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This team will be better than the 22/23 team (1 Viewer)

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rexo87

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  • Jan 15, 2024
  • #351
SleepyGinger said:
Do we think we’ll sell any of our assets will be sold in the summer? Didn’t even cross my mind until our turn around in form but I’m sure people will be keeping tabs on sakamoto/sheaf/Van Ewijk.
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Unlikely I’d think given most of the new signings will still have 3 years left. Sheaf probably the most likely given he will have 2 years. But shouldn’t be any pressure to sell given there will still be some Hamer money kicking about plus any Vik cash that may come in


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Astute

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  • Jan 16, 2024
  • #352
rexo87 said:
Unlikely I’d think given most of the new signings will still have 3 years left. Sheaf probably the most likely given he will have 2 years. But shouldn’t be any pressure to sell given there will still be some Hamer money kicking about plus any Vik cash that may come in


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The length of contract doesn't make much difference from 2 years long to older. It just gives a peace of mind to the owning club. Clubs won't offer more for a player on a 3 year over a 2 year contract.

Pressure to sell is a different thing. Every situation is different. A big money offer for an ambitious player can turn their head. No we wouldn't have to sell but it could be the best way to go. Big money also to continue with player upgrades.
 
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rexo87

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  • Jan 16, 2024
  • #353
Astute said:
The length of contract doesn't make much difference from 2 years long to older. It just gives a peace of mind to the owning club. Clubs won't offer more for a player on a 3 year over a 2 year contract.

Pressure to sell is a different thing. Every situation is different. A big money offer for an ambitious player can turn their head. No we wouldn't have to sell but it could be the best way to go. Big money also to continue with player upgrades.
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No but there’s a difference between 1 and 2 years. If you let someone on 2 years have another year then they’re down to 1 year and will then get less


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Astute

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  • Jan 16, 2024
  • #354
rexo87 said:
No but there’s a difference between 1 and 2 years. If you let someone on 2 years have another year then they’re down to 1 year and will then get less


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You had just said no clubs would bid for our new players because they would still have 3 years left on their contracts. Yet now you've going on about 1 year.

Will get less when 1 year left? Nothing to do with your earlier post but hey ho OK I'll play.

We sold 2 players with just 1 year left on their contract recently. Would you say we sold them cheap, about right valuation or did we get a good price for them?

My personal view is that although we sold them both with just a year left on their contracts we still sold them for their highest values since joining our club. If you remember Gyokeres was a waste of 1m and Hamer a liability.
 
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rexo87

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  • Jan 16, 2024
  • #355
Astute said:
You had just said no clubs would bid for our new players because they would still have 3 years left on their contracts. Yet now you've going on about 1 year.

Will get less when 1 year left? Nothing to do with your earlier post but hey ho OK I'll play.

We sold 2 players with just 1 year left on their contract recently. Would you say we sold them cheap, about right valuation or did we get a good price for them?

My personal view is that although we sold them both with just a year left on their contracts we still sold them for their highest values since joining our club. If you remember Gyokeres was a waste of 1m and Hamer a liability.
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The point is that with 2 years left you should either be looking to extend the contract or sell so that you get maximum value before they get to just 1 year left and value is then reduced.

At 3 years left you don’t need to worry about a contract extension or selling for another year.

How many prem sides let their best players get down to just 1 year on their contract? Very little


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Astute

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  • Jan 16, 2024
  • #356
rexo87 said:
The point is that with 2 years left you should either be looking to extend the contract or sell so that you get maximum value before they get to just 1 year left and value is then reduced.

At 3 years left you don’t need to worry about a contract extension or selling for another year.

How many prem sides let their best players get down to just 1 year on their contract? Very little


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But your point was nobody would bid for our players at the end of the season because they would have 3 years left. Now you're going on about 1 year.

It's quite simple. A player under contract has a value. The value is what someone is prepared to pay. The holding club don't have to sell. 2 years or more on the contract then no pressure to sell.

The Prem is a different kettle of fish. They don't live in reality. Contract down to 2 years? Offer them an extra 5m or more over 4 years. This protects maybe a 50m player. But lower down sides can't afford to offer life changing amounts.
 
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rexo87

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  • Jan 16, 2024
  • #357
Astute said:
But your point was nobody would bid for our players at the end of the season because they would have 3 years left. Now you're going on about 1 year.

It's quite simple. A player under contract has a value. The value is what someone is prepared to pay. The holding club don't have to sell. 2 years or more on the contract then no pressure to sell.

The Prem is a different kettle of fish. They don't live in reality. Contract down to 2 years? Offer them an extra 5m or more over 4 years. This protects maybe a 50m player. But lower down sides can't afford to offer life changing amounts.
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I wasn’t saying sides won’t bid if they have 3 years, of course they would. The difference is we would be far less inclined to sell at that point as they will hold their value. You generally get a lot less for players with 1 year left if they stay at the same level. We got so much for Vik and Hamer as they had such incredibly good last seasons


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Astute

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  • Jan 16, 2024
  • #358
The post you replied to

SleepyGinger said:
Do we think we’ll sell any of our assets will be sold in the summer? Didn’t even cross my mind until our turn around in form but I’m sure people will be keeping tabs on sakamoto/sheaf/Van Ewijk.
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rexo87 said:
Unlikely I’d think given most of the new signings will still have 3 years left. Sheaf probably the most likely given he will have 2 years. But shouldn’t be any pressure to sell given there will still be some Hamer money kicking about plus any Vik cash that may come in


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Cally Fedora

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  • Jan 16, 2024
  • #359
Most likely target by far is Wright. Or as many want to see him Dougie McGuire mk 2024.
 

