Budget aside, I actually don't think the gap in quality of football in the Championship compared to League One has been that large this year, bar 3-4 teams.
Think that's what's been most frustrating about the position we're in at the moment, as we'd be a lot safer without the individual errors in both boxes
We need to go back to 4 4 2 and stop with the tip tap football.
We need to go back to 4 4 2 and stop with the tip tap football.
No, I'd say the gap is extent of the punishment for errors.Those individual errors are the gap.
No, I'd say the gap is extent of the punishment for errors.
Because fans are clearly still under the belief that we can be a Championship club, if the club can't fund that they should be honest about it. We might stay up this season, but if we keep having the lowest budget in the league we won't for long.
How will we gradually improve the squad? That would require a higher budget.
Yes, the owners should say “we can’t afford to take this club beyond League One, every day above that is a bonus”. If that is in fact the case.
There were actually some on here who genuinely thought we would get into the play-offs this season.How is the club responsible for a section of fans having unrealistic expectations?
Let’s go through this....no home ground in our city, some fans boycotting, some reluctant to travel, COVID-19, promotion as champions, playing against bigger and more established clubs with foundations much firmer than ours....let alone budgets.The owners need to come clean about whether we can actually afford to be in this league or not and set expectations appropriately.
With hindsight my optimism was misplaced. I never thought we would be in the play offs but thought we would be upper mid table and with a fair wind it would be like our first season in league one. The way we played against Bristol City in game was an indicator of the season in some ways and there was a confidence that we would learn some lessons and progress. Injuries and some players out of their depth and much stronger opponents have scuppered that and hopefully Barnsley and Luton have given us a template on how to approach the second season with some confidence.There were actually some on here who genuinely thought we would get into the play-offs this season.
Yep mid table budget last season and one of the lowest If not lowest this season. Slightly higher budget next season if we stay up but that being the case we have to do other things much better such as recruitment.With hindsight my optimism was misplaced. I never thought we would be in the play offs but thought we would be upper mid table and with a fair wind it would be like our first season in league one. The way we played against Bristol City in game was an indicator of the season in some ways and there was a confidence that we would learn some lessons and progress. Injuries and some players out of their depth and much stronger opponents have scuppered that and hopefully Barnsley and Luton have given us a template on how to approach the second season with some confidence.
Much will depend on our getting in some better players and the the willingness of our rivals to dig deep in their pockets. Next season will be a rebooting for many and the end of the gravy train for others.
Let’s go through this....no home ground in our city, some fans boycotting, some reluctant to travel, COVID-19, promotion as champions, playing against bigger and more established clubs with foundations much firmer than ours....let alone budgets.
Where are your expectations exactly? Now it is really easy to say set expectations appropriately but I suggest we all should have had an inkling we might be in this situation, myself included.
I suspect winning the league last season wasn’t really on the agenda as number one priority in their thinking but we did it. Staying up this season is probably was their number one priority.
So what will be completed first? Building a team capable of competing with the top teams in the Championship or building a new stadium?Boddy was honest about future spending in his interview last week to be fair to him.
He said we (and other clubs), are going to be paying for this season for the next few years.
Building a decent Championship side is going to be a slow process.
So so important to stay up.So what will be completed first? Building a team capable of competing with the top teams in the Championship or building a new stadium?
I think the costs have surprised the club and that was without covid. Boddy being very clear that we will be paying for this season for years to come and that maybe other clubs will just write off £10m and move on. I get the impression that promotion came a season early and wages costs and availability of good players wasn’t huge. You’ve got to think with the number of out of contract players and Covid effect on overall funds will mean we can improve if we stay upMaybe read the thread and see what I said. None of this is relevant.
I think the costs have surprised the club and that was without covid. Boddy being very clear that we will be paying for this season for years to come and that maybe other clubs will just write off £10m and move on. I get the impression that promotion came a season early and wages costs and availability of good players wasn’t huge. You’ve got to think with the number of out of contract players and Covid effect on overall funds will mean we can improve if we stay up
Oh I agree with that. I clearly didn’t say what I wanted to. The increase for wages won’t be huge. Suppose if 100% crowds are possible from week 1 and we average 22000 rather than 17000 then we may increase the budget accordinglyI don’t think that. I think we’ll be the lowest budget next season despite having mid table crowds. Time will tell I guess.
Only in it if all the team at the bottom win todayForest losing
The gap is massive... It's why Wycombe are bottom, Rotherham are 3rd from bottom and we are 5th from bottom... And we only lost 3 all last seasonBudget aside, I actually don't think the gap in quality of football in the Championship compared to League One has been that large this year, bar 3-4 teams.
Think that's what's been most frustrating about the position we're in at the moment, as we'd be a lot safer without the individual errors in both boxes
Brentford should be 2-0 up. Forest are a pretty poor side.
If we go down it’s the points gifted to Forest and Brum that will have done it.Brentford should be 2-0 up. Forest are a pretty poor side.
Lucky we gifted 6 points to them
If we go down it’s the points gifted to Forest and Brum that will have done it.
Missed sitters in both of them games, and gave them pretty much every goal
My old man said something about individual errors the other week that 20 odd goals we've conceded are through individual errors
I know technically every goal conceded is from an individual error somewhere.. I think ours are glaring thoughAs I said the other day I can’t remember conceding an objectively decent goal, perhaps the screamer free kick Reading got and Dan Gosling’s screamer for Bournemouth but not many others.
I know technically every goal conceded is from an individual error somewhere.. I think ours are glaring though
I’m not sure we’re in a position to label them ‘poor’.Forest are a pretty poor side.
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