The EU: In, out, shake it all about.... (11 Viewers)

[PVA]

I think once again you've totally missed the point.

It's not saying "they're foreign so it's OK and we don't care about their working conditions." It's the acknowledgment that British workers are not willing to work under such pay and conditions and that this leaves the choice of let it rot or bring in people who will accept them.

That conditions in their own country are such that they see this as improved wages/conditions over staying at home is a travesty.But it's not like the slave trade where they're just being taken from their own country by force and made to work here - it's a choice. We choose not to do it, they do.

Exactly. Apparently it's beyond his comprehension though and we're all appalling racists for encouraging FOM.

 

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[Grendel]

As long as foreigners are doing this PVA thinks it’s funny - “they don’t have to come here”

Bitter harvest: how exploitation and abuse stalks migrant workers on UK farms

 

[skybluetony176]

I think if you look at how anyone consumes you'll find some purchasing history at odds with their political stance.

I thibk we really need an end to the throw away consumer society though I don't 5hink it's possible.

I stopped using Amazon some time ago myself.

Anyone with an electric car for instance has a hand in child labour unfortunately. Cobalt mines in Africa rely heavily on child labour and cobalt is a mineral used in the batteries on cars, phones, battery operated tools etc.

 

[Grendel]

They choose to come here. They aren't forced you know.

They could stay in their country or even move to a non EU country if they are that perturbed by the working conditions here.

THEY chose to come here If THEY are that perturbed THEY don’t have to - so the working conditions are ones by your own admission are not acceptable to uk workers but hey THEY take the choices yeah?


Bitter harvest: how exploitation and abuse stalks migrant workers on UK farms

 

[Grendel]

PVA is now on ignore I’m not having to put up with his views on EU migrants having to accept conditions the British think is above them

 

[PVA]

You are making up imaginary arguments you weirdo.

Trying to paint me as the bad guy is absurd, particularly coming from a known xenophobe like yourself.

You are human garbage, a genuinely awful person.

 

[PVA]

PVA is now on ignore I’m not having to put up with his views on EU migrants having to accept conditions the British think is above them

Hahaha toys out the pram, you daft old racist.

I'm for people having freedom of movement, the freedom to make their own choices, yet I'm the bad guy and you're the good guy because you want to kick them out. Laughable!

 

[chiefdave]

As I said this is the Eu I’m all it’s glory

Let the foreigners endure crap conditions as long as I get my fruit - hardly a ringing endorsement for freedom of movement

Thought Jeremy Corbyn had signed up to the forum for a minute layful:

It would be nice to think that this was leading to an improvement in workers pay and conditions but the fact that Johnson removed the requiement to match EU standards from the Brexit bill last December promising an Employment Bill, of which there is still no sign, doesn't give much confidence.

History would tell you that when one underpaid and / or mistreated group is removed from the equation another is brought in to take their place. Child labour, women, Irish, army, Soviets, Eastern Europeans, who will be next? Suspect the reality is we will see something along the lines of SAWS return.

 

[Alan Dugdales Moustache]

You are making up imaginary arguments you weirdo.
Trying to paint me as the bad guy is absurd, particularly coming from a known xenophobe like yourself.
You are human garbage, a genuinely awful person.

You really do need to grow up. Mocking people who endured the blitz and clearly unable to tolerate those with a different view to your own .
Still, in years to come you'll be able to recall the great covid spirit of 2020, only to be mocked by some spotty teenager 50 years later who has his mobile phone grafted into his frontal lobe

 

[Ring Of Steel]

You really do need to grow up. Mocking people who endured the blitz and clearly unable to tolerate those with a different view to your own .
Still, in years to come you'll be able to recall the great covid spirit of 2020, only to be mocked by some spotty teenager 50 years later who has his mobile phone grafted into his frontal lobe

The covid spirit of 2019- stampedes for toilet rolls, an invisible leader whose incompetence contributed to 60k+ deaths and 2 hours queues at KFC.

 

[PVA]

You really do need to grow up. Mocking people who endured the blitz and clearly unable to tolerate those with a different view to your own .
Still, in years to come you'll be able to recall the great covid spirit of 2020, only to be mocked by some spotty teenager 50 years later who has his mobile phone grafted into his frontal lobe

I haven't mocked the blitz you berk, I was quoting your vote leave mates.

At a time of crisis, there is nothing wrong with invoking the Blitz spirit

‘British wartime pluck’ is a modern invention: using it for Brexit is ludicrous

We need to recapture our 'Blitz spirit' to tackle the tough political challenges ahead

 

[skybluetony176]

Suspect the reality is we will see something along the lines of SAWS return.

Undoubtedly. Working in the same conditions but with less rights and double taxed for the privilege of maybe having to use the NHS. Still grendull will be happy as he knew what he voted for so clearly he voted to take back control and make lives worse for seasonal workers.

 

[clint van damme]

You really do need to grow up. Mocking people who endured the blitz and clearly unable to tolerate those with a different view to your own .
Still, in years to come you'll be able to recall the great covid spirit of 2020, only to be mocked by some spotty teenager 50 years later who has his mobile phone grafted into his frontal lobe

Are you saying Grendel endured the blitz?!
How old do you think he is?!

