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SlowerThanPlatt

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  • Oct 3, 2021
  • #36
Sky Blue Pete said:
Yeah it was a dive but silva morning about the ref getting everything wrong and ignoring the man handling for their goal mitrovic aggressive dissent and their second yellow challenges not punished pisses me off more. Live by the sword die by it. Would be proud of golden if he said sorry but don’t expect him to
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Lol he’s not going to say sorry it’s part of the game. Only if he got sent off for it he’d apologise
 

Grendel

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  • Oct 3, 2021
  • #37
stay_up_skyblues said:
Based on this season and last we are whey down the list of shithousery in this league. We don’t time waste, roll around on the floor, get in the refs face etc. like most do. I think we have enough credit in the fair play bank for that dive.
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We were midtable in the FFP league last year so we arent that innocent
 

SlowerThanPlatt

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  • Oct 3, 2021
  • #38
Grendel said:
We were midtable in the FFP league last year so we arent that innocent
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Fair play table you mean?

We’re currently the 5th “dirtiest” team Championship - Fair play table 21/22
 

Covkid1968#

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  • Oct 3, 2021
  • #39
tommy hutch legend said:
I was sitting in block 1 and thought penalty straight away the ref has no slow motion replays so must have thought the same when players stay on their feet when Def pen they get nothing
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Block 1 aswell… looked a pen… but wasn’t. Ref had to call it real time
 

COVKIDSNEVERQUIT

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  • Oct 3, 2021
  • #40
SlowerThanPlatt said:
Fair play table you mean?

We’re currently the 5th “dirtiest” team Championship - Fair play table 21/22
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You don't win football matches being Mr Nice Guy.
 
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Grendel

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  • Oct 3, 2021
  • #41
SlowerThanPlatt said:
Fair play table you mean?

We’re currently the 5th “dirtiest” team Championship - Fair play table 21/22
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last season I was looking at
 

CDK

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  • Oct 3, 2021
  • #42
About time we got some luck,and Silva ,who is he again!
 

slowpoke

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  • Oct 3, 2021
  • #43
Are we the only group of fans with a thread about was it or wasn’t it a penalty, after our Wednesday meltdown to give a performance like we did v Fulham one of the best teams in the division is all we should want to talk about.
 
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ccfc1234

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  • Oct 3, 2021
  • #44
Brighton Sky Blue said:
The Luton ref hasn’t learned the rules since he sent off McF last season either. Balances out over a season
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The Luton ref was shocking and when he has overseen games I have watched not involving us, he has been poor. Surely a candidate to be relegated to lower divisions?
 
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steve cooper

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  • Oct 3, 2021
  • #45
Otis said:
I think everyone thought it was a penalty on first viewing. Looked stonewall.

Can't blame the ref for that at all.
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From this angle it looked a clear penalty, this is what the ref would have seen. From the front there was clearly no contact but if you are running flat out and someone sticks a leg out, what would you do?
The defender was stupid for giving the ref a decision to make.

 
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SlowerThanPlatt

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  • Oct 3, 2021
  • #46
steve cooper said:
From this angle it looked a clear penalty, this is what the ref would have seen. From the front there was clearly no contact but if you are running flat out and someone sticks a leg out, what would you do?
The defender was stupid for giving the ref a decision to make.

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The same analysis if an opposition player did it
 
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South West Sky Blue

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  • Oct 3, 2021
  • #47
CovBrummie94 said:
The blame has to go to the assistant referee. He had a much better view of things than the ref.

There have been plenty of bad decisions in the championship again this season just look at Bournemouth’s penalty against Sheff United yesterday.


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I’ve attempted a very weak defence on another thread of Godden in that he jumped out the way of a kick that was coming his way after the ball had gone. Pretty weak though. Just thought I’d put in another view-point.
Don’t think you can blame the assistant referee though. Blame lies with Godden. Not seen it from him before and would be disappointed to see it again.
 

SlowerThanPlatt

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  • Oct 3, 2021
  • #48
South West Sky Blue said:
I’ve attempted a very weak defence on another thread of Godden in that he jumped out the way of a kick that was coming his way after the ball had gone. Pretty weak though. Just thought I’d put in another view-point.
Don’t think you can blame the assistant referee though. Blame lies with Godden. Not seen it from him before and would be disappointed to see it again.
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What, even if it won us another penalty?
 

