Non AMP
Sky Blues Talk
  • Home
  • Forums
  • General Discussion
  • Off Topic Chat
This is a mobile optimized page that loads fast, if you want to load the real page, click this text.

Trump is my favourite comedian of the year already (10 Viewers)

  • Thread starter tisza
  • Start date Jan 10, 2020
Forums New posts
Prev
  • 1
  • …
  • 26
  • 27
  • 28
  • 29
  • 30
  • …
  • 332
Next
First Prev 28 of 332 Next Last
S

SBT

Well-Known Member
  • Nov 2, 2020
  • #946
shmmeee said:
His only hope is the Supreme Court wins it for him, but I think that’s a massive long shot. If he’s officially lost the machinery of the state will remove him. At worst he’ll sulk and refuse to do the handover.
Click to expand...

This is the best article on ways it could play out if things are close/Trump refuses to concede. Long but good. Personally I think if the election doesn't look especially close, many of Trump's allies in government will abandon him quite quickly, but don't underestimate the number of Republicans who will stay loyal to him for the simple reason that the rank-and-file adore him. Watch out for an absolute massacre in terms of Trump's cabinet between the election and inauguration - if Trump thinks he can get an edge by replacing the Defense Sec, FBI Director or even AG, he will do it (he hates them all anyway).

The post-election pardon stuff is an interesting one - strikes me as the kind of thing Biden would be up for whether it was a condition of Trump conceding or not. May well be the smartest thing for the Dems long-term - would be catastrophic for Biden's short-term popularity, but he's only ever going to be a one-term president anyway (if that).
 

clint van damme

Well-Known Member
  • Nov 2, 2020
  • #947
Grendel said:
He won’t get prosecuted there is zero chance
Click to expand...

he's not so sure, he's all ready had his lawyers approach the supreme court to ask for immunity from civilian prosecution while in office

President Trump to claim 'absolute immunity' from subpoenas in Supreme Court appeal

Attorneys for President Donald Trump this week will ask the U.S. Supreme Court to grant him sweeping immunity from investigation by Congress and local prosecutors.
abcnews.go.com

I hope you're right, I think he needs to go quietly and be allowed to do so if that country has any chance of calming down.
 

David O'Day

Well-Known Member
  • Nov 2, 2020
  • #948
shmmeee said:
His only hope is the Supreme Court wins it for him, but I think that’s a massive long shot. If he’s officially lost the machinery of the state will remove him. At worst he’ll sulk and refuse to do the handover.
Click to expand...

Congress could remove him I believe with regards to close or disputed elections
 

tisza

Well-Known Member
  • Nov 2, 2020
  • #949
clint van damme said:
He will if he gets immunity from prosecution, apparently Biden would give him it but there are people who need to buy in to it who aren't having it at all.
I think if he loses it would be better for everyone if he got it and went quietly. He wouldn't be the first.
Click to expand...
Prosecution for what exactly? Taxes? Some of these sex allegations?
Taxes Biden might allow a deal but would cause uproar amongst Democrats if he was given a complete free pass on that.
Any interference on the sex allegations would again cause havoc amongst supporters.
Misuse of office - possibly gets a pardon if not too extreme.
 

clint van damme

Well-Known Member
  • Nov 2, 2020
  • #950
tisza said:
Prosecution for what exactly? Taxes? Some of these sex allegations?
Taxes Biden might allow a deal but would cause uproar amongst Democrats if he was given a complete free pass on that.
Any interference on the sex allegations would again cause havoc amongst supporters.
Misuse of office - possibly gets a pardon if not too extreme.
Click to expand...

I thought the New York tax case is the one he's really worried about but that didn't really come to light until autumn and his immunity request was spring, unless he knew what was coming.
 
S

SBT

Well-Known Member
  • Nov 2, 2020
  • #951
tisza said:
Prosecution for what exactly? Taxes? Some of these sex allegations?
Taxes Biden might allow a deal but would cause uproar amongst Democrats if he was given a complete free pass on that.
Any interference on the sex allegations would again cause havoc amongst supporters.
Misuse of office - possibly gets a pardon if not too extreme.
Click to expand...

Nixon got a "full, free and absolute pardon...for all offenses against the United States" over the period of his presidency.
 

shmmeee

Well-Known Member
  • Nov 2, 2020
  • #952
He won’t get prosecuted. It’s not worth the fall out or the damage to the office.
 
Reactions: dutchman

tisza

Well-Known Member
  • Nov 2, 2020
  • #953
SBT said:
Nixon got a "full, free and absolute pardon...for all offenses against the United States" over the period of his presidency.
Click to expand...
Given by someone from his own party
 

tisza

Well-Known Member
  • Nov 2, 2020
  • #954
shmmeee said:
He won’t get prosecuted. It’s not worth the fall out or the damage to the office.
Click to expand...
would imagine how much comes to light (once a "Democrat" DOJ stops blocking investigations and has to investigate) will determine prosecutions or not. These offences do relate to a time before he was President.
Doesn't protect him from all the private cases against re: the sexual activities etc. that have been held up.
 
