Yes they've really made this a very murky subject now haven't they .Free speech update #2
Targeting hate speech is back on the menu, boys!
From what I've seen the response of American Conservatives has generally not been favourable towards what's been said here. They are pretty consistent on the speech thing honestly.Yes they've really made this a very murky subject now haven't they .
Mental really
Il shorten my response to this , the right seem to get offended by hurty wurty words too , unsurprisingly.From what I've seen the response of American Conservatives has generally not been favourable towards what's been said here. They are pretty consistent on the speech thing honestly.
It's the one thing I think America just bodies us at. 'Hate speech' is and always has been absolute drivel. Where is the line? Who decides?
Offended sure but I don't think the police should be after people for words full stop really, or at least far far more rarely than they do. This is probably a separate topic as I am now really talking about the UK, but if people have been in favour of this shit they shouldn't really be surprised when it circles back around.Il shorten my response to this , the right seem to get offended by hurty wurty words too , unsurprisingly.
They dont actually believe in free speech , only the speech they want to pass as acceptable
Yeah, I can't see the police ever stopping acting over things people have said. Depends what is said doesn't itOffended sure but I don't think the police should be after people for words full stop really, or at least far far more rarely than they do. This is probably a separate topic as I am now really talking about the UK, but if people have been in favour of this shit they shouldn't really be surprised when it circles back around.
Politics goes in cycles after all and suddenly when the people at the top change and decide what is and isn't acceptable, people may find themselves in the firing line. Be careful what you wish for and all that.
Il shorten my response to this , the right seem to get offended by hurty wurty words too , unsurprisingly.
They dont actually believe in free speech , only the speech they want to pass as acceptable
Well, it used to. Then a fascist got in and was declared to be above the law, so he started filing lawsuits against the press and demanding the firing of anyone for criticising him.From what I've seen the response of American Conservatives has generally not been favourable towards what's been said here. They are pretty consistent on the speech thing honestly.
It's the one thing I think America just bodies us at. 'Hate speech' is and always has been absolute drivel. Where is the line? Who decides?
US President Donald Trump has said he "didn't want" London Mayor Sir Sadiq Khan at the state banquet hosted by the King at Windsor Castle.
Speaking to reporters on Air Force One heading back the US, Trump described Sir Sadiq as "among the worst mayors in the world", saying he had wanted to attend the event, but "I asked that he not be there".
The BBC understands Sir Sadiq did not seek or expect an invite to the state banquet, and a source close to the mayor said Trump's politics sowed "fear and division".
Yep that’s where I am now. You have to be free speech for all or no oneOffended sure but I don't think the police should be after people for words full stop really, or at least far far more rarely than they do. This is probably a separate topic as I am now really talking about the UK, but if people have been in favour of this shit they shouldn't really be surprised when it circles back around.
Politics goes in cycles after all and suddenly when the people at the top change and decide what is and isn't acceptable, people may find themselves in the firing line. Be careful what you wish for and all that.
It’s degrees once you say some words are bad and others are notYeah, I can't see the police ever stopping acting over things people have said. Depends what is said doesn't it
Like, if someone said "I am going to rape your 10 year old daughter", you can't NOT police that. There has to be boundaries and that's why true free speech will never ever work.
We can have more free speech, but people cannot just say whatever they want any time they want.
You can't go round shooting racial abuse, such as the likes Kasey Palmer got
I know there are race laws and hate speech etc, but what I am saying is you can't ever have true free speech, as some are advocating. Free speech with zero consequence for what you say
Unfortunately, the police will always have to be involved in certain cases
I think outside of libel, threats and more niche things like encouraging someone to suicide or whatever (which is much more targeted so more of a harassment issue than a free speech one) you should be allowed to say whatever, no matter how vile. Your employer can remove you if they think it damages their reputation sure, that's been the argument of many for years and i agree, not that i agree with grassing to an employer particularly... but people should not be getting knocks at their door with the regularity they are. The police are overstepping in this country, that is clear.Yep that’s where I am now. You have to be free speech for all or no one
I’m deeply uncomfortable with criminal activity for saying something rather than doing something and no I can’t balance this up with causing someone to act either for suicide self harm or criminal activity
Except that a more right wing government has got in the US and started cracking down on criticism against it. Be careful what you wish for.I think outside of libel, threats and more niche things like encouraging someone to suicide or whatever (which is much more targeted so more of a harassment issue than a free speech one) you should be allowed to say whatever, no matter how vile. Your employer can remove you if they think it damages their reputation sure, that's been the argument of many for years and i agree, not that i agree with grassing to an employer particularly... but people should not be getting knocks at their door with the regularity they are. The police are clearing overstepping in this country, that is clear.
