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The EU: In, out, shake it all about.... (7 Viewers)

  • Thread starter jimmyhillsfanclub
  • Start date Jun 8, 2016
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As of right now, how are thinking of voting? In or out

  • Remain

    Votes: 23 37.1%
  • Leave

    Votes: 35 56.5%
  • Undecided

    Votes: 3 4.8%
  • Not registered or not intention to vote

    Votes: 1 1.6%

  • Total voters
    62
  • Poll closed Jun 15, 2016.
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rondog1973

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  • Jun 24, 2021
  • #51,101
PVA said:
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They simply don't get it do they?
 

Sky Blue Pete

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  • Jun 24, 2021
  • #51,102
rondog1973 said:
They simply don't get it do they?
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Posh voice though so con+10
 

shmmeee

Well-Known Member
  • Jun 24, 2021
  • #51,103
It’sabatch87 said:
Corbyn had cosied up to terrorist organisations so he’d never had got in in my opinion.
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I mean, I hate to labour a point, but a terrorist literally murdered a sitting MP during the Brexit campaign, because she was anti-Brexit, so I’m guessing people’s aversion to terrorism isn’t quite as absolute as you suggest.
 
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Grendel

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  • Jun 24, 2021
  • #51,104
shmmeee said:
I mean, I hate to labour a point, but a terrorist literally murdered a sitting MP during the Brexit campaign, because she was anti-Brexit, so I’m guessing people’s aversion to terrorism isn’t quite as absolute as you suggest.
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By your own argument sitting MP's have been murdered by an organisation the ex leader of the labour party and his shadow chancellor fully endorsed - the shadow chancellor even going as far as to say the only regret was Thatcher was not killed in the Brighton bombings
 
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shmmeee

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  • Jun 24, 2021
  • #51,105
Grendel said:
By your own argument sitting MP's have been murdered by an organisation the ex leader of the labour party and his shadow chancellor fully endorsed - the shadow chancellor even going as far as to say the only regret was Thatcher was not killed in the Brighton bombings
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Yeah. So you get the point then. Although obviously one happened in recent history and one 30 years ago.

Point is everyone’s against terrorism until their side does it then it’s not so bad.

So spare me the moral outrage. Personally I think both are cunts.
 
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Brighton Sky Blue

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  • Jun 24, 2021
  • #51,106
Grendel said:
By your own argument sitting MP's have been murdered by an organisation the ex leader of the labour party and his shadow chancellor fully endorsed - the shadow chancellor even going as far as to say the only regret was Thatcher was not killed in the Brighton bombings
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The current PM said ‘let the bodies pile high’, I take it you morally object to his premiership?
 
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shmmeee

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  • Jun 24, 2021
  • #51,107
Brighton Sky Blue said:
The current PM said ‘let the bodies pile high’, I take it you morally object to his premiership?
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Also, you know, the ties to the Russians, the anti semitism, the arranging a journalist to get beaten up.
 
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PVA

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  • Jun 24, 2021
  • #51,108
And the Islamophobia. Oh wait, that's a guaranteed vote winner for Grendel.
 

clint van damme

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  • Jun 24, 2021
  • #51,109
skybluetony176 said:
Fight club mentality.
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Come on mate, you know the first rule.......
 
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COV

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  • Jun 24, 2021
  • #51,110
shmmeee said:
Also, you know, the ties to the Russians, the anti semitism, the arranging a journalist to get beaten up.
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bit out of my area here but banging on about Corbyn- wasn't Thatcher close with Pinochet, who was responsible for 30,000 instances of torture and murder, and had 300 human rights crimes piled up against him when he died? Didn't Thatcher arrange to put him up & send him booze or something because he helped in the Falklands War

Just goes to show- people think its all very unseemly and nasty until it suits them
 

fernandopartridge

Well-Known Member
  • Jun 24, 2021
  • #51,111
PVA said:
Through his own stupidity. Hard to have sympathy.

Remember, he knew what he voted for and he won so I should get over it
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It isn't really about Brexit it's about an entire economy built around extracting maximu profit which leads to stagnant or decreased pay which leads to price freezes which leads to more driving down costs ie pay.
 

skybluetony176

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  • Jun 24, 2021
  • #51,112
shmmeee said:
Also, you know, the ties to the Russians, the anti semitism, the arranging a journalist to get beaten up.
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Supplying of arms to a dictatorship that’s using them illegally in Yemen.
 