Grendel

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  • Oct 3, 2021
  • #49
South West Sky Blue said:
I’ve attempted a very weak defence on another thread of Godden in that he jumped out the way of a kick that was coming his way after the ball had gone. Pretty weak though. Just thought I’d put in another view-point.
Don’t think you can blame the assistant referee though. Blame lies with Godden. Not seen it from him before and would be disappointed to see it again.
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mcsheffrey did it all the time and he was a master at it and I wanted to see it again and again
 
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slowpoke

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  • Oct 3, 2021
  • #50
Just look at the picture on post 45 had that not been given we’d all be up in arms. the rule simply says fouling or attempting to foul or words to that affect. Defender stuck his leg out with no chance of winning the ball. Ref 100% correct imo.
 
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SlowerThanPlatt

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  • Oct 3, 2021
  • #51
slowpoke said:
Just look at the picture on post 45 had that not been given we’d all be up in arms. the rule simply says fouling or attempting to foul or words to that affect. Defender stuck his leg out with no chance of winning the ball. Ref 100% correct imo.
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Have you ever watched a game of football before?
 
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Brighton Sky Blue

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  • Oct 3, 2021
  • #52
slowpoke said:
Just look at the picture on post 45 had that not been given we’d all be up in arms. the rule simply says fouling or attempting to foul or words to that affect. Defender stuck his leg out with no chance of winning the ball. Ref 100% correct imo.
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JAM See

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  • Oct 3, 2021
  • #53
In real time, I'd probably given it as a penalty. But I can't be sure because I was still downstairs, finishing my pint.

Missed the first Vik goal and the penalty.

Saw Maatsen's beauty in real time though.

You really can't beat live football. Nothing comes close.
 

slowpoke

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  • Oct 3, 2021
  • #54
SlowerThanPlatt said:
Have you ever watched a game of football before?
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Yes and refereed I guess you almost certainly haven’t but you are another twerp who thrives on negativity to most things good for our club.
 
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South West Sky Blue

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  • Oct 3, 2021
  • #55
SlowerThanPlatt said:
What, even if it won us another penalty?
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I think so, yes. I know I sound a little sanctimonious, pious and annoying. However would only be happy with this if we’d been shafted ourselves in the same game or by the same team in a previous game.
Wasn’t happy with Sterling in the Euros vs Denmark.
Sport should have some sportsmanship.
 
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Brighton Sky Blue

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  • Oct 3, 2021
  • #56
South West Sky Blue said:
I think so, yes. I know I sound a little sanctimonious, pious and annoying. However would only be happy with this if we’d been shafted ourselves in the same game or by the same team in a previous game.
Wasn’t happy with Sterling in the Euros vs Denmark.
Sport should have some sportsmanship.
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South West Sky Blue

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  • Oct 3, 2021
  • #57
Grendel said:
mcsheffrey did it all the time and he was a master at it and I wanted to see it again and again
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I understand the viewpoint. I can even agree with it at times. However I still can’t get my head around cheating, even though it’s almost part & parcel of the game.
I was the Ricoh around 8 years ago on a Tuesday night to see McSheffrey dive in the box against us for Scunthorpe. He got a few boos from a few thousand that night!
 

slowpoke

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  • Oct 3, 2021
  • #58
South West Sky Blue said:
I understand the viewpoint. I can even agree with it at times. However I still can’t get my head around cheating, even though it’s almost part & parcel of the game.
I was the Ricoh around 8 years ago on a Tuesday night to see
McSheffrey dive in the box against us for Scunthorpe. He got a few boos from a few thousand that night!
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Where they all sat with Slower than Platt by any chance ?
 

Johnnythespider

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  • Oct 3, 2021
  • #59
I think the fans helped make the refs mind up
 
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Earlsdon-Loyal-Blue

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  • Oct 3, 2021
  • #60
North York’s Blue said:
Whilst we benefitted yesterday, let’s call it what is was ‘a dive’. Had it been given against us we would be furious and hammering the offending player.
My concern now is that refs will have taken notice and that they will think twice about awarding free kicks for what may be genuine fouls against Godden in future.
Just a thought…
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The penalty that was given against us at Luton wasn’t even in the box, it evens up over the season. Look at the offside that was given against Gyokeres in the first half when he was in his own half and Fulham took the free kick in our half. The incompetence was consistent.
 

