Haven't seen windmilling like this since season 1 of Camberwick Green
Haven't seen windmilling like this since season 1 of Camberwick GreenAnyway, back to Venezuela, anyone who’s actually looked into Maduro’s regime won’t shed a tear at today’s news.
Judging by the response by yourself, SBT, Duffer and so on… either you’re partisan to Maduro because he is a “socialist” (in name only) or partisan against Trump.
It’s geopolitical. It so happens that Venezuela supports the enemies of the USA so of course deposing Maduro serves their interests.Are you seriously, for one minute, pretending that this is about deposing dictators?
Clutching at straws. The transfer of power happened and Trump won the next election.Have you seen what’s going on in the US? The president literally interfered in an election he lost and incited riots to prevent the transfer of power.
It's the 'great game' of the 21st Century.All these interventions in Iran have done is make them even more determined to build a nuclear weapon so they’ll be left alone.
Have seen what’s going on in Iran? They’re shooting at protesters. It’s a possibility that it’s the beginning of the end for that regime too which, like Maduro, is a long time coming.
Anyway, back to Venezuela, anyone who’s actually looked into Maduro’s regime won’t shed a tear at today’s news.
Judging by the response by yourself, SBT, Duffer and so on… either you’re partisan to Maduro because he is a “socialist” (in name only) or partisan against Trump.
Off the bat, the intervention is only a worthwhile enterprise if there’s a succession plan in place for an interim government to organise new elections.
On Afghanistan, Trump stayed in there and it was Biden who pulled out and let the Taliban take over.Other countries without democracy that Trump could focus on if he's a bit scared of Putin. Qatar, Saudi Arabia. No?
Turkmenistan, Eritrea, Afghanistan?
There's a long list that anyone can Google for themselves if they're labouring under the assumption that this is somehow about Trump supporting democracy or human rights.
Weakest argument ever, especially given his record in his own country.
The point I’m trying to make is that the sitting US president is the only one in the country’s history to say it is ‘his right’ to interfere in elections and be recorded pressuring state officials into giving him votes he didn’t receive.It’s geopolitical. It so happens that Venezuela supports the enemies of the USA so of course deposing Maduro serves their interests.
The Venezuelan Opposition are also claiming Maduro’s exit was ‘negotiated’.
Clutching at straws. The transfer of power happened and Trump won the next election.
Seriously, take a few hours to read about Venezuela and you’ll see in Maduro what you constantly project onto Trump.
It’s mad that you’ve condemned military actions v Iran and Venezuela without condemning those regimes without the same intensity. It pretty much sums up the moral vacuum at the heart of many well meaning people of the left.
It’s geopolitical. It so happens that Venezuela supports the enemies of the USA so of course deposing Maduro serves their interests.
The Venezuelan Opposition are also claiming Maduro’s exit was ‘negotiated’.
Clutching at straws. The transfer of power happened and Trump won the next election.
Seriously, take a few hours to read about Venezuela and you’ll see in Maduro what you constantly project onto Trump.
It’s mad that you’ve condemned military actions v Iran and Venezuela without condemning those regimes without the same intensity. It pretty much sums up the moral vacuum at the heart of many well meaning people of the left.
I see once again we've already reached the point of "if you don't condemn X then you can't condemn Y". Pure intellectual bankruptcy.It’s mad that you’ve condemned military actions v Iran and Venezuela without condemning those regimes without the same intensity. It pretty much sums up the moral vacuum at the heart of many well meaning people of the left.
This is a stretch BSB and either way, the end result was that Trump relinquished power peacefully and contested the next election and won. Drawing equivalence elsewhere is a weak argument.The point I’m trying to make is that the sitting US president is the only one in the country’s history to say it is ‘his right’ to interfere in elections and be recorded pressuring state officials into giving him votes he didn’t receive.
He is no better than Maduro on this count. Vladimir Putin probably views Zelensky in the same light, so we should just let him go ahead and put Zelensky’s head on a pike.
Not at all. If you want to condemn the strikes, go for it. The silence over Iran and Venezuela is deafening.I see once again we've already reached the point of "if you don't condemn X then you can't condemn Y". Pure intellectual bankruptcy.