Grendel

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  • Jun 24, 2021
  • #51,113
COV said:
bit out of my area here but banging on about Corbyn- wasn't Thatcher close with Pinochet, who was responsible for 30,000 instances of torture and murder, and had 300 human rights crimes piled up against him when he died? Didn't Thatcher arrange to put him up & send him booze or something because he helped in the Falklands War

Just goes to show- people think its all very unseemly and nasty until it suits them
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I don’t think she said “what’s 5 dead Labour MPs - a start” or thank an organisation for murdering U.K. citizens on their own soil. As we know Corbyn supports murderers and terrorists everywhere - supporting murder on your own soil is all down to him and his mate McDonnell - odd your “recollection” seems clearly on a Chilean dictator than Mr Mcguiness and Mr Adams
 
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Brighton Sky Blue

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  • Jun 24, 2021
  • #51,114
skybluetony176 said:
Supplying of arms to a dictatorship that’s using them illegally in Yemen.
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Pre-emptive flag you have there Tone
 
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Brighton Sky Blue

Well-Known Member
  • Jun 24, 2021
  • #51,115
Grendel said:
I don’t think she said “what’s 5 dead Labour MPs - a start” or thank an organisation for murdering U.K. citizens on their own soil. As we know Corbyn supports murderers and terrorists everywhere - supporting murder on your own soil is all down to him and his mate McDonnell - odd your “recollection” seems clearly on a Chilean dictator than Mr Mcguiness and Mr Adams
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Who said to let the electorate’s bodies pile high?
 

skybluetony176

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  • Jun 24, 2021
  • #51,116
Brighton Sky Blue said:
Pre-emptive flag you have there Tone
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Ahead of the game
 

rondog1973

Well-Known Member
  • Jun 24, 2021
  • #51,117
Grendel said:
I don’t think she said “what’s 5 dead Labour MPs - a start” or thank an organisation for murdering U.K. citizens on their own soil. As we know Corbyn supports murderers and terrorists everywhere - supporting murder on your own soil is all down to him and his mate McDonnell - odd your “recollection” seems clearly on a Chilean dictator than Mr Mcguiness and Mr Adams
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Maria Gatland?
 

shmmeee

Well-Known Member
  • Jun 24, 2021
  • #51,118
COV said:
bit out of my area here but banging on about Corbyn- wasn't Thatcher close with Pinochet, who was responsible for 30,000 instances of torture and murder, and had 300 human rights crimes piled up against him when he died? Didn't Thatcher arrange to put him up & send him booze or something because he helped in the Falklands War

Just goes to show- people think its all very unseemly and nasty until it suits them
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Yeah.
Grendel said:
I don’t think she said “what’s 5 dead Labour MPs - a start” or thank an organisation for murdering U.K. citizens on their own soil. As we know Corbyn supports murderers and terrorists everywhere - supporting murder on your own soil is all down to him and his mate McDonnell - odd your “recollection” seems clearly on a Chilean dictator than Mr Mcguiness and Mr Adams
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Oh we don’t like death threats now?

Man, 34, 'sent death threat to Corbyn after branding him a terrorist'

Paul Ritchie is charged with almost 30 counts of sending a threatening communication to politicians also including John Bercow, Dominic Grieve and Chuka Umunna.
uk.news.yahoo.com

Redirect Notice

And those are just one ones that made the courts.

You really do make this too easy
 

COV

Well-Known Member
  • Jun 24, 2021
  • #51,119
Grendel said:
I don’t think she said “what’s 5 dead Labour MPs - a start” or thank an organisation for murdering U.K. citizens on their own soil. As we know Corbyn supports murderers and terrorists everywhere - supporting murder on your own soil is all down to him and his mate McDonnell - odd your “recollection” seems clearly on a Chilean dictator than Mr Mcguiness and Mr Adams
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Not true, I’m agreeing with shmmeee that they’re all the same. Odd that you dismiss 30k murdered and tortured when they’re not British- kind of point proved, it’s all about what suits people when it comes to indignation and disgust
 
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Grendel

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  • Jun 24, 2021
  • #51,120
COV said:
Not true, I’m agreeing with shmmeee that they’re all the same. Odd that you dismiss 30k murdered and tortured when they’re not British- kind of point proved, it’s all about what suits people when it comes to indignation and disgust
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Most people on here deny Mr Corbyn has any terrorist links?
 
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Brighton Sky Blue

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  • Jun 24, 2021
  • #51,121
Grendel said:
Most people on here deny Mr Corbyn has any terrorist links?
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He was ‘investigated’ and found to have none. I suspect he’d long have been arrested if he really did
 

skybluetony176

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  • Jun 24, 2021
  • #51,122
rondog1973 said:
Maria Gatland?
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The 3 Stevens enquiries that uncovered state collusion with loyalists paramilitaries leading to the murders of British citizens on British soil. Pretty much exclusively under a Tory government I seem to remember.
 

COV

Well-Known Member
  • Jun 24, 2021
  • #51,123
Grendel said:
Most people on here deny Mr Corbyn has any terrorist links?
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I am not denying anything, I am merely saying that people are very selective when they decide who to aim their disgust at.

Corbyn links to the IRA? "What a despicable human being!!"
Thatcher links to Pinochet? "Well that wasn't on British soil and they helped us kill the Argies"
Johnson on about piling the bodies high? "CON +10"

You are either against this sort of thing or you're not, you can't decide whats horrible & what isn't based on which political party you support, that just immediately removes any credibility from your views.
 
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Grendel

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  • Jun 24, 2021
  • #51,124
Brighton Sky Blue said:
He was ‘investigated’ and found to have none. I suspect he’d long have been arrested if he really did
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Well on that logic Mr Johnson has never been arrested for anything so....

