They pick people who look foreign and don’t give them the right to prove their status. The Trump administration doesn’t believe in due process, which is a huge red flag.No, they haven't been targeting brown people specifically and dragging them off the street based on that.
You can dislike some of their tactics, and you can certainly find some examples of power abuse and mistakes, but overall they're doing something, certain methods aside, which badly needs to be done in the UK.
“Certain methods aside” is doing some heavy lifting here!You can dislike some of their tactics, and you can certainly find some examples of power abuse and mistakes, but overall they're doing something, certain methods aside, which badly needs to be done in the UK.
They pick people who look foreign and don’t give them the right to prove their status. The Trump administration doesn’t believe in due process, which is a huge red flag.
That opens the gates for anyone to be apprehended without right of reply.
The nickname seems to have been forgotten by the MAGA right actually.Well yes, not all their process is correct. They've taken a hard line but I don't really blame them. Like I said, a similair approach is needed in the UK. Far too many wrong'uns have been let in and not enough is being done about it.
Many people have no idea about America and their borders anyway to be honest. There is some seriously hysterical behaviour from people on places like Reddit telling those with valid visas not to go on work trips etc, but it has always been strict. 'Deporter in Chief' was the nickname Obama had as well, which seems to get forgotten.
Funny story, but I was actually held in detention at the Tijuana border coming back in from Mexico in 2013. Was quite a surreal experience.
The nickname seems to have been forgotten by the MAGA right actually.
Look, you have to do these things by the book. Not letting people prove who they are is dangerous territory.
It is for sure. There will, without any doubt, be innocents swept up in all this.The nickname seems to have been forgotten by the MAGA right actually.
Look, you have to do these things by the book. Not letting people prove who they are is dangerous territory.
The irony has been Trump voters acting shocked when their ‘illegal’ family members get dragged off. More than one recorded as saying ‘but I thought he just wanted to get rid of the bad ones’.Yes, people should be able to prove who they are. This is a tiny fraction of what we are talking about though.
The irony has been Trump voters acting shocked when their ‘illegal’ family members get dragged off. More than one recorded as saying ‘but I thought he just wanted to get rid of the bad ones’.
Nobody says ‘let’s open all the borders up’ in a UK or US context. The Democrats are pretty strict on it despite the caricatures claiming otherwise.I don't agree with all the processes here either, but that doesn't mean just knock it all on the head and open the borders up.
A few cases aren't going to make that much of a difference in the grand scheme of things.
Nobody says ‘let’s open all the borders up’ in a UK or US context. The Democrats are pretty strict on it despite the caricatures claiming otherwise.
There is this tendency of people to keep ascribing positions to the other side that they don’t actually hold, like the claim that Kamala Harris was obsessed with transgenderism despite not mentioning it once in the campaign. It was said that they lost for being ‘too woke’ when they went on stage with Dick Cheney and celebrated his support.
More to the point, Trump should be in prison, never mind the White House.
Here's a serious question. If this was Trump here in the UK, as a British politician, same/similar scenarios, would he be in prison, you think?Nobody says ‘let’s open all the borders up’ in a UK or US context. The Democrats are pretty strict on it despite the caricatures claiming otherwise.
There is this tendency of people to keep ascribing positions to the other side that they don’t actually hold, like the claim that Kamala Harris was obsessed with transgenderism despite not mentioning it once in the campaign. It was said that they lost for being ‘too woke’ when they went on stage with Dick Cheney and celebrated his support.
More to the point, Trump should be in prison, never mind the White House.
The cases against him were civil, not criminal, so no. We also don’t have elected DAs which, in this context, stood on platforms to prosecute him.Here's a serious question. If this was Trump here in the UK, as a British politician, same/similar scenarios, would he be in prison, you think?
In certain cases that's very much what they're doing.No, they haven't been targeting brown people specifically and dragging them off the street based on that.
You can dislike some of their tactics, and you can certainly find some examples of power abuse and mistakes, but overall they're doing something, certain methods aside, which badly needs to be done in the UK.
And so therefore why do we want to copy that here?It is for sure. There will, without any doubt, be innocents swept up in all this.
Do you agree with the deportation of legal immigrants and even US citizens without them being given the right to prove their status?Do you agree with the deportation of illegall immigrants, or would you just leave it as it is?
The problem the US has is the number of undocumented people they have working there, paying into the system but not receiving benefits from it. So actually, you’d find an awkward number of people asking for their ‘illegals’ to stay and the taxman would almost certainly prefer it if they did.Do you agree with the deportation of illegall immigrants, or would you just leave it as it is?
MMB, when the sitting president incites riots and interferes with the processing of election results to prevent the transfer of power, he should be in prison. Instead he has been rewarded handsomely and freed all of the rioters.The cases against him were civil, not criminal, so no. We also don’t have elected DAs which, in this context, stood on platforms to prosecute him.
Our judiciary is not outwardly politicised as it is in the USA.
He has been trampling all over democracy. Some obviously think that's a good thing, because they think it WILL make America great again.MMB, when the sitting president incites riots and interferes with the processing of election results to prevent the transfer of power, he should be in prison. Instead he has been rewarded handsomely and freed all of the rioters.
Take off the blinkers, he’s a disgrace to his office.