Evo1883

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  • Feb 12, 2024
  • #360
Currently 5 points better off after 31 games , 15 more goals scored 2 goals more conceded
 
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MikeyMoo

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  • Feb 12, 2024
  • #361
Well our attack is more diverse - it had to be - and both started poorly. I’d like to think by end of season we’ve both scored significantly more and conceded less. However, getting clean sheets has been an issue lately.
 

SkyBlueSoul

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  • Feb 13, 2024
  • #362
Interesting that we're on par with the season before. Really fell away after that, only won 4 of the last 15.

 
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Brighton Sky Blue

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  • Feb 13, 2024
  • #363
SkyBlueSoul said:
Interesting that we're on par with the season before. Really fell away after that, only won 4 of the last 15.

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From memory the 21-22 season’s form dropped off considerably after that initial winning streak at home.
 
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wingy

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  • Feb 13, 2024
  • #364
Brighton Sky Blue said:
From memory the 21-22 season’s form dropped off considerably after that initial winning streak at home.
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Was that the one with all the late wins?
 

Sky Blue Pete

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  • Feb 13, 2024
  • #365
Evo1883 said:
Currently 5 points better off after 31 games , 15 more goals scored 2 goals more conceded View attachment 33992
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Sunderland in an almost identical situation.
 
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HuckerbyDublinWhelan

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  • Feb 14, 2024
  • #366
You know what’s really frustrating over the last two seasons. Those first 10-15 in games really stopped us challenging the top 2

looking at Sheff Utd this season- I’m still convinced we’re better than them
 

covcity4life

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  • Feb 15, 2024
  • #367
SkyBlueSoul said:
Interesting that we're on par with the season before. Really fell away after that, only won 4 of the last 15.

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What website you use to get those stats mate?
 
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SkyBlueSoul

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  • Feb 15, 2024
  • #368
covcity4life said:
What website you use to get those stats mate?
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Brighton Sky Blue

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  • Mar 10, 2024
  • #369
If Huddersfield can get a result today that makes it very interesting indeed
 
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Evo1883

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  • Mar 10, 2024
  • #370
The team is better in many ways already IMHO, we are 3 points better off at the same stage
 
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Brighton Sky Blue

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  • Mar 10, 2024
  • #371
Evo1883 said:
The team is better in many ways already IMHO, we are 3 points better off at the same stageView attachment 34507
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Got a much harder run in though. This side only had Blackburn and Boro remaining out of the top half clubs whereas we still have 3 of the top 4 plus Hull and Cardiff.
 
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Londonccfcfan

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  • Mar 10, 2024
  • #372
Evo1883 said:
The team is better in many ways already IMHO, we are 3 points better off at the same stageView attachment 34507
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The team is better this year as we found that we can change systems. That's massive ability and have personnel to change it.
 
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False9

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  • Mar 10, 2024
  • #373
This is also a much harder league than last season.

Leicester Southampton and Leeds far stronger then the 3 promoted sides. Add Ipswich in there too.
 
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messiahrobins

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  • Mar 10, 2024
  • #374
Lets do a combination of last seasons team and this seasons to see which team has the most players in it

Ill go 5-3-2 as Sakamoto can play in the hole, he is very versatile and it makes this exercise a bit easier
Wilson
MVE Latabadieure Mcfadzean Doyle Bidwell

Hamer Sheaf
Sakamoto
Gyokeres Wright

I did struggle a bit with MVE v Norton-Cuffy as MVE has been very inconsistent but obviously when he plays well he is far superior so have gone with him. Obviously some players above are stil here but the only players from last season not here who would get in this combination side are lo and behold Doyle (potential England player) Mcfadzean (Club legend) Hamer (perm league player) and Gyokeres (CL player almost certainly)
Some will argue McNally over Latabadieure, but McNally was god awful in the play off final and i think latabadieure is much more mentally resilient which in big matches is key.
The side is significantly better this season.
 

shmmeee

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  • Mar 10, 2024
  • #375
messiahrobins said:
Lets do a combination of last seasons team and this seasons to see which team has the most players in it

Ill go 5-3-2 as Sakamoto can play in the hole, he is very versatile and it makes this exercise a bit easier
Wilson
MVE Latabadieure Mcfadzean Doyle Bidwell