Putin doesn’t think Zelensky won fairly, Trump doesn’t think Maduro won fairly. Why does Trump get to coup Maduro but Putin can’t coup Zelensky?This is a stretch BSB and either way, the end result was that Trump relinquished power peacefully and contested the next election and won. Drawing equivalence elsewhere is a weak argument.
In fact, for you to say he’s “no better than Maduro” tells everyone that you don’t a scooby about Maduro and Venezuela.
The Zelensky example is equally nonsense. Those elections were legitimate and recognised as such. Russia declared war over territory and at the heart of Putin’s circle, they quite literally do not believe Ukraine has a right to exist historically.
On Afghanistan, Trump stayed in there and it was Biden who pulled out and let the Taliban take over.
Unlike the other countries, there isn’t a sophisticated opposition ready to take the reins and as our misguided attempts of nation building in Iraq, Afghanistan and Libya has shown… you can’t just export democracy to societies who do not have the means to support it.
This line of argument that if you can’t intervene to overthrow tyrants everywhere, then you can’t do it at all is weak.
Can you point me to your extensive posts on the corruption of the Venezuelan regime that entitles you to comment on all this?Not at all. If you want to condemn the strikes, go for it. The silence over Iran and Venezuela is deafening.
Two evil regimes that ought to be consigned to the dustbin of history.
It’s not just Trump, it’s the entire West. Putin tried and failed to oust Zelensky so this rabbit hole is pretty pointless.Putin doesn’t think Zelensky won fairly, Trump doesn’t think Maduro won fairly. Why does Trump get to coup Maduro but Putin can’t coup Zelensky?
The West decides what’s right and proper now does it? So we allow some dictators and some war criminals to do disgusting things just as long as they stay on our team. This is the sort of logic that leads to Russia and eventually China doing the same and rightly arguing that we have no moral leg to stand on.It’s not just Trump, it’s the entire West. Putin tried and failed to oust Zelensky so this rabbit hole is pretty pointless.
Do you think Maduro won fairly? I’m getting an impression that you think he had.
Let’s try to find common ground here. If Venezuelan democracy flourishes again, would this intervention be righteous? My answer to that is yes.
I’ve already said it’s geopolitical.You are factually incorrect on Afghanistan. Trump gave in to the Taliban there, and continued the withdrawal of U.S. troops even when they continued to attack the elected Afghan government. He did the exact opposite of what you claim.
Keep flogging that dead horse though, mate, are you still claiming this is Trump supporting human rights and democracy?
Timeline of U.S. Withdrawal from Afghanistan - FactCheck.org
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It's the usual rubbish argument; if you're condemning what Trump does, you must be supporting Iran, Muduro, the drug cartels, etc. etc.
It's a total nonsense, designed to deflect from the hypocrisy of the Trump fan boys and their own 'moral vacuum' (tm).
Just answer the questions, do you think Maduro won the election fairly in 2018?The West decides what’s right and proper now does it? So we allow some dictators and some war criminals to do disgusting things just as long as they stay on our team. This is the sort of logic that leads to Russia and eventually China doing the same and rightly arguing that we have no moral leg to stand on.
well they wont be fleeing to us cos well decide there rapistsI suspect that there won't be many Venezuelans shedding tears.
Or at least those that remain who haven't already fled or been executed without trial.
He wants a puppet in there.It's about pillaging the country's oil reserves and that's it.
Oh...and creating a handy distraction.
Just answer the questions, do you think Maduro won the election fairly in 2018?
If not, if democracy returns to Venezuela would this intervention be a good thing?
International law is a post-WW2 construct and most nations will bend/break the rules if it’s convenient to do so.
Don't think so, Mark Carney is playing hardball.well at least financially guess he needs a distraction of sorts.Greenland next.
Greenland is a territory of Denmark.Don't think so, Mark Carney is playing hardball.well at least financially guess he needs a distraction of sorts.
Just answer the questions, do you think Maduro won the election fairly in 2018?
If not, if democracy returns to Venezuela would this intervention be a good thing?
International law is a post-WW2 construct and most nations will bend/break the rules if it’s convenient to do so.
Greenland is a territory of Denmark.
Yeah I know that.Greenland is a territory of Denmark.
Almost there now. Why can the West do that but not the likes of Russia and China?International law is a post-WW2 construct and most nations will bend/break the rules if it’s convenient to do so.
Almost there now. Why can the West do that but not the likes of Russia and China?
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