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The EU: In, out, shake it all about.... (6 Viewers)

  • Thread starter jimmyhillsfanclub
  • Start date Jun 8, 2016
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As of right now, how are thinking of voting? In or out

  • Remain

    Votes: 23 37.1%
  • Leave

    Votes: 35 56.5%
  • Undecided

    Votes: 3 4.8%
  • Not registered or not intention to vote

    Votes: 1 1.6%

  • Total voters
    62
  • Poll closed Jun 15, 2016.
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martcov

Well-Known Member
  • Mar 15, 2019
  • #32,866
Astute said:
Here we go again.

You more or less said I was bullshitting when I said about the EU breaking its own laws, rules and regulations. I then remind you.

Yet you ignore this and say it again.

So there is you coming out with twisting of the truth. Where is mine? Why don't you post links to where I have done it? Oh yes you can't because I haven't.
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There are thousands of rules. You will pull something out as an example, but not mention the thousands that are kept. Selmayr was a disputed claim which has only just been confirmed. That is called due process.
 

skybluetony176

Well-Known Member
  • Mar 15, 2019
  • #32,867
Astute said:
How many countries in the EU have water as good as ours to drink straight from the tap?
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All the Scandinavian ones. Italy has famously good tap water. The problem with drinking water abroad is usually down to mineral content anyway not the actual cleanliness of it.
 
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Brighton Sky Blue

Well-Known Member
  • Mar 15, 2019
  • #32,868
Astute said:
All countries have problems sending anyone back.

It is easy to opt.out of the working hours directive.

How many countries in the EU have water as good as ours to drink straight from the tap?
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Belgium doesn’t, nor do the Netherlands for another. Even the Tories know how dependent we are on immigrant labour which is why they do nothing to limit it

Asking again:name 3 cases where EU law overrides our law, explain how each is negative. I don’t see how maximum working hours, clean drinking water or the ability to control immigration levels fall into those but maybe you have some others?
 
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Otis

Well-Known Member
  • Mar 15, 2019
  • #32,869
Nick said:
Depends when it is, I'm in though.

Remainduurrss have to work though.
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Remaindurrrss?

That's a new one. If you're going to use Remaindurrs, I reserve the right to display these Brexit Ears.

 
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Astute

Well-Known Member
  • Mar 15, 2019
  • #32,870
Brighton Sky Blue said:
Belgium doesn’t, nor do the Netherlands for another. Even the Tories know how dependent we are on immigrant labour which is why they do nothing to limit it

Asking again:name 3 cases where EU law overrides our law, explain how each is negative. I don’t see how maximum working hours, clean drinking water or the ability to control immigration levels fall into those but maybe you have some others?
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Can you show me where I said about negatives?

This thread is a joke. You and others love to constantly try and make out that I have said what I haven't just because I mention the bad on both sides. I know that the bad is only allowed to be mentioned on the leave side. And you are certainly not allowed to show the EU for what it is.

Isn't it strange that the leaders from all the countries in the EU want to take the power back but on this thread they are brilliant.
 

Sick Boy

Super Moderator
  • Mar 15, 2019
  • #32,871
Astute said:
It is normally safe in Western Europe but normally not safe in the rest. But you will know this.
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Name the countries then.
 

Astute

Well-Known Member
  • Mar 15, 2019
  • #32,872
martcov said:
There are thousands of rules. You will pull something out as an example, but not mention the thousands that are kept. Selmayr was a disputed claim which has only just been confirmed. That is called due process.
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It was confirmed.last year. And you know that. Because you said it would be best if Selmayr resigned as it would show that there is transparency in the EU. Then I showed you the date which was last year. Then you went quiet for a few days. Then you tried again to say that rules, regulations and the law wasn't broke to hand him the position
 
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Brighton Sky Blue

Well-Known Member
  • Mar 15, 2019
  • #32,873
Astute said:
Can you show me where I said about negatives?

This thread is a joke. You and others love to constantly try and make out that I have said what I haven't just because I mention the bad on both sides. I know that the bad is only allowed to be mentioned on the leave side. And you are certainly not allowed to show the EU for what it is.

Isn't it strange that the leaders from all the countries in the EU want to take the power back but on this thread they are brilliant.
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Astute I am trying to invite you to criticise EU regulations and I will try again for a 3rd time:

3 regs that supersede British law

Why they’re bad

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Astute

Well-Known Member
  • Mar 15, 2019
  • #32,874
Sick Boy said:
Name the countries then.
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Don't you know your geography?
 

Astute

Well-Known Member
  • Mar 15, 2019
  • #32,875
Brighton Sky Blue said:
Astute I am trying to invite you to criticise EU regulations and I will try again for a 3rd time:

3 regs that supersede British law

Why they’re bad

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I know you are.

I am not criticising them. I am criticising the way the EU breaks them themselves and they still continue to do so even when we find out.

So what are your thoughts on the way the EU breaks their own laws, rules and regulations?
 
