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The EU: In, out, shake it all about.... (9 Viewers)

  • Thread starter jimmyhillsfanclub
  • Start date Jun 8, 2016
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As of right now, how are thinking of voting? In or out

  • Remain

    Votes: 23 37.1%
  • Leave

    Votes: 35 56.5%
  • Undecided

    Votes: 3 4.8%
  • Not registered or not intention to vote

    Votes: 1 1.6%

  • Total voters
    62
  • Poll closed Jun 15, 2016.
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Brighton Sky Blue

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  • Nov 7, 2019
  • #45,886
Astute said:
Who is defending the Tories?

Shall we make a list of those of you that constantly defend Labour?

Are you going to finally admit that Brown killed off final salary pensions when you just blame my generation for it? Just like you just blame my generation for Bliar going to war on a lie.
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G, Dim, Baz, Dutch, etc etc

Shall we make a list of all the criticisms I alone have made of Labour and Corbyn in this entire thread? How about everyone else?
 
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Grendel

Well-Known Member
  • Nov 7, 2019
  • #45,887
Sky_Blue_Dreamer said:
But as this would be a new method of dealing with inheritance intestacy rules could be changed so that an independent body would be appointed by a court. It wouldn't focus on no-will estates - it would be on all estates. I merely mentioned intestate as it would be a grey area that would need to be accounted for in legislation.

In such unbelievably rare and specific cases such as that an exceptional circumstances claim could be sent through the courts, fast-tracked if necessary if there is an imminent threat to their life.

Before you say that could leave it open to abuse, there is never a perfect piece of legislation and a false claim would be fraud.
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What you are basically proposing is a court and an independent body to control hard working people’s legacy to their children

Its beyond disgusting
 
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Brighton Sky Blue

Well-Known Member
  • Nov 7, 2019
  • #45,888
Grendel said:
Its beyond disgusting
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Trying to argue that Hitler was good for Germany? Yeah guess it is
 
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Grendel

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  • Nov 7, 2019
  • #45,889
Brighton Sky Blue said:
Trying to argue that Hitler was good for Germany? Yeah guess it is
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I haven’t said he was
 

Alan Dugdales Moustache

Well-Known Member
  • Nov 7, 2019
  • #45,890
martcov said:
How do you know if and why he voted remain? Saying that he did only because it’s easier shows how little thought you put into the decision. Most remainers don’t claim to have voted for remain because it is easier. It makes more sense to vote remain as we keep all benefits. Leave is up shit creek without a paddle. The Leader is fighting the Leave campaign. Leavers claim that 17.4 m voted knowing what they voted for. Obviously a lie as there are still several versions of leave. They voted for blue sky ( not sky blue ) and sunny uplands. More fool them.
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You've resorted to the old name then, and still . the same bullshit as ever. Have you been chasing the young ladies again you mucky old pensioner ?
 

Grendel

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  • Nov 7, 2019
  • #45,891
Lock up your granddaughters Mart is back in town
 
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Alan Dugdales Moustache

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  • Nov 7, 2019
  • #45,892
Grendel said:
Lock up your granddaughters Mart is back in town
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...if he ever really left.
 
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Brighton Sky Blue

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  • Nov 7, 2019
  • #45,893
Grendel said:
I haven’t said he was
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Ian1779

Well-Known Member
  • Nov 7, 2019
  • #45,894
Astute said:
Who is defending the Tories?

Shall we make a list of those of you that constantly defend Labour?

Are you going to finally admit that Brown killed off final salary pensions when you just blame my generation for it? Just like you just blame my generation for Bliar going to war on a lie.
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No one blames your generation for what Blair did... he can take that mantle all on his own.

And yes you are right - Brown did kill off those pensions, and I imagine the Tories would have done the same if in power at that time.

I understand you wanting to protect your pension... but are you planning on taking it at 65 or 75?
And what about those that aren’t in the position you’ve worked hard for? Should they work till they die under Tory rule?
 

