caused Israel to feel under considerable threat and embolden its leaders look at military protectionism on an even greater scale. What Obama failed to acknowledge was that the freedom of expenditure created by his release of sanctions allowed huge expenditure on other weapons and support to terrorist regimes - notably Hamas - to create further threat in the region.
It’s worth noting only 21% of US citizens in a poll supported the deal - astonishing given the support of the Obama administration.
The deal itself only was over a ten year period and allowed Iran an option to withdraw and start uranium enhancement with a one year notification.
Trumps withdrawal was always part of his election strategy. The most telling aspect was the subsequent democrat administration supporting the Trump strategy and acknowledging that it could not negotiate on returning to the arrangement unless the Iranian government restricted non nuclear military expenditure. It was a tacit acknowledgment of the flaws of the original deal.
The escalation of military conflict between Iran and its enemies - most notably Israel - were as a consequence of the original deal.
Many people use simplistic arguments about historic events - did Versailles cause world war 2?
No one can know but the treaty emboldened nationalism and the regime and so chamberlain was left to try and stop the tyranny rising from the arrangement.
You cannot just argue which is a worse deal - I would argue was the original deal the cause of subsequent action”
My view PVA - Shouldn’t we behaving debates like this and not childlike emojis and gifs?
That isn’t what I’ve done at all but crack on.I think it’s astonishing - genuinely - you try and create an equal argument for Iran’s hatred of Jews and try and legitimise it. Yeah it’s astonishing
Actually I’ll go further. Many would consider it racist
That isn’t what I’ve done at all but crack on.
What? What I wrote crosses the line but a big essay about how Jews run the world is above board?I’ve reported it for racism but as you say I guess nothing will happen - to try and legitimise Iran’s hatred of Isreal is honestly too much for me. You need to be gone.
What? What I wrote crosses the line but a big essay about how Jews run the world is above board?
I don’t recall that. And really where to start on the other ridiculousness-my best friend is too scared to protest against the regime you say I’m defending on account of reprisals against his family in Iran.I did say that was racist as well
What? What I wrote crosses the line but a big essay about how Jews run the world is above board?
This is so absolutely ridiculous I don’t even know where to start.The hatred you post about Israel and not about Iran is noted and not just by me - you need to stop
This is so absolutely ridiculous I don’t even know where to start.
Stating two nations hate each other is racist how?I think many people in Isreal would be a bit disturbed by your comments on trying to claim the Iran hatred is mutual and yeah I’ve reported you for racism and I don’t think your any better than Fatso despite the attempts at moral high ground
Stating two nations hate each other is racist how?
Where have you got that from? Iran hates Israel but has a fair number of synagogues.Iran hate Jews and want Jews destroyed - if you don’t acknowledge this it’s getting pretty disturbing to be honest - you can’t admit that Iran despises Jews. Up to you and I guess people will decide what you are
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