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martcov

Well-Known Member
  • Mar 15, 2019
  • #32,876
Brighton Sky Blue said:
Belgium doesn’t, nor do the Netherlands for another. Even the Tories know how dependent we are on immigrant labour which is why they do nothing to limit it

Asking again:name 3 cases where EU law overrides our law, explain how each is negative. I don’t see how maximum working hours, clean drinking water or the ability to control immigration levels fall into those but maybe you have some others?
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Maximum working hours is a directive and is interpreted by the sovereign countries. Germany is a strict interpretation. I break the law every weekend.

Astute said:
It was confirmed.last year. And you know that. Because you said it would be best if Selmayr resigned as it would show that there is transparency in the EU. Then I showed you the date which was last year. Then you went quiet for a few days. Then you tried again to say that rules, regulations and the law wasn't broke to hand him the
position
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Tell me the date of the final report.
 
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martcov

Well-Known Member
  • Mar 15, 2019
  • #32,877
Brighton Sky Blue said:
Astute I am trying to invite you to criticise EU regulations and I will try again for a 3rd time:

3 regs that supersede British law

Why they’re bad

Go
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He‘ll go on to Selmayr or similar as a distraction. Normal.
 
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westcountry_skyblue

Guest
  • Mar 15, 2019
  • #32,878
martcov said:
I have a better idea. Put the lying scum Farage ( effigy ) on top and burn it for getting the UK into this mess and dividing the country. BTW, the NZ terrorist was a Brexit fan. No surprise there. As are people who are trying to play it down by blame sharing with Muslim terrorism. Why do you think far right people lean towards hate and division? My theory: it is easy to trigger „us and them“. Push the fear or abhorrence buttons which we all have for survival purposes, and you are on your way to power and/ or money. See Farage, Bannon and Tommy Robinson. They are making a good living by pushing buttons. Not to mention Trump.
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Why do you think the far left lean towards race hate,I've never seen the far left momentum or Corbyn come out in public and denounce anti semetism?
 
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Brighton Sky Blue

Well-Known Member
  • Mar 15, 2019
  • #32,879
Astute said:
I know you are.

I am not criticising them. I am criticising the way the EU breaks them themselves and they still continue to do so even when we find out.

So what are your thoughts on the way the EU breaks their own laws, rules and regulations?
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If you give me the examples of this happening obviously I will criticise it. I wanted us to remain with significant reforms, starting with a break up of the Euro. I just thought that on the balance of evidence that leaving would be worse.
 
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Brighton Sky Blue

Well-Known Member
  • Mar 15, 2019
  • #32,880
westcountry_skyblue said:
Why do you think the far left lean towards race hate,I've never seen the far left momentum or Corbyn come out in public and denounce anti semetism?
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3 far left Corbyn policies from the 2017 manifesto

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Astute

Well-Known Member
  • Mar 15, 2019
  • #32,881
martcov said:
Maximum working hours is a directive and is interpreted by the sovereign countries. Germany is a strict interpretation. I break the law every weekend.



Tell me the date of the final report.
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Last year. And you know it so stop pretending.
 
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Brighton Sky Blue

Well-Known Member
  • Mar 15, 2019
  • #32,882
martcov said:
He‘ll go on to Selmayr or similar as a distraction. Normal.
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I ask simple questions and never get the answers. Meh
 
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Astute

Well-Known Member
  • Mar 15, 2019
  • #32,883
Brighton Sky Blue said:
If you give me the examples of this happening obviously I will criticise it. I wanted us to remain with significant reforms, starting with a break up of the Euro. I just thought that on the balance of evidence that leaving would be worse.
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Are you trying to say that I don't say leaving the EU will make us worse off? Are you trying to say that I don't want us to stay in the EU?

The appointment of Selmayr that broke EU law, rules and regulations.

Doing nothing for years when they knew the German car makers were breaking all rules and regulations and that it was killing thousands of people.
 
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martcov

Well-Known Member
  • Mar 15, 2019
  • #32,884
Astute said:
It was confirmed.last year. And you know that. Because you said it would be best if Selmayr resigned as it would show that there is transparency in the EU. Then I showed you the date which was last year. Then you went quiet for a few days. Then you tried again to say that rules, regulations and the law wasn't broke to hand him the position
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Astute said:
Are you trying to say that I don't say leaving the EU will make us worse off? Are you trying to say that I don't want us to stay in the EU?

The appointment of Selmayr that broke EU law, rules and regulations.

Doing nothing for years when they knew the German car makers were breaking all rules and regulations and that it was killing thousands of people.
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Classic distraction.
 
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martcov

Well-Known Member
  • Mar 15, 2019
  • #32,885
Astute said:
Are you trying to say that I don't say leaving the EU will make us worse off? Are you trying to say that I don't want us to stay in the EU?

The appointment of Selmayr that broke EU law, rules and regulations.

Doing nothing for years when they knew the German car makers were breaking all rules and regulations and that it was killing thousands of people.
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Not as simple as you pretend.
 