B

Brighton Sky Blue

Well-Known Member
  • Nov 2, 2020
  • #955
David O'Day said:
Congress could remove him I believe with regards to close or disputed elections
Click to expand...

They already could with the blatant Saudi corruption he’s been indulging in but the Senate would never pass it
 

David O'Day

Well-Known Member
  • Nov 2, 2020
  • #956
Brighton Sky Blue said:
They already could with the blatant Saudi corruption he’s been indulging in but the Senate would never pass it
Click to expand...

In the case of there being clear winner or a disputed result the house and house only chooses.
 

David O'Day

Well-Known Member
  • Nov 2, 2020
  • #957
Brighton Sky Blue said:
They already could with the blatant Saudi corruption he’s been indulging in but the Senate would never pass it
Click to expand...

The 12th Amendment deals with this
 

shmmeee

Well-Known Member
  • Nov 2, 2020
  • #958
tisza said:
would imagine how much comes to light (once a "Democrat" DOJ stops blocking investigations and has to investigate) will determine prosecutions or not. These offences do relate to a time before he was President.
Doesn't protect him from all the private cases against re: the sexual activities etc. that have been held up.
Click to expand...

I don’t know the details of the cases TBF, just think there’ll be a will to “move on from Trump” if at all possible.
 
D

Deleted member 5849

Guest
  • Nov 2, 2020
  • #959
The world's mad.

Who knew this kind of thing would be debated in Covid?!?

 
Reactions: Sky Blue Pete

shmmeee

Well-Known Member
  • Nov 2, 2020
  • #960
Oh God Freeman of the Land types. I remember a mate that had some shit printed on his door that he claimed kept bailiffs away
 
Reactions: robbiekeane and Sky Blue Pete
B

Brighton Sky Blue

Well-Known Member
  • Nov 2, 2020
  • #961
David O'Day said:
The 12th Amendment deals with this
Click to expand...

It’s a violation of the emoluments clause
 

David O'Day

Well-Known Member
  • Nov 2, 2020
  • #962
Brighton Sky Blue said:
It’s a violation of the emoluments clause
Click to expand...

Forgive me but what does that clause have to do with deciding who becomes President?
 
B

Brighton Sky Blue

Well-Known Member
  • Nov 2, 2020
  • #963
David O'Day said:
Forgive me but what does that clause have to do with deciding who becomes President?
Click to expand...

I was talking about impeachment attempts
 

Mcbean

Well-Known Member
  • Nov 3, 2020
  • #964
well this is boiling up for some good fun - have watched the Trump show and laughed out loud - going to try and follow the news overnight - sort of seems similar to last time with Trump and Clinton - much hatred between the two like a boxing match
 

Sky Blue Pete

Well-Known Member
  • Nov 3, 2020
  • #965
Mcbean said:
well this is boiling up for some good fun - have watched the Trump show and laughed out loud - going to try and follow the news overnight - sort of seems similar to last time with Trump and Clinton - much hatred between the two like a boxing match
Click to expand...
Don’t think it’s anywhere near as close
 

David O'Day

Well-Known Member
  • Nov 3, 2020
  • #966
Sky Blue Pete said:
Don’t think it’s anywhere near as close
Click to expand...

I'll a massive shock if it is that close, you are likely to have to wait until tomorrow for a declared winner but you should hopefully have an indication of how it is going.

As BSB said at the moment if Trump wins all states he is leading in or within 5 points of Biden he only draws the electoral college.

538 say he has a 10% chance of winning
 

Mcbean

Well-Known Member
  • Nov 3, 2020
  • #967
But the polls were wrong before ?
 
D

Deleted member 5849

Guest
  • Nov 3, 2020
  • #968
Mcbean said:
But the polls were wrong before ?
Click to expand...
Not this much.

That being said, the fact we have a President Trump at all, is enough for me not to trust that he won't be anymore!
 
Reactions: Otis and Mcbean

Sky Blue Pete

Well-Known Member
  • Nov 3, 2020
  • #969
Deleted member 5849 said:
Not this much.

That being said, the fact we have a President Trump at all, is enough for me not to trust that he won't be anymore!
Click to expand...
Me too
 

David O'Day

Well-Known Member
  • Nov 3, 2020
  • #970
Mcbean said:
But the polls were wrong before ?
Click to expand...

Were they? They predicted a small lead in votes for Clinton and she won the popular vote.

Bit even if you argue they were wrong in 2016 they were nowhere near as wrong as they have to be for trump to win.