Hamer Sheaf
Sakamoto
Gyokeres Wright

I did struggle a bit with MVE v Norton-Cuffy as MVE has been very inconsistent but obviously when he plays well he is far superior so have gone with him. Obviously some players above are stil here but the only players from last season not here who would get in this combination side are lo and behold Doyle (potential England player) Mcfadzean (Club legend) Hamer (perm league player) and Gyokeres (CL player almost certainly)
Some will argue McNally over Latabadieure, but McNally was god awful in the play off final and i think latabadieure is much more mentally resilient which in big matches is key.
The side is significantly better this season.
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Collins
MvE Kitching Doyle Bidwell
Hamer Sheaf Torp
Wright Simms Gyokeres
 
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messiahrobins

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  • Mar 10, 2024
  • #376
Evo1883 said:
The team is better in many ways already IMHO, we are 3 points better off at the same stageView attachment 34507
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7 points off 5th last year, and we finished 5th!
Got a great chance this season and for those saying we have a harder run in, not being funny but if we have aspirations of promotion then surely we need to be picking up points against the likes of Southampton Leeds and Ipswich and Hull surely.
 
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messiahrobins

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  • Mar 10, 2024
  • #377
shmmeee said:
Collins
MvE Kitching Doyle Bidwell
Hamer Sheaf Torp
Wright Simms Gyokeres
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Simms over Sakamoto?
Torp i excluded as he hasnt played enough yet, personally think he will go on to be better than Hamer as it happens.
 

shmmeee

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  • Mar 10, 2024
  • #378
messiahrobins said:
Simms over Sakamoto?
Torp i excluded as he hasnt played enough yet, personally think he will go on to be better than Hamer as it happens.
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Just couldn’t make Saka work unless it was 4231, and I wanted to seem Wright Simms and Vik as a front line, so needed a CM I’m really.
 
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messiahrobins

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  • Mar 10, 2024
  • #379
shmmeee said:
Just couldn’t make Saka work unless it was 4231, and I wanted to seem Wright Simms and Vik as a front line, so needed a CM I’m really.
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Dont you think Sakamoto can play the no10 role? I honestly think he can now he has got used to English football.
 

covcity4life

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  • Mar 10, 2024
  • #380
The team either is better or is set to be better in very near future so that's enough for me

If we make playoffs I don't expect promotion. I don't even expect playoff final. But it would be valuable experience and shows recruitment on right path and long may it continue
 
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shmmeee

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  • Mar 10, 2024
  • #381
messiahrobins said:
Dont you think Sakamoto can play the no10 role? I honestly think he can now he has got used to English football.
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Yeah I had that at first and no Torp, but think Vik would be better on the left of a front three than in a 4231. I’m not sure why I’m giving this much thought to it
 
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messiahrobins

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  • Mar 10, 2024
  • #382
covcity4life said:
The team either is better or is set to be better in very near future so that's enough for me

If we make playoffs I don't expect promotion. I don't even expect playoff final. But it would be valuable experience and shows recruitment on right path and long may it continue
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If we dont go up this season, we will be champions next season and in many ways id rather do it that way. i think next season in the PL would be a struggle but i think in 2 years this squad with a few more additions will be easily mid table level in the PL. In 2 years Kitching and Thomas will be sought after by some of the biggest clubs as the potential in both is there for all to see.
 
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Flying Fokker

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  • Mar 10, 2024
  • #383
messiahrobins said:
If we dont go up this season, we will be champions next season and in many ways id rather do it that way. i think next season in the PL would be a struggle but i think in 2 years this squad with a few more additions will be easily mid table level in the PL. In 2 years Kitching and Thomas will be sought after by some of the biggest clubs as the potential in both is there for all to see.
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It will be interesting pitching against SUFC,Burnley, Luton or a couple of the ‘in danger’ sides. With all respects to them, Leeds, Leicester and Southampton have been a bigger challenge this season…even though 2 of them were well clear at the end of the season.

Can’t see Derby or Portsmouth doing an Ipswich and wouldn’t want them to either.
 
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messiahrobins

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  • Mar 10, 2024
  • #384
Flying Fokker said:
It will be interesting pitching against SUFC,Burnley, Luton or a couple of the ‘in danger’ sides. With all respects to them, Leeds, Leicester and Southampton have been a bigger challenge this season…even though 2 of them were well clear at the end of the season.

Can’t see Derby or Portsmouth doing an Ipswich and wouldn’t want them to either.
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Funnily enough, if there is a L1 side who might make an impact in the Champ it could be Peterborough, albeit they will be losing a key player and may be a couple more to us. They have got a tremendous ability to spot and develop players.
Sheff Utd is a club in decay and are going the way of Stoke. Burnley will revert back to a middling Champ side, like their brethrins in Preston.
Luton bless them will likely be back down the divisions unless they have serious investment. Southampton on the other hand i can see challenging for European football within 3 years. Another club who is fucked is Forest.
Fans want us to spend big, but its vital we dont end up like Forest or Sheff Utd for example. Brighton is the blueprint.
 
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SBT

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  • Mar 10, 2024
  • #385
messiahrobins said:
Dont you think Sakamoto can play the no10 role? I honestly think he can now he has got used to English football.
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He was pretty underwhelming in a central role earlier in the season. And he wasn’t a wing back either.
 
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