Grendel

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  • Oct 3, 2021
  • #61
Earlsdon-Loyal-Blue said:
The penalty that was given against us at Luton wasn’t even in the box, it evens up over the season. Look at the offside that was given against Gyokeres in the first half when he was in his own half and Fulham took the free kick in our half. The incompetence was consistent.
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Oh dear
 
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Brighton Sky Blue

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  • Oct 3, 2021
  • #62
Grendel said:
Oh dear
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I hope for his sake it's some high level trolling
 
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Tea & Busquets

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  • Oct 3, 2021
  • #63
fatso said:
Sterling has made a career out of diving, and refs still havnt learnt.
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was about to comment this exact same thing
 
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slowpoke

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  • Oct 3, 2021
  • #64
Earlsdon-Loyal-Blue said:
The penalty that was given against us at Luton wasn’t even in the box, it evens up over the season. Look at the offside that was given against Gyokeres in the first half when he was in his own half and Fulham took the free kick in our half. The incompetence was consistent.
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Apparently that is allowed now, was spoken about either on EFL Quest or Sky I never realised it had changed and seems odd to me. It is something to do with continuity of play and off-side is now the only indirect free-kick I didn’t know that. I’m still not sure that’s correct any current referees out there who can tell us.
 

Frostie

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  • Oct 3, 2021
  • #65
slowpoke said:
Apparently that is allowed now, was spoken about either on EFL Quest or Sky I never realised it had changed and seems odd to me. It is something to do with continuity of play and off-side is now the only indirect free-kick I didn’t know that. I’m still not sure that’s correct any current referees out there who can tell us.
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No.
 

Evo1883

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  • Oct 3, 2021
  • #66
North York’s Blue said:
Whilst we benefitted yesterday, let’s call it what is was ‘a dive’. Had it been given against us we would be furious and hammering the offending player.
My concern now is that refs will have taken notice and that they will think twice about awarding free kicks for what may be genuine fouls against Godden in future.
Just a thought…
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I would normally care , but after refs started giving pens outside the box I just feel like anything is game right now

Long story short , I don't care , love the fact we shithoused them
 
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slowpoke

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  • Oct 3, 2021
  • #67
Frostie said:
No.
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Didn’t think it was but there’s that many rule changes around now I wasn’t sure. What about off-side free kicks can be taken in your opponents half is now allowed ?
 
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steve cooper

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  • Oct 3, 2021
  • #68
slowpoke said:
Apparently that is allowed now, was spoken about either on EFL Quest or Sky I never realised it had changed and seems odd to me. It is something to do with continuity of play and off-side is now the only indirect free-kick I didn’t know that. I’m still not sure that’s correct any current referees out there who can tell us.
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If I'm correct a foul outside the box where the contact continues into the box is now deemed to be a penalty, so a foul outside the box where the player continues on and falls inside the box is not a penalty if the contact ended before he entered the box. Is this what you mean?
 
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Earlsdon-Loyal-Blue

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  • Oct 3, 2021
  • #69
Brighton Sky Blue said:
I hope for his sake it's some high level trolling
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There may have been a tongue in cheek remark in there I’ve only seen it once - in real time, but I did think the penalty against Luton was outside the box. As always, happy to stand corrected if that wasn’t the case!
 

Frostie

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  • Oct 3, 2021
  • #70
slowpoke said:
Didn’t think it was but there’s that many rule changes around now I wasn’t sure. What about off-side free kicks can be taken in your opponents half is now allowed ?
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Is correct as discussed at length on the match thread.

steve cooper said:
If I'm correct a foul outside the box where the contact continues into the box is now deemed to be a penalty, so a foul outside the box where the player continues on and falls inside the box is not a penalty if the contact ended before he entered the box. Is this what you mean?
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Correct but think that's been the case for a while now. It's why you often see a defender cynically pulling an attacker's shirt but making sure they let go before they get in the area.
The JCS one vs Luton is a poor decision though, the only contact was clearly well outside the box.
 
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