Grendel

Well-Known Member
  • Nov 7, 2019
  • #45,895
Brighton Sky Blue said:
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I presented a scenario which is endorsed by the foreign (or is it home?) secretary - I agree it’s disgusting
 

Sky_Blue_Dreamer

Well-Known Member
  • Nov 7, 2019
  • #45,896
Grendel said:
What you are basically proposing is a court and an independent body to control hard working people’s legacy to their children

Its beyond disgusting
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More disgusting than taking 40% of it because they died?
 
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Brighton Sky Blue

Well-Known Member
  • Nov 7, 2019
  • #45,897
Grendel said:
I presented a scenario which is endorsed by the foreign (or is it home?) secretary - I agree it’s disgusting
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Vintage G
 

Astute

Well-Known Member
  • Nov 7, 2019
  • #45,898
Brighton Sky Blue said:
G, Dim, Baz, Dutch, etc etc

Shall we make a list of all the criticisms I alone have made of Labour and Corbyn in this entire thread? How about everyone else?
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I criticise him. Are you telling me he is above criticism when all the others are not?

If so just tell me to continue to criticise everyone but Corbyn.

Or just point out where Boris gets defended like Corbyn does.
 

Astute

Well-Known Member
  • Nov 7, 2019
  • #45,899
Ian1779 said:
No one blames your generation for what Blair did... he can take that mantle all on his own.

And yes you are right - Brown did kill off those pensions, and I imagine the Tories would have done the same if in power at that time.

I understand you wanting to protect your pension... but are you planning on taking it at 65 or 75?
And what about those that aren’t in the position you’ve worked hard for? Should they work till they die under Tory rule?
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Have you ignored the posts by BSB? That is what has got me going.

He blamed my generation for the loss of final salary pensions. And if Brown is to blame in any way it is still the fault of my generation. It is also the fault of my generation that Bliar went to war on a lie.

How come it isn't noticed sometimes how much diatribe some come out with?

Question BSB yourself. I would love to see the response you get. It is because of him that this bullshit has gone on all day. I always try to reply to everyone who quotes me. Only recently unblocked him. Looks like a big mistake.

I am planning on taking it at 55. Still have nearly 3 and half years to go. All that time of being over 800 miles away from my wife and 3 youngest kids. They went at the end of June.

Where have I ever said I want a Tory government? I want a Labour government. But I want someone I can have faith in. Blind faith isn't good enough. Look what happened with Bliar.

McDonnell plans to spend hundreds of billions in 5 years. That is a lot of borrowing and a lot of new tax increases. I am worried.
 
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djr8369

Well-Known Member
  • Nov 8, 2019
  • #45,900
Grendel said:
So if I said say Chairman Mao (who Slaughtered 75 million i believe) would I still require help?
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Why would you think that would make any difference?

Do you just want to get to whatever pathetic, ill thought out gotcha moment you are trying to achieve and save everyone some time?


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djr8369

Well-Known Member
  • Nov 8, 2019
  • #45,901
Alan Dugdales Moustache said:
...if he ever really left.
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Its amazing how 3 people have totally brought into this despite Mart and my posts being completely different in tone.


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Brighton Sky Blue

Well-Known Member
  • Nov 8, 2019
  • #45,902
Astute said:
I criticise him. Are you telling me he is above criticism when all the others are not?

If so just tell me to continue to criticise everyone but Corbyn.

Or just point out where Boris gets defended like Corbyn does.
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You get into a huff about people refusing to accept criticism of Labour and Corbyn-but I and others who you presumably accuse of this have done so many times. Just look at the lengths G goes to in order to avoid criticising Johnson for his obvious flaws.

It’s like you have the same response for whatever anyone writes and as though you don’t read it.
 
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djr8369

Well-Known Member
  • Nov 8, 2019
  • #45,903
Brighton Sky Blue said:
You get into a huff about people refusing to accept criticism of Labour and Corbyn-but I and others who you presumably accuse of this have done so many times. Just look at the lengths G goes to in order to avoid criticising Johnson for his obvious flaws.

It’s like you have the same response for whatever anyone writes and as though you don’t read it.
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Most of the so called defence of labour is people picking up G for constantly throwing “but labour” out against any criticism of the tories.

It’s like this idea that I am Mart. I don’t think I’ve ever defended the EU. I’ve mainly pointed out bullshit and hyperbole in the Brexit arguments.