Astute

Well-Known Member
  • Mar 15, 2019
  • #32,886
martcov said:
He‘ll go on to Selmayr or similar as a distraction. Normal.
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So talking about where the EU has broken their own laws, rules and regulations is just a distraction?

How pathetic. You are just like the EU and would love to sweep it under the carpet.
 

Astute

Well-Known Member
  • Mar 15, 2019
  • #32,887
martcov said:
Not as simple as you pretend.
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So what do I pretend?

Try and be truthful for once.
 
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martcov

Well-Known Member
  • Mar 15, 2019
  • #32,888
Astute said:
So talking about where the EU has broken their own laws, rules and regulations is just a distraction?

How pathetic. You are just like the EU and would love to sweep it under the carpet.
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You were asked questions by myself and Brighton. Answers? Of course not.
 

clint van damme

Well-Known Member
  • Mar 15, 2019
  • #32,889
tisza said:
Far more sinister tones on the various social medias stating poll tax riots will be nothing compared to Brexit being overturned.
i went on poll tax marches and they were horrendous.
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If they're as clued up about organising a riot as they are about organising our withdrawal from the EU I shouldn't think we have too much to worry about.
 
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Astute

Well-Known Member
  • Mar 15, 2019
  • #32,890
martcov said:
Classic distraction.
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Are you now saying that you didn't say it was best if Selmayr resigned?

He didn't. So now you are always on full defensive mode.
 
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martcov

Well-Known Member
  • Mar 15, 2019
  • #32,891
Astute said:
So what do I pretend?

Try and be truthful for once.
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That it was absolutely undisputed and clear cut.
 
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martcov

Well-Known Member
  • Mar 15, 2019
  • #32,892
Astute said:
Are you now saying that you didn't say it was best if Selmayr resigned?

He didn't. So now you are always on full defensive mode.
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What was the date of the final report?
 

Astute

Well-Known Member
  • Mar 15, 2019
  • #32,893
martcov said:
You were asked questions by myself and Brighton. Answers? Of course not.
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What questions?

The question was about rules and regulations. Strangely enough you don't want to talk about the EU either breaking them or ignoring it when Gremany breaks them.
 
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martcov

Well-Known Member
  • Mar 15, 2019
  • #32,894
Astute said:
What questions?

The question was about rules and regulations. Strangely enough you don't want to talk about the EU either breaking them or ignoring it when Gremany breaks them.
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So you will not answer our questions?
 
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Brighton Sky Blue

Well-Known Member
  • Mar 15, 2019
  • #32,895
Astute said:
Are you trying to say that I don't say leaving the EU will make us worse off? Are you trying to say that I don't want us to stay in the EU?

The appointment of Selmayr that broke EU law, rules and regulations.

Doing nothing for years when they knew the German car makers were breaking all rules and regulations and that it was killing thousands of people.
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The EU’s own scientists were pointing it out, and the car industry lobbied against them-I don’t like any of it. All I really want is someone to back up the right wing assertions about the EU overriding our laws for the worse or about Corbyn being ‘hard left’ or more than 1 example of the EU breaking it’s own regulations
 

clint van damme

Well-Known Member
  • Mar 15, 2019
  • #32,896
westcountry_skyblue said:
Why do you think the far left lean towards race hate,I've never seen the far left momentum or Corbyn come out in public and denounce anti semetism?
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Haha! Corbyn hasn't denounced anti semitism, fucking hell, priceless, genuinely laughing at that!
Is it a full moon?!
 
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Astute

Well-Known Member
  • Mar 15, 2019
  • #32,897
martcov said:
So you will not answer our questions?
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Had enough of your bullshit and twisting of the truth.

Those who are after a proper debate come out with the truth. You are not one of those.
 

Astute

Well-Known Member
  • Mar 15, 2019
  • #32,898
Brighton Sky Blue said:
The EU’s own scientists were pointing it out, and the car industry lobbied against them-I don’t like any of it. All I really want is someone to back up the right wing assertions about the EU overriding our laws for the worse or about Corbyn being ‘hard left’ or more than 1 example of the EU breaking it’s own regulations
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Have been through this before.

Most are for the good. A few are not. Being in a single market everyone needs a level playing field.

But I would be more respectful if they followed them themselves. It is easier for the EU to follow them than the countries in the EU as it is them who decides what they are.
 
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Brighton Sky Blue

Well-Known Member
  • Mar 15, 2019
  • #32,899
Astute said:
Have been through this before.

Most are for the good. A few are not. Being in a single market everyone needs a level playing field.

But I would be more respectful if they followed them themselves. It is easier for the EU to follow them than the countries in the EU as it is them who decides what they are.
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So basically it’s an organisation that has a few faults like any other and it isn’t really some malevolent dictatorship

God knows our own political establishment has made a mockery of the law many more times.
 

Sick Boy

Super Moderator
  • Mar 15, 2019
  • #32,900
Astute said:
Don't you know your geography?
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Hahaha!
 
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