Mr Corbyn has been arrested by the way
 
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PVA

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  • Jun 24, 2021
  • #51,125
COV said:
You are either against this sort of thing or you're not, you can't decide whats horrible & what isn't based on which political party you support, that just immediately removes any credibility from your views.
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Exactly. But you can't reason with people like him. Too entrenched in the Tory cult.

Labour antisemitism = appalling
Tory Islamophobia = nothing to see here

Labour MP puts earphones on expenses = string her up
Tories siphon billions of pounds to their mates = perfectly acceptable

Keir Starmer, son of a toolmaker = elitist posh snob
Alexander de Pfeffel Johnson, born with a silver spoon in his mouth = man of the people

Etc etc
 

COV

Well-Known Member
  • Jun 24, 2021
  • #51,126
PVA said:
Exactly. But you can't reason with people like him. Too entrenched in the Tory cult.

Labour antisemitism = appalling
Tory Islamophobia = nothing to see here

Labour MP puts earphones on expenses = string her up
Tories siphon billions of pounds to their mates = perfectly acceptable

Keir Starmer, son of a toolmaker = elitist posh snob
Alexander de Pfeffel Johnson, born with a silver spoon in his mouth = man of the people

Etc etc
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I can't disagree with that.

Whats more, he knows it, but ultimately doesn't care one iota, because..

.. CON +10

And this is the inherent weakness with his argument- because its so petty and pathetic with both sides just pointing fingers at each other, soon as someone comes along who has no affiliation to any party and points out that, in fact, what one side has done is just as bad as what the other side has done, they have no answer at all because the attempts to divert to other people fail as facts take precedence over blind loyalty.

I've no doubt that Labour have behaved terribly, but that does not somehow wipe clean the way that the conservatives have acted, and continue to act.
 
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Brighton Sky Blue

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  • Jun 24, 2021
  • #51,127
Grendel said:
Well on that logic Mr Johnson has never been arrested for anything so....

Mr Corbyn has been arrested by the way
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Has Corbyn ever been prosecuted for terror connections?
 

Grendel

Well-Known Member
  • Jun 24, 2021
  • #51,128
Brighton Sky Blue said:
Has Corbyn ever been prosecuted for terror connections?
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He was arrested for protesting for the Brighton murderer - you asked if he was arrested - he was upset his conditions were not cosy enough in his prison cell.

Also you seem not able to deny anything I attributed to him and his cohort Mr McDonnell - who has never denied saying bombs and bullets against UK citizens were justified

He said it - you can't rewrite history

At least you finally admit all this talk about Boris Johnson being corrupt and dishonest is schoolboy nonsense he has not been charged let alone arrested
 

shmmeee

Well-Known Member
  • Jun 24, 2021
  • #51,129
Grendel said:
He was arrested for protesting for the Brighton murderer - you asked if he was arrested - he was upset his conditions were not cosy enough in his prison cell.

Also you seem not able to deny anything I attributed to him and his cohort Mr McDonnell - who has never denied saying bombs and bullets against UK citizens were justified

He said it - you can't rewrite history

At least you finally admit all this talk about Boris Johnson being corrupt and dishonest is schoolboy nonsense he has not been charged let alone arrested
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You get arrested before you get charged.

And again. You can’t play guilt by association or you have to accept you’re on the side of white nationalist terrorists.
 
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PVA

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  • Jun 24, 2021
  • #51,130
The mental gymnastics he goes through to defend his precious Tories

No one should incessantly defend a political party like that, embarrassing.


 

Evo1883

Well-Known Member
  • Jun 24, 2021
  • #51,131
PVA said:
Fair enough

It was a genuine question though. As a Leave voter, has your life improved as a result of Brexit?
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My life is no different at all if im honest

Infact , I can't remember an election over the last 20 years where I felt any different at All
 

Grendel

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  • Jun 24, 2021
  • #51,132
Evo1883 said:
My life is no different at all if im honest

Infact , I can't remember an election over the last 20 years where I felt any different at All
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95% of peoples lives do not change and thats the point
 
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Brighton Sky Blue

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  • Jun 24, 2021
  • #51,133
Grendel said:
He was arrested for protesting for the Brighton murderer - you asked if he was arrested - he was upset his conditions were not cosy enough in his prison cell.

Also you seem not able to deny anything I attributed to him and his cohort Mr McDonnell - who has never denied saying bombs and bullets against UK citizens were justified

He said it - you can't rewrite history

At least you finally admit all this talk about Boris Johnson being corrupt and dishonest is schoolboy nonsense he has not been charged let alone arrested
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I’m not much of a fan of Mr Corbyn at this point in time, he like anyone has said unfortunate things. A bit like the ‘bodies pile up’ comment you keep swerving.
 
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PVA

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  • Jun 24, 2021
  • #51,134
Evo1883 said:
My life is no different at all if im honest

Infact , I can't remember an election over the last 20 years where I felt any different at All
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So we've trashed the economy, put people out of business, ruined fishing and farming industries, wasted eye watering sums of money all for... no benefit whatsoever?

And you wonder why people think Brexit is a totally pointless waste of time!
 
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Brighton Sky Blue

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  • Jun 24, 2021
  • #51,135
Yes @Grendel it is funny how you side step anything inconvenient.
 
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