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[Grendel]

You asked what was good about it. The obvious answer is that it got Iran to comply with restrictions on its nuclear programme, that was the main objective.

Since Trump pulled the US out of the agreement and started bombing the country and killing its leaders, they have instead been given every reason to try and get a nuclear weapon as soon as possible.

What will likely end up happening is that another version of the JPCOA will be signed but with more terms in Iran's favour.

It's a monumental fuck up and your contrarianism is showing big time if you claim otherwise.

Sorry but again many saw it as an appeasement to the regime. You can’t keep going on about contrary behaviour. It gets you a like from the stooge PVA but only one fifth of the US population at the time agreed with it.

Historians will make a decision on its validity and some will conclude this outcome was entirely predictable as they will argue it enabled the Israeli regime to become emboldened as Iran used the extra income to weaponise itself against them.

Obama had a terrible foreign policy record in the Middle East. You can’t decide all by yourself your opinion is a fact when many experts would blow your argument apart.

 

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[Brighton Sky Blue]

Sorry but again many saw it as an appeasement to the regime. You can’t keep going on about contrary behaviour. It gets you a like from the stooge PVA but only one fifth of the US population at the time agreed with it.

Historians will make a decision on its validity and some will conclude this outcome was entirely predictable as they will argue it enabled the Israeli regime to become emboldened as Iran used the extra income to weaponise itself against them.

Obama had a terrible foreign policy record in the Middle East. You can’t decide all by yourself your opinion is a fact when many experts would blow your argument apart.

I haven’t gone on about stating my opinion as fact, I’ve stated facts as facts. The nuclear deal was working as designed, that’s a fact supported even by the Trump administration in 2017. Your take in the second paragraph is pure contrarianism.

What % of the US population supports this war?

 

[Sky_Blue_Dreamer]

Trump: "I agree to suspend the bombing and attack of Iran for a period of two weeks.

This will be a double sided CEASEFIRE! The reason for doing so is that we have already met and exceeded all Military objectives, and are very far along with a definitive Agreement concerning Longterm PEACE with Iran, and PEACE in the Middle East.

We received a 10 point proposal from Iran, and believe it is a workable basis on which to negotiate.

Almost all of the various points of past contention have been agreed to between the United States and Iran, but a two week period will allow the Agreement to be finalized and consummated.

On behalf of the United States of America, as President, and also representing the Countries of the Middle East, it is an Honor to have this Longterm problem close to resolution."

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Iran's 10-point conditions that the US has accepted (allegedly):

The US is fundamentally committed to:

Non-aggression
Continuation of Iran's control over the Strait of Hormuz
Acceptance of enrichment
Lifting all primary sanctions
Lifting all secondary sanctions
Termination of all UN Security Council resolutions
Termination of all IAEA Board of Governors resolutions
Payment of compensation to Iran
Withdrawal of US combat forces from the region
Cessation of war on all fronts, including against the heroic Islamic Resistance of Lebanon.

via @PressTV

If that's real, even as a starting point, then it looks poor for the US. Pretty much amounts to capitulation. Iran would have more than they did under previous arrangements.

Most likely it's Trump threatening people and expecting them to back down, but they haven't and now he needs a route out and is selling this as a win as he thinks everyone is stupid and won't realise it's terrible. Of course his MAGA base and Fox will lap it up.

 

[Northants Sky Blue]

Here's Sky News take on the deal ie. Iran have Trumps trousers down. What other conclusion is there!?

 

[PVA]

Sorry but again many saw it as an appeasement to the regime. You can’t keep going on about contrary behaviour. It gets you a like from the stooge PVA but only one fifth of the US population at the time agreed with it.

Historians will make a decision on its validity and some will conclude this outcome was entirely predictable as they will argue it enabled the Israeli regime to become emboldened as Iran used the extra income to weaponise itself against them.

Obama had a terrible foreign policy record in the Middle East. You can’t decide all by yourself your opinion is a fact when many experts would blow your argument apart.

It doesn't matter how good or bad Obama's deal was, it doesn't matter how many people agreed with it at the time or not - it's better than the one at the table at the moment.

So what was the point of the war?

What point are you trying to make?

 

[wingy]

It doesn't matter how good or bad Obama's deal was, it doesn't matter how many people agreed with it at the time or not - it's better than the one at the table at the moment.

So what was the point of the war?

What point are you trying to make?

Economic distortion as much as anything IMO.

 

[Brighton Sky Blue]

Economic distortion as much as anything IMO.

Trying to spin what Trump has done as the inevitable consequence of Obama’s deal is a take even for him.

Up there with arguing that Putin was provoked into invading Ukraine.

 

[wingy]

Trying to spin what Trump has done as the inevitable consequence of Obama’s deal is a take even for him.

Up there with arguing that Putin was provoked into invading Ukraine.

It'll be somewhere else getting it shortly I'm sure,piracy is the aim.

 

[Brighton Sky Blue]

It'll be somewhere else getting it shortly I'm sure,piracy is the aim.

Pirate is a good way of describing him and his regime to be honest.

 

[Super Frank]

This is not going to end well.