It is possible just very unlikely
 
Reactions: Brighton Sky Blue

chiefdave

Well-Known Member
  • Nov 3, 2020
  • #971
Mcbean said:
But the polls were wrong before ?
Click to expand...
If you apply the same margin of error as we saw last time its still a Biden win. Saying that nothing would come as a surprise anymore.
 

Sky Blue Pete

Well-Known Member
  • Nov 3, 2020
  • #972
chiefdave said:
If you apply the same margin of error as we saw last time its still a Biden win. Saying that nothing would come as a surprise anymore.
Click to expand...
Part of me wants it to be a complete shit show so the USA is shown up for the deeply divided nation that it is
 

skybluetony176

Well-Known Member
  • Nov 3, 2020
  • #973
Mcbean said:
But the polls were wrong before ?
Click to expand...
“They” have apparently weighted the polls this time to account for what they got wrong in 2016. If that’s true we should be waking up to some good news in the morning.
 
D

djr8369

Well-Known Member
  • Nov 3, 2020
  • #974
In my opinion the risk of Trump “winning” will come from it being a bit tighter than expected and them clinching a few key states by using legal challenges to get say the mail in votes declared void. If he gets ahead at all he’ll then try and declare before rest of the count is in. It will be easy enough to put enough disinformation out to create enough doubt for people to shrug their shoulders and let it happen.
 
Reactions: Sky_Blue_Dreamer
D

djr8369

Well-Known Member
  • Nov 3, 2020
  • #975
djr8369 said:
In my opinion the risk of Trump “winning” will come from it being a bit tighter than expected and them clinching a few key states by using legal challenges to get say the mail in votes declared void. If he gets ahead at all he’ll then try and declare before rest of the count is in. It will be easy enough to put enough disinformation out to create enough doubt for people to shrug their shoulders and let it happen.
Click to expand...

That said I think (hope?) that the narrative Trump is trying to build is more about his ego rather than to alter the result.
 
D

Deleted member 5849

Guest
  • Nov 3, 2020
  • #976
This is in many ways stating the obvious, but point 2 is interesting, about Trump's rallies being used to sign people up.

US election 2020: Three election headlines you could wake up to

There are three possible scenarios, plus an extraordinary one, says the BBC's Jon Sopel.
www.bbc.co.uk
 

David O'Day

Well-Known Member
  • Nov 3, 2020
  • #977
skybluetony176 said:
“They” have apparently weighted the polls this time to account for what they got wrong in 2016. If that’s true we should be waking up to some good news in the morning.
Click to expand...

Yeah they have tried to correct the methodology
 
D

djr8369

Well-Known Member
  • Nov 3, 2020
  • #978
Deleted member 5849 said:
This is in many ways stating the obvious, but point 2 is interesting, about Trump's rallies being used to sign people up.

US election 2020: Three election headlines you could wake up to

There are three possible scenarios, plus an extraordinary one, says the BBC's Jon Sopel.
www.bbc.co.uk
Click to expand...

In the crazy reality we’re now in number four feels like a certainty!
 
Reactions: chohan

jimmyhillsfanclub

Well-Known Member
  • Nov 3, 2020
  • #979
Polling is dead....its so 20th century....

Betfair currently has Biden @ 4/7 & Trump @ 6/4.

I won handsomely on trump 4 years ago...think I got 9/1 IIRC.....But I'm not betting on this one!
 

Malaka

Well-Known Member
  • Nov 3, 2020
  • #980
I'm hoping that Biden wins. The company that predicted Trump would be president and called Brexit, said Trump would win again by a landslide. I stuck a fiver on Trump on Bet365. If he wins I can drown my sorrows with a bottle of Jack.
 
Prev
  • 1
  • …
  • 26
  • 27
  • 28
  • 29
  • 30
  • …
  • 332
Next
First Prev 28 of 332 Next Last
You must log in or register to reply here.

Users who are viewing this thread

Total: 8 (members: 0, guests: 8)
Share:
Facebook Twitter Reddit Pinterest Tumblr WhatsApp Email
  • Home
  • Forums
  • General Discussion
  • Off Topic Chat
  • Default Style
  • Contact us
  • Terms and rules
  • Privacy policy
  • Help
  • Home
Community platform by XenForo® © 2010-2021 XenForo Ltd.
Menu
Log in

Register

  • Home
  • Forums
    • New posts
    • Search forums
  • What's new
    • New posts
    • Latest activity
  • Members
    • Current visitors
  • Donate to the Season Ticket Fund
X

Privacy & Transparency

We use cookies and similar technologies for the following purposes:

  • Personalized ads and content
  • Content measurement and audience insights

Do you accept cookies and these technologies?

X

Privacy & Transparency

We use cookies and similar technologies for the following purposes:

  • Personalized ads and content
  • Content measurement and audience insights

Do you accept cookies and these technologies?