 

[skybluetony176]

PVA is now on ignore I’m not having to put up with his views on EU migrants having to accept conditions the British think is above them

You do realise that they’re still going to come and actually by voting leave you’ve diminished their rights and they’re going to have to lose even more money than they do currently as they’re going to have to pay for the privilege of maybe using the NHS.

 

[skybluetony176]

Are you saying Grendel endured the blitz?!
How old do you think he is?!

I think he must mean the nightclub that used to be on the corner of railway terrace in Rugby. They used to have a singles night in the 80’s for over 40’s.

 

[clint van damme]

I think he must mean the nightclub that used to be on the corner of railway terrace in Rugby. They used to have a singles night in the 80’s for over 40’s.

Every town had one!

 

[PVA]

You do realise that they’re still going to come and actually by voting leave you’ve diminished their rights and they’re going to have to lose even more money than they do currently as they’re going to have to pay for the privilege of maybe using the NHS.

No he doesn't realise.

He thinks he's the saviour for wanting to keep them out and that we are the bad guys for wanting to keep and encourage freedom of movement. It's absurd cultist behaviour

 

[skybluetony176]

No he doesn't realise.

He thinks he's the saviour for wanting to keep them out and that we are the bad guys for wanting to keep and encourage freedom of movement. It's absurd cultist behaviour

Such a disingenuous argument. Trying to make out others don’t give a fuck about seasonal workers working conditions when he’s undoubtedly just voted to make it worse.

 

[chiefdave]

Great news about the Nissan plant in Sunderland, obviously not so good for Barcelona.

Hopefully its all above board and isn't reliant on the government promising to cover the cost of any negative impact due to Brexit.
Nissan was offered secret state aid to cope with Brexit, minister concedes

 

[Alan Dugdales Moustache]

I haven't mocked the blitz you berk, I was quoting your vote leave mates.

Berk ? That's funny.

 

[Alan Dugdales Moustache]

I think he must mean the nightclub that used to be on the corner of railway terrace in Rugby. They used to have a singles night in the 80’s for over 40’s.

Did you have a season ticket ?

 

[Alan Dugdales Moustache]

No he doesn't realise.

He thinks he's the saviour for wanting to keep them out and that we are the bad guys for wanting to keep and encourage freedom of movement. It's absurd cultist behaviour

I suspect it's somewhere in the middle. You're name calling however and seeking reassurance from your buddies smacks of insecurity .

 

[Grendel]

Did you have a season ticket ?

Only thing he’d have a season ticket for

 

[shmmeee]

No no no. No skirting over the issue. Enquiring minds need to know: is Grendel over 90? If not he didn’t endure the Blitz in any real sense.

 

[skybluetony176]

Did you have a season ticket ?

I was about 14 at the time so didn’t qualify.

 

[Alan Dugdales Moustache]

I was about 14 at the time so didn’t qualify.

Well I was about 14 and I got one, so you are lying.

 

[Grendel]

Well I was about 14 and I got one, so you are lying.

Tony doesn’t know in terms of football what a season ticket is so he’s confused by the term

 

[skybluetony176]

Well I was about 14 and I got one, so you are lying.

You had a season ticket to the Blitz nightclub in rugby at 14?

 

[skybluetony176]

Tony doesn’t know in terms of football what a season ticket is so he’s confused by the term

How was the security hut today?

 

[Alan Dugdales Moustache]

You had a season ticket to the Blitz nightclub in rugby at 14?

It's okay. It was just a bit of a joke. Go and have a lie down.

 

[chiefdave]

Anyone see Gove trip himself up on Marr this morning? Was being questioned about the prospect of no deal given we are insisting on leaving in December despite being in the middle of a pandemic and had to admit that no deal would lead to increased food prices.

Marr then followed up by asking him why this was never mentioned during the campaign and of course the reply was the leave campaign were not campaigning to leave with no deal. Why are we now considering doing just that? Seems to contradict the 'we know what we voted for' line.

 

[chiefdave]

A lot was made in the Brexit campaign of taking back control and the sovereignty of parliament. In light of that would be interested in peoples thoughts on MPs unable to attended parliament due to the current coronavirus situation having their ability to vote removed. As well as reduced time for debating caused by the greatly increased voting time and limited access to debates due to restrictions on the number of MPs in the house.

 

[clint van damme]

If your MP cannot attend because they or one of their household is vulnerable you are basically left without democratic representation in parliament.

It probably doesn't make a great deal of difference given the size of the tory majority but still.

 

[Grendel]

If your MP cannot attend because they or one of their household is vulnerable you are basically left without democratic representation in parliament.

It probably doesn't make a great deal of difference given the size of the tory majority but still.

Mps normally have second homes In London and stop there in the week - this really is straw clutching

 

[clint van damme]

Mps normally have second homes In London and stop there in the week - this really is straw clutching

Straw clutching how?