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Brighton Sky Blue

Well-Known Member
  • Nov 8, 2019
  • #45,904
Astute said:
Have you ignored the posts by BSB? That is what has got me going.

He blamed my generation for the loss of final salary pensions. And if Brown is to blame in any way it is still the fault of my generation. It is also the fault of my generation that Bliar went to war on a lie.

How come it isn't noticed sometimes how much diatribe some come out with?

Question BSB yourself. I would love to see the response you get. It is because of him that this bullshit has gone on all day. I always try to reply to everyone who quotes me. Only recently unblocked him. Looks like a big mistake.

I am planning on taking it at 55. Still have nearly 3 and half years to go. All that time of being over 800 miles away from my wife and 3 youngest kids. They went at the end of June.

Where have I ever said I want a Tory government? I want a Labour government. But I want someone I can have faith in. Blind faith isn't good enough. Look what happened with Bliar.

McDonnell plans to spend hundreds of billions in 5 years. That is a lot of borrowing and a lot of new tax increases. I am worried.
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You miss the wider point. Collectively your generation messed up. You brought up Gordon Brown ages ago-I didn’t deny him being to blame but you went on for ages as though I had and then again here.

Guessing that this is related to the idea that nobody allows criticism of Labour so they wouldn’t allow Brown to be criticised for anything. Again it’s like you have the same reply lined up regardless of what it is you’re responding to.
 

Sick Boy

Super Moderator
  • Nov 8, 2019
  • #45,905
Brighton Sky Blue said:
You get into a huff about people refusing to accept criticism of Labour and Corbyn-but I and others who you presumably accuse of this have done so many times. Just look at the lengths G goes to in order to avoid criticising Johnson for his obvious flaws.

It’s like you have the same response for whatever anyone writes and as though you don’t read it.
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You’re seriously wasting your time.
 
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Brighton Sky Blue

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  • Nov 8, 2019
  • #45,906
Sick Boy said:
You’re seriously wasting your time.
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I think it’s just a case of really crossed wires with him.
 
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djr8369

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  • Nov 8, 2019
  • #45,907
Brighton Sky Blue said:
I think it’s just a case of really crossed wires with him.
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I made that mistake. Resorted to quoting his own posts back to him and I was still accused of twisting his words or just ignored.


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Brighton Sky Blue

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  • Nov 8, 2019
  • #45,908
djr8369 said:
I made that mistake. Resorted to quoting his own posts back to him and I was still accused of twisting his words or just ignored.


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One can dream
 

Astute

Well-Known Member
  • Nov 8, 2019
  • #45,909
Brighton Sky Blue said:
You get into a huff about people refusing to accept criticism of Labour and Corbyn-but I and others who you presumably accuse of this have done so many times. Just look at the lengths G goes to in order to avoid criticising Johnson for his obvious flaws.

It’s like you have the same response for whatever anyone writes and as though you don’t read it.
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That is one person who we all expect it from whatever the subject is. Sometimes right but frequently not. And it is mainly opinions which I say nothing about most of the time.

So when was the last criticism that you agreed with? Keeping quiet isn't agreeing with it.
 

Astute

Well-Known Member
  • Nov 8, 2019
  • #45,910
djr8369 said:
Most of the so called defence of labour is people picking up G for constantly throwing “but labour” out against any criticism of the tories.

It’s like this idea that I am Mart. I don’t think I’ve ever defended the EU. I’ve mainly pointed out bullshit and hyperbole in the Brexit arguments.


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Never defended the EU :shifty::smuggrin:
 

Astute

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  • Nov 8, 2019
  • #45,911
Brighton Sky Blue said:
You miss the wider point. Collectively your generation messed up. You brought up Gordon Brown ages ago-I didn’t deny him being to blame but you went on for ages as though I had and then again here.

Guessing that this is related to the idea that nobody allows criticism of Labour so they wouldn’t allow Brown to be criticised for anything. Again it’s like you have the same reply lined up regardless of what it is you’re responding to.
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I proved it yesterday that you tried to make out it wasn't the fault of Brown. Look at one post of tours I brought up. 'Even if Brown did cause the damage to pensions' was the best admission I could ever get from you. But you then ended up with making out it was the fault of my generation for what Bliar and Brown did.