I notice @CovValleyBoy finds it funny but doesn’t really have an argument. I guess when it’s someone you like all crime is above board?He has been trampling all over democracy. Some obviously think that's a good thing, because they think it WILL make America great again.
Even if he does prove to be incredibly successful, it sets a very dangerous precedent for the future.
The problem the US has is the number of undocumented people they have working there, paying into the system but not receiving benefits from it. So actually, you’d find an awkward number of people asking for their ‘illegals’ to stay and the taxman would almost certainly prefer it if they did.
Our situations aren’t comparable but I’d offer pathways to citizenship for those already here and who have committed no serious crimes.
I did: I said deport the criminals and put the rest on a path to citizenship.You didn't answer the question.
Essentially it looks like you would pick holes in it regardless of hell well formed it is, so it seems like a pointless discussion.
Do you agree with the deportation of legal immigrants and even US citizens without them being given the right to prove their status?
Because if the answer to that question is no, then you don't want a ICE style system in the UK. If the answer is yes, then I suggest you seriously need to review your stance on how the law and due process works. Because if you let them start doing that what other areas of judicial process will they just decide to ignore next for expediency?
I did: I said deport the criminals and put the rest on a path to citizenship.
All he’s saying is to do it by the book and allow someone the legal rights to prove who they are. ICE go into courts and snatch people cleared by a judge.Again, what you are saying here is that we can't have any such process as they might get it wrong occassionally and therefore we can't enforce it for risk of that.
I am not particularly in favour of kicking out a grandmother who has raised a family and paid into the system fairly, but a line needs be drawn at some point otherwise it is chaos. If you don't think it does then you are literally saying that nothing can or should be done. We then end up with what has been going on in the UK, which is frankly a disgrace.
There are too many people that have come into the country illegally, and of whom have commited abhorrent crimes. Something needs to be done unfortunately.
All he’s saying is to do it by the book and allow someone the legal rights to prove who they are. ICE go into courts and snatch people cleared by a judge.
They break the law while wearing masks to anonymise themselves while breaking the law. They’re no more than hired thugs.As I said, I don't agree with all the processes either, but that doesn't mean I would scrap it entirely. That's essentially the angle you are both going down.
They break the law while wearing masks to anonymise themselves while breaking the law. They’re no more than hired thugs.
To be clear I’m pretty sure we do conduct ‘raids’ here as well, we just go about it with more respect for the legal process.
Pretty much. To be clear, ICE are guilty of racially profiling the people they grab, it’s happened too often to claim otherwise. This in turn happens because they have been told to deport a given number of people per day, but quickly ran out of violent criminals. So it has led them to engage in pretty abhorrent practices.Ok, so we both agree the raids should continue, they should just change their approach and some of the processes involved. Fair enough.
How many?Again, what you are saying here is that we can't have any such process as they might get it wrong occassionally and therefore we can't enforce it for risk of that.
I am not particularly in favour of kicking out a grandmother who has raised a family and paid into the system fairly, but a line needs be drawn at some point otherwise it is chaos. If you don't think it does then you are literally saying that nothing can or should be done. We then end up with what has been going on in the UK, which is frankly a disgrace.
There are too many people that have come into the country illegally, and of whom have commited abhorrent crimes. Something needs to be done unfortunately.
Pretty astonishing line to take on people getting deported without due process imo.A few cases aren't going to make that much of a difference in the grand scheme of things.
Pretty much. To be clear, ICE are guilty of racially profiling the people they grab, it’s happened too often to claim otherwise. This in turn happens because they have been told to deport a given number of people per day, but quickly ran out of violent criminals. So it has led them to engage in pretty abhorrent practices.
Yep windrushPretty astonishing line to take on people getting deported without due process imo.
Everyone agrees that arrival numbers and enforcement need fixing, but if the solution involves blatant miscarriages of justice then it’s not for me.
The Oriental Palace was once our nearest Chinese, we went there sometimes to eat and it was clearly a bit dodgy with an ongoing ‘card machine failure’. We went one time and there were several Home Office vehicles parked outside and they were busy detaining people.You see it with police forces in this part of the world as well. Often thuggish in nature. Watch any bodycam video on YouTube about what happens in the US though, and you'll see that there is a strange mentality when it comes to law enforcement. Again, another story from my travel book, but I had a gun pulled on me in a car park by officers after someone was trashing cars of the place I was working at and we called them. Then you have people like this on a power trip who think they can do whatever they want.
Guard hired to protect Portland businesses wasn’t firearm certified when he killed man
Nelson's death serves as a case study for another notable law enforcement problem the city is grappling with: powerful business interests turning to private security to do the work of police officers, enabling them to wield force against vulnerable Portlanders with a fraction of the oversight.www.opb.org
They need to reform the way they are doing it, but given the task at hand and how many people that need to be dealt with there needs to be a serious level of operation as well. I agree it can be handled better, but they can't just do nothing either.
Same with the car wash on binley RoadThe Oriental Palace was once our nearest Chinese, we went there sometimes to eat and it was clearly a bit dodgy with an ongoing ‘card machine failure’. We went one time and there were several Home Office vehicles parked outside and they were busy detaining people.
But no masked officers, no intimidation. Just matter of fact ‘yeah this isn’t legal sorry’. I don’t like how Americanised our politics is becoming in general and Reform’s imitation of it is pretty worrying given they will likely form the next government.
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