The EU: In, out, shake it all about....

As of right now, how are thinking of voting? In or out

  • Remain

    Votes: 23 37.1%
  • Leave

    Votes: 35 56.5%
  • Undecided

    Votes: 3 4.8%
  • Not registered or not intention to vote

    Votes: 1 1.6%

  • Total voters
    62
  • Poll closed .

Sick Boy

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All the name calling needs to stop. Then we can get down to that silly word 'debating'. Then maybe we could all learn something.
Or just block people who challenge you and try to put their own opinions forward.
 

Brighton Sky Blue

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That is one person who we all expect it from whatever the subject is. Sometimes right but frequently not. And it is mainly opinions which I say nothing about most of the time.

So when was the last criticism that you agreed with? Keeping quiet isn't agreeing with it.
I could give you a long list of all the times I’ve criticised Labour, Corbyn or both. Just the other week I went after Diane Abbott.

I’ve also said about a dozen times that Corbyn is no longer fit for purpose as leader. But this seems to escape your attention along with all the other criticisms I’ve made of him and the party, mostly over Brexit but also the private schools idea.
 

Sick Boy

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I could give you a long list of all the times I’ve criticised Labour, Corbyn or both. Just the other week I went after Diane Abbott.

I’ve also said about a dozen times that Corbyn is no longer fit for purpose as leader. But this seems to escape your attention along with all the other criticisms I’ve made of him and the party, mostly over Brexit but also the private schools idea.
I once challenged him to actually name all of those posters who always defend Corbyn and guess what...he wasn't able to.
 

Grendel

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Why would you think that would make any difference?

Do you just want to get to whatever pathetic, ill thought out gotcha moment you are trying to achieve and save everyone some time?


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Well because Diane Abbot said exactly that on the Andrew Neil show.

“on balance he did more good than bad” the slaughter was worth it for the pursuit of socialism
 

Brighton Sky Blue

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I proved it yesterday that you tried to make out it wasn't the fault of Brown. Look at one post of tours I brought up. 'Even if Brown did cause the damage to pensions' was the best admission I could ever get from you. But you then ended up with making out it was the fault of my generation for what Bliar and Brown did.

If, as what my worry is, McDonnell gets in and spends hundreds of billions in the next 5 years and makes a mess of our countries finances meaning that the Tories get back in and go on the austerity push once more will it be your generation to blame or mine?
McDonnell won’t get in, we both know that. Let’s suppose he does and he wrecks the economy-if I voted for him I would admit my mistake. But there is nobody from my generation yet in a position to run for office.

This is about recognising that the economic reality for millennials is harder than it was for their parents. You seem to ignore any evidence even when you post contradictory BBC articles on the subject. Corbyn and McDonnell only have the leadership because of the failings of a Tory-lite Labour and neoliberal policies.
 
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djr8369

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Well because Diane Abbot said exactly that on the Andrew Neil show.

“on balance he did more good than bad” the slaughter was worth it for the pursuit of socialism
Ok? Clearly the ranting of somebody foolishly tied to an ideology. Have you got a point to make?


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Grendel

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Ok? Clearly the ranting of somebody foolishly tied to an ideology. Have you got a point to make?


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Well do you think such a person should be a potential cabinet member or even an MP?

I mean people think Johnson is unfit for office for a couple of unfortunate phrases
 

Grendel

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Tbf G knows he’s just playing along to deflect from any criticism I’ve sent his way.


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No I think you talk utter drivel oddly surfaced at the same time as Mad Mart went away down his bunker for some debriefing
 

Brighton Sky Blue

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Well do you think such a person should be a potential cabinet member or even an MP?

I mean people think Johnson is unfit for office for a couple of unfortunate phrases
I’ve argued before she should be nowhere near the cabinet. Johnson however openly expressed racist views in a newspaper and the newspaper backed him up. One would think therefore that it is less an unfortunate mistake and more a sincerely held belief. Who can forget the ‘watermelon smiles’ line...
 

djr8369

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No I think you talk utter drivel oddly surfaced at the same time as Mad Mart went away down his bunker for some debriefing
I was actually on here while Mart was, this is something you’ve made up.

You also know I work at JLR and Mart works in a bar in Europe.



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djr8369

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Well do you think such a person should be a potential cabinet member or even an MP?

I mean people think Johnson is unfit for office for a couple of unfortunate phrases
No, I don’t.

I’ve told you several times I’m not a labour supporter and these childish distractions are transparent.


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Grendel

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No, I don’t.

I’ve told you several times I’m not a labour supporter and these childish distractions are transparent.


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distractions from what?

You involved yourself in the discussion not me
 

Astute

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McDonnell won’t get in, we both know that. Let’s suppose he does and he wrecks the economy-if I voted for him I would admit my mistake. But there is nobody from my generation yet in a position to run for office.

This is about recognising that the economic reality for millennials is harder than it was for their parents. You seem to ignore any evidence even when you post contradictory BBC articles on the subject. Corbyn and McDonnell only have the leadership because of the failings of a Tory-lite Labour and neoliberal policies.
And this is where I don't get you defending the policies.

House prices are vastly up. But as we saw they are about as affordable as they always were because of the lowest ever interest rates. But to help the younger generations in older life (yes their pensions got obliterated before they even started) many could rely on money left them. They could invest it for their futures. But you think it is a good idea for it to be heavily taxed. This money could make a massive difference to many. The poorer the recipient the more of a difference it would make.

