Let's take Chelsea v Barcelona as an example .
What was the punishment for the officials costing Chelsea their place in the next round of the champions league that night ?
The Norwegian ref in 2009?
He never refereed at the top level again & he & his family were subjected to sickening abuse & death threats for honest mistakes which he admitted to.
What punishment did the Chelsea players get for failing to score/conceding a goal vs 10 men?
This was the game, everybody was punished besides the referee who admitted to making SEVERAL poor decisions View attachment 22287
And he did , he was refereeing juventus Porto 4 months later and the Norwegian top flight for 4 more yearsThe Norwegian ref in 2009?
He never refereed at the top level again & he & his family were subjected to sickening abuse & death threats for honest mistakes which he admitted to.
What punishment did the Chelsea players get for failing to score/conceding a goal vs 10 men?
He did though , he wasn't punishedHe never refereed at anywhere near that level again.
Is that not punishment enough?
This culture of referees need to accept abuse as part of the game has to stop, it's what leads to this stand offish attitude many understandably have.
He never refereed at anywhere near that level again.
Is that not punishment enough?
This culture of referees need to accept abuse as part of the game has to stop, it's what leads to this stand offish attitude many understandably have.
I think you’ll find there is. They would be off the games/games the week after as they are continually scrutinised by the hierarchy that would be in the stands.I think that's reasonable , but persistent mistakes in matches go completely unpinished and change the courses of matches and teams seasons .. I'm not one of these that feels sorry for referees .. I disagree with managers screaming in their faces on the pitch , and as I said it should be dealt with in a civil manner in private
But there is no retrospective action of any note for their match / season / financial altering performances
Many refs have appalling attitudes and love to put themselves in the limelight
Also I'm stating that if referees would be properly scrutinised and punished by the local associations for persistent poor decisions making then managers have an avenue to go down and maybe it would help the situation.
2 game ban in the division , 3 game , 4 game .. doesnt need to be a fine because its taking their match bonuses away by banning them for very poor performances.
They are as much a part of the sport , I've never understood the protection officials get from punishment
Also I'm stating that if referees would be properly scrutinised and punished by the local associations for persistent poor decisions making then managers have an avenue to go down and maybe it would help the situation.
2 game ban in the division , 3 game , 4 game .. doesnt need to be a fine because its taking their match bonuses away by banning them for very poor performances.
They are as much a part of the sport , I've never understood the protection officials get from punishment
Rarely applied though is the pointI think you’ll find there is. They would be off the games/games the week after as they are continually scrutinised by the hierarchy that would be in the stands.
If it was persistent and they hadn’t reached the required standard they would go down a level-so if a Championship referee they would go to L1.
Rarely applied though is the point
Please define a poor performance?Also I'm stating that if referees would be properly scrutinised and punished by the local associations for persistent poor decisions making then managers have an avenue to go down and maybe it would help the situation.
2 game ban in the division , 3 game , 4 game .. doesnt need to be a fine because its taking their match bonuses away by b
They are as much a part of the sport , I've never understood the protection officials get from punishment
They should be properly supported by the associations too but they're not, hence why they are quitting in their droves & not enough are coming through to replace them.
Just given one , he shouldnt have refereed a game at a top level for atleast a yearPlease define a poor performance?
If you want an example of consequences in not performing at the required level then search Stuart Atwells ghost goal in the Championship-think it was Bristol City.Rarely applied though is the point
I think that's reasonable , but persistent mistakes in matches go completely unpinished and change the courses of matches and teams seasons .. I'm not one of these that feels sorry for referees .. I disagree with managers screaming in their faces on the pitch , and as I said it should be dealt with in a civil manner in private
But there is no retrospective action of any note for their match / season / financial altering performances
Many refs have appalling attitudes and love to put themselves in the limelight
That’s an opinion-yours.Just given one , he shouldnt have refereed a game at a top level for atleast a year
I'm sorry I agree they shouldn't be abused on the pitch, but I'm not about to suck up to referees , can't stand many of them especially in English football , they are absolute whoppers .
Are you talking about the match threads with one sided biased supporters?I'm sorry I agree they shouldn't be abused on the pitch, but I'm not about to suck up to referees , can't stand many of them especially in English football , they are absolute whoppers .
The match threads every week will show you that
Most are below par standard
That’s an opinion-yours.
Wholly agree with you that the standard isn't good enough, I slate them quite often in match threads etc. but I know of the bigger picture.
We're talking about an honest guy/gal, doing an honest job & making honest mistakes under pressure from thousands of people at a time and receiving death threats for it.
The amount of money awash in the game at the top level should be invested in training, development & support for officials, there's no game without them & with less & less of an uptake now the standard will only decrease further.
Are you talking about the match threads with one sided biased supporters?
I don't really disagree with you but the FA are laughable at times too by taking the referees side in almost all appeals too , it doesn't help with a dishonest disingenuous system .. "we know it's wrong but we will back the ref anyway and piss off the clubs on the receiving end even further "
They are basically untouchable in many ways
It has to change
And to punish them in the way you suggest, what outcome are you hoping for?
The fact is many more will just walk away from refereeing completely & then where would we be? There's already loads of grassroots/non league games being called off due to lack of officials.
And to punish them in the way you suggest, what outcome are you hoping for?
The fact is many more will just walk away from refereeing completely & then where would we be? There's already loads of grassroots/non league games being called off due to lack of officials.
There's people on here happy to slate referees in the match thread... yet equally happy to condone Godden conning his way to a penalty, decieving the referee against Fulham...
I dont know mate , refs piss me off , don't think they should be abused , but we can't have them being totally devoid of punishment.
That's where I'm at really
It's extraordinarily rare that a ref gets punishment for being absolutely woeful in a match
The punishment they receive is exactly the same as players who are woeful - they don't get selected for games and eventually drift down the leagues. We don't ban players or dock their wages for being shit (as much as some would like us to).
People need to stop seeing referees as being these monk-like invisible arbiters of justice, and more like just another part of the game - they can be good, they can make mistakes; we can (and should) try to improve their quality. But ultimately, they're human, and that's what makes the game exciting. A refereeing error isn't a conspiracy or a travesty of justice, it's just like a bad pass or a goalkeeper's mistake.
The punishment they receive is exactly the same as players who are woeful - they don't get selected for games and eventually drift down the leagues. We don't ban players or dock their wages for being shit (as much as some would like us to).
People need to stop seeing referees as being these monk-like invisible arbiters of justice, and more like just another part of the game - they can be good, they can make mistakes; we can (and should) try to improve their quality. But ultimately, they're human, and that's what makes the game exciting. A refereeing error isn't a conspiracy or a travesty of justice, it's just like a bad pass or a goalkeeper's mistake.
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