My hope would be a government would walk this back, so from my side a more right wing government, but as i've said above don't be surprised if it circles back. What is good for the goose is good for the gander.
Having looked at Bluesky, one of the best things the UK could do is to stop being so obsessed with American culture and its culture wars.
There’s no way an authoritarian ppopulist anti Democratic Party walks this back. I don’t think the police are overstepping they are enacting the lawI think outside of libel, threats and more niche things like encouraging someone to suicide or whatever (which is much more targeted so more of a harassment issue than a free speech one) you should be allowed to say whatever, no matter how vile. Your employer can remove you if they think it damages their reputation sure, that's been the argument of many for years and i agree, not that i agree with grassing to an employer particularly... but people should not be getting knocks at their door with the regularity they are. The police are clearing overstepping in this country, that is clear.
My hope would be a government would walk this back, so from my side a more right wing government, but as i've said above don't be surprised if it circles back. What is good for the goose is good for the gander.
Sorry in what way would a right wing party here be anti democratic? They'll be voted in just like anyone else would and voted out if they are wank just as anyone else would, so i can't take that seriously. I know anything fronted by Farage is exceptionally scary for some, apart from Tony who was voting for him before it was cool, but his party is just filling up with career politicians, not Hitler Youth.There’s no way an authoritarian ppopulist anti Democratic Party walks this back. I don’t think the police are overstepping they are enacting the law
I agree about harassment and not as much but still do reputational risk for employers
I think that’s naive but you’re probably right (pun intended)Sorry in what way would a right wing party here be anti democratic? They'll be voted in just like anyone else would and voted out if they are wank just as anyone else would, so i can't take that seriously. I know anything fronted by Farage is exceptionally scary for some, apart from Tony who was voting for him before it was cool, but his party is just filling up with career politicians, not Hitler Youth.
100%...probably from ultra-religious organisations. A lot of videos across social platforms have obvious bot comments underneath as well.I think it's only going to get worse tbh.
Wouldn't be surprised if there is murky funding coming in from the US to keep a lot of it going
Part of the US attacks on free speech in the UK is because they don't like the buffer zones to prevent protests around abortion clinics. We already have the Lord's Prayer and weird chanting of Christ is King before marches, so I wouldn't be surprised if this gets targeted next.Free speech seems to me one of those things that if you don't really think about it you just reply with of course we should have free speech.
But then when you think about it some more you quickly get lots of situations where you would question if it should apply. Do we want people on their way into abortion clinics being yelled at as we see in the US? Do we want hate preachers like Abu Hamza to be free to preach hate? Should you be able to mock things like the Munich air disaster when you play Man Utd? Should you be able to encourage hate and / or criminal activity.
The question for me is very much where you draw the line. Looking at what Kimmel actually said that comes nowhere close to crossing a line for me and censoring the media for the slightest hint of criticism is a worrying path to head down. Similarly compiling hit lists of people who had said anything you don't agree with on social media around Kirks death and pursuing their employers with the aim of getting people fired is in no way acceptable.
Those are easy onesFree speech seems to me one of those things that if you don't really think about it you just reply with of course we should have free speech.
But then when you think about it some more you quickly get lots of situations where you would question if it should apply. Do we want people on their way into abortion clinics being yelled at as we see in the US? Do we want hate preachers like Abu Hamza to be free to preach hate? Should you be able to mock things like the Munich air disaster when you play Man Utd? Should you be able to encourage hate and / or criminal activity.
The question for me is very much where you draw the line. Looking at what Kimmel actually said that comes nowhere close to crossing a line for me and censoring the media for the slightest hint of criticism is a worrying path to head down. Similarly compiling hit lists of people who had said anything you don't agree with on social media around Kirks death and pursuing their employers with the aim of getting people fired is in no way acceptable.
Get him gone next. How dare he insult the don.
Get him gone next. How dare he insult the don.
CBS cancels Stephen Colbert’s show days after Trump settlement criticism
The late-night host had scoffed at a decision by CBS’s parent company to pay the U.S. president $16 million over a disputed interview.
It needs more Republicans to speak out. The more that do, the less it becomes us and them.who had Ted Cruz riding to the rescue on their acca?
Senator Ted Cruz says FCC acted like 'mafioso' on Jimmy Kimmel
The Texas senator affected a mobster accent to criticise how ABC was pressed to take action on the late-night host.www.bbc.co.uk
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