Let's have a bit of a guess here. 250k house. First 125k tax free. 125k at 40% tax. 50k tax. 200k handed over less expenses. Shared between 2 is 25k lost each. 500k house. Not unusual these days. 125k tax free. 375k 40% tax. 150k tax. 75k each lost to tax. Shared between 3 is 50k lost to tax each. The difference between securing a future and not if they couldn't afford to buy a house before. So they still rely on the state.

It is the man on the street that would get hit not the rich. Labour are supposed to be for the man on the street. Take from the rich and give to the poor. The rich stay rich as they manage to keep their money in the family.

So a generation ago Labour did a bad job. So it was the fault of my generation. A generation later they do it again. Why wouldn't it be your fault this time?
 

djr8369

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distractions from what?

You involved yourself in the discussion not me
You do the same anytime anyone criticises the tories, “but labour!” “But junker!”

Bit low to say everything I say is drivel. I’m one of the few people who has bothered to keep engaging and draw you into an actual conversation with a point.


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You do the same anytime anyone criticises the tories, “but labour!” “But junker!”

Bit low to say everything I say is drivel. I’m one of the few people who has bothered to keep engaging and draw you into an actual conversation with a point.


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Bit sensitive aren’t you?
 

djr8369

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Do you work at the same site?
Used to (I think) he’s retired now I think but we had a convo a few months ago where I said that was my concern about no deal and he said there’s nothing to worry about as “he knew what was really going on”


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Brighton Sky Blue

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And this is where I don't get you defending the policies.

House prices are vastly up. But as we saw they are about as affordable as they always were because of the lowest ever interest rates. But to help the younger generations in older life (yes their pensions got obliterated before they even started) many could rely on money left them. They could invest it for their futures. But you think it is a good idea for it to be heavily taxed. This money could make a massive difference to many. The poorer the recipient the more of a difference it would make.

Let's have a bit of a guess here. 250k house. First 125k tax free. 125k at 40% tax. 50k tax. 200k handed over less expenses. Shared between 2 is 25k lost each. 500k house. Not unusual these days. 125k tax free. 375k 40% tax. 150k tax. 75k each lost to tax. Shared between 3 is 50k lost to tax each. The difference between securing a future and not if they couldn't afford to buy a house before. So they still rely on the state.

It is the man on the street that would get hit not the rich. Labour are supposed to be for the man on the street. Take from the rich and give to the poor. The rich stay rich as they manage to keep their money in the family.
Interest rates may well be better but that isn’t the issue so much as saving for the deposit along with the physical price of the house. Moreover there are no 0% deposits now as there used to be. 5% sometimes depending on the lender, mostly at least 10. Overall it is harder which is why home ownership has plummeted for those in my age bracket. Fortunately the missus and I earned enough to save up but it did wipe out both sets of savings to see it through.
 

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Well do you think such a person should be a potential cabinet member or even an MP?

I mean people think Johnson is unfit for office for a couple of unfortunate phrases
Only unfit because of a couple of comments? The bloke is a total liability. The Tories have become a joke. The only reason they are ahead now is that there is nobody the public trusts. And none of them deserve our trust.
 
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Astute

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Interest rates may well be better but that isn’t the issue so much as saving for the deposit along with the physical price of the house. Moreover there are no 0% deposits now as there used to be. 5% sometimes depending on the lender, mostly at least 10. Overall it is harder which is why home ownership has plummeted for those in my age bracket. Fortunately the missus and I earned enough to save up but it did wipe out both sets of savings to see it through.
Which is why I say about the tax being talked about on inheritance. They sa about 40% of older people help the younger ones buy. Life isn't easy. Or should I be one of those who is doing OK so not care?
 

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Well do you think such a person should be a potential cabinet member or even an MP?

I mean people think Johnson is unfit for office for a couple of unfortunate phrases
It’s not a couple of “unfortunate” phrased that makes Johnson unfit it’s the constant lying. It’s the latter that makes him the most unfit out of any of them.
 

djr8369

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Generalised ones. You did apologise once. Wouldn't have mentioned it if not asked why.
I apologised the other week for confusing a comment somebody had made thinking it was you?


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And this is where I don't get you defending the policies.

House prices are vastly up. But as we saw they are about as affordable as they always were because of the lowest ever interest rates. But to help the younger generations in older life (yes their pensions got obliterated before they even started) many could rely on money left them. They could invest it for their futures. But you think it is a good idea for it to be heavily taxed. This money could make a massive difference to many. The poorer the recipient the more of a difference it would make.

Let's have a bit of a guess here. 250k house. First 125k tax free. 125k at 40% tax. 50k tax. 200k handed over less expenses. Shared between 2 is 25k lost each. 500k house. Not unusual these days. 125k tax free. 375k 40% tax. 150k tax. 75k each lost to tax. Shared between 3 is 50k lost to tax each. The difference between securing a future and not if they couldn't afford to buy a house before. So they still rely on the state.

It is the man on the street that would get hit not the rich. Labour are supposed to be for the man on the street. Take from the rich and give to the poor. The rich stay rich as they manage to keep their money in the family.

So a generation ago Labour did a bad job. So it was the fault of my generation. A generation later they do it again. Why wouldn't it be your fault this time?
By your own made up figures (again this isn’t actually Labour policy), each person still gets more than enough for a good deposit on a decent house. That 500k house is only paid off because they bought it for £100k then spent decades voting in politicians who implemented policies designed to raise house prices. That breaks the inter generational contract. That’s why the under 40s are pissed off. Your generation has good jobs, decent pensions, affordable houses, and free education. Then when you became the voting majority decided all that stuff is socialist nonsense and got rid of it.