If, as what my worry is, McDonnell gets in and spends hundreds of billions in the next 5 years and makes a mess of our countries finances meaning that the Tories get back in and go on the austerity push once more will it be your generation to blame or mine?
 

Alan Dugdales Moustache

Well-Known Member
  • Nov 8, 2019
  • #45,912
shmmeee said:
5% of people isn’t a majority. Even a thicky like you should be able to work that out

Also: someone who won the housing lottery by definition didn’t earn that wealth and so it should be taxed. Unless you don’t want a capitalist meritocracy.
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I can see you're name calling tactics "thicky" etc have gone up a fair bit just recently. If you want to play that game then you're up against someone who can up it tenfold if that's the way you want to play it. I hope you're not going to be one of those who likes to dish it out and can't take it. I might well be thick, but i'm not an arrogant bastard who calls everyoe who voted the other way.
 

Alan Dugdales Moustache

Well-Known Member
  • Nov 8, 2019
  • #45,913
shmmeee said:
I do think you’re overestimating exactly how many average people, especially under 40, have housing wealth these days. We have a generational inequality issue, as well as a top 10% v everyone else issue, as well as a housing issue. These concern me far more than Joe Bloggs only getting £130k as a gift instead of £140k TBH.
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Define what housing wealth is , seeing as you know everything.
 

Astute

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  • Nov 8, 2019
  • #45,914
Alan Dugdales Moustache said:
I can see you're name calling tactics "thicky" etc have gone up a fair bit just recently. If you want to play that game then you're up against someone who can up it tenfold if that's the way you want to play it. I hope you're not going to be one of those who likes to dish it out and can't take it. I might well be thick, but i'm not an arrogant bastard who calls everyoe who voted the other way. Still haven't come to terms with the ourcome of the referendum, have you ?
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All the name calling needs to stop. Then we can get down to that silly word 'debating'. Then maybe we could all learn something.
 

Alan Dugdales Moustache

Well-Known Member
  • Nov 8, 2019
  • #45,915
djr8369 said:
Its amazing how 3 people have totally brought into this despite Mart and my posts being completely different in tone.


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I haven't . Do you want to be him ? Who are the three ? Name and shame .
 

shmmeee

Well-Known Member
  • Nov 8, 2019
  • #45,916
Alan Dugdales Moustache said:
I can see you're name calling tactics "thicky" etc have gone up a fair bit just recently. If you want to play that game then you're up against someone who can up it tenfold if that's the way you want to play it. I hope you're not going to be one of those who likes to dish it out and can't take it. I might well be thick, but i'm not an arrogant bastard who calls everyoe who voted the other way.
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- winking face emoji - What does the winking face emoji mean?
 

Alan Dugdales Moustache

Well-Known Member
  • Nov 8, 2019
  • #45,917
shmmeee said:
- winking face emoji - What does the winking face emoji mean?
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Are you 12 years old ?
 

Sick Boy

Super Moderator
  • Nov 8, 2019
  • #45,918
Astute said:
All the name calling needs to stop. Then we can get down to that silly word 'debating'. Then maybe we could all learn something.
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Or just block people who challenge you and try to put their own opinions forward.
 

shmmeee

Well-Known Member
  • Nov 8, 2019
  • #45,919
Alan Dugdales Moustache said:
Are you 12 years old ?
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If I am, it doesn’t say much for you’re inability to form a coherent argument against me.
 
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Brighton Sky Blue

Well-Known Member
  • Nov 8, 2019
  • #45,920
Astute said:
That is one person who we all expect it from whatever the subject is. Sometimes right but frequently not. And it is mainly opinions which I say nothing about most of the time.

So when was the last criticism that you agreed with? Keeping quiet isn't agreeing with it.
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I could give you a long list of all the times I’ve criticised Labour, Corbyn or both. Just the other week I went after Diane Abbott.

I’ve also said about a dozen times that Corbyn is no longer fit for purpose as leader. But this seems to escape your attention along with all the other criticisms I’ve made of him and the party, mostly over Brexit but also the private schools idea.
 
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