Well done for putting some sense & sensibility into the equation.Astute seems genuine TBH.
And why won't Labour win? I hear Labour policies are supposed to be the better out of them. Labour has at last come out as remain. Most people are supposed to want to remain now if everything on here is to be believed.
Do people consider Corbyn a worse choice than Boris?
The one thing that gets me is those who point out what one party has done in the past but if the party that they want to win has done the same they ignore it or say it was a different leader then. Of course it was. That is the same for all parties.
I am totally undecided who I am going to vote for. Don't even know if I will bother.
When was your first post on this topic?
Wtf? After all that has been said & done in elections in various parts of the world...fuckwit Trump decides to wade into the Uk's!?
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I agree with a lot of this. But what people think of Corbyn is all down to the media? No. It is all down to the man himself. The media always has a go at Boris. It has had a go at him since he was mayor of London and maybe before. The problem is that the skeletons in the closet of Boris are nowhere near as bad as those in the closet of Corbyn. For most people there are too many doubts in their minds.There are two reasons I think Labour may struggle in this election. Firstly, the remaining fractures within the PLP that undermine a lot of the good policy work done, and secondly the media portrayal of Corbyn that has been embedded since he came to become leader. From my experience, many people are not politically engaged enough to study manifestos of parties due to both interest and time, and will look to the news, be that in the form of print media or broadcast media to give them an indication of what’s going on. The (not entirely incorrect) media narrative of Corbyn being a poor leader immediately turns people off the idea of him becoming PM, and the (in my view, incorrect) rhetoric that he would be a danger to the country further deepens this stance.
Surely, though, you must accept that Blair to Corbyn is much more than merely a change of leader - it’s a complete change of dynamic and party stance. You won’t find many defending Blair’s decision to privatise portions of the NHS through PFI schemes and thinking that things like that are traditional Labour stances is wrong. They even re-branded as ‘New Labour’ so as to demonstrate a divide from the public perception of the party throughout the 70s and 80s.
It is Mart.Simple G just get Nick to look up his IP and be done with it
I agree with a lot of this. But what people think of Corbyn is all down to the media? No. It is all down to the man himself. The media always has a go at Boris. It has had a go at him since he was mayor of London and maybe before. The problem is that the skeletons in the closet of Boris are nowhere near as bad as those in the closet of Corbyn. For most people there are too many doubts in their minds.
The reason I brought up what Labour did under Bliar is everything is supposed to be safe under Labour but nothing safe under the Tories. But we have a majority of the time with the Tories in power and we still have what we are supposed to lose. Yet Labour seem to make a mess of things. Yet I still vote Labour.
Name the last decent Labour government.
You’re better off not bothering.While you keep up this nonsense I’ll keep on trying to have a grown up conversation while calling out your bull. In the meantime you’ll look more and more ridiculous.
Still wish you all the best with the family even though you’re nothing but rude and condescending towards me.
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Personally I would have two contradictory questions regarding Mart...
1. Has he finally seen the light & chilled out? STILL on holiday? Blown that gasket & is seeing out his days licking windows in an institution?
2. Has he set up a new account, or has two accounts & is now using a different one?
One thing is almost a given - he was of such character that I think he would not be able to restrain himself from comment. So either he is here under another name, or sadly unable to contribute further.
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I agree with a lot of this. But what people think of Corbyn is all down to the media? No. It is all down to the man himself. The media always has a go at Boris. It has had a go at him since he was mayor of London and maybe before. The problem is that the skeletons in the closet of Boris are nowhere near as bad as those in the closet of Corbyn. For most people there are too many doubts in their minds.
The reason I brought up what Labour did under Bliar is everything is supposed to be safe under Labour but nothing safe under the Tories. But we have a majority of the time with the Tories in power and we still have what we are supposed to lose. Yet Labour seem to make a mess of things. Yet I still vote Labour.
Name the last decent Labour government.
I’ve no doubt that the Tories’ plan is to ensure costs of the NHS increase so that a narrative of it being “too expensive to continue” can be formed.
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Twisting againYou’re better off not bothering.
He’s rude and tries to bully people. He’s come out as full on leave on here before yet claims to be neutral.
Whatever way it goes he’ll claim to have backed that outcome in 5 years time.
He was as guilty as the rest of you on the "ganging up"...& was provocative in his arguments imoI am not sure but I think he attended a funeral over in the UK, so maybe cannot be bothered with the crap on here, especially the ganging up that went on.
He was as guilty as the rest of you on the "ganging up"...& was provocative in his arguments imo
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Agree entirely. In many cases you can't rely on one element to shape the future. So many other variables may come into play to change the course of the Brexit 10 year forecast.No, because they'd need your to know your metabolic rate. They'd also need to know of any health problems/issues you have or will have in the next decade. They'd need to know how much exercise you're going to do for the next 10 years. They'd have to know that their menu wouldn't be altered in that time and change the calorific/fat/carb/sugar levels.
However I reckon 10 years of eating McDonalds every meal would actually lead to massive weight loss because you'd most probably be dead.
The one thing that always comes to my mind is how he went to IRA funerals and always gave sympathy to those in the IRA who died but refused to show sympathy to those who were totally innocent including women and children.Difference is the centre left have been mental about Corbyn as well as the right wing. Boris literally has his own cheerleader paper in the Telegraph and gets automatic support from the biggest papers because he’s a Tory and pro Brexit.
There’s been so many outright lies printed about Corbyn: all the Remembrance Day stuff I’m still seeing posted on my FB wall about him being rude or dancing or whatever when in reality he was the only one engaging with veterans and not using it as a PR opportunity.
His policies are constantly misrepresented on all sides. And the most ridiculous reasons given like the colour of his tie or whatever. Saying he hates Britain.
The media have been bigging up Boris as a cheeky chappie great bloke for as long as I can remember.
Labour won’t win because the Remain vote is more picky than the Leave vote and because of the constant onslaught from the tabloids and the BBC.
If people looked at policy and voted accordingly i genuinely believe it’d be a Labour landslide. But the last four years have been spent telling people who aren’t millionaires to vote against their interests and they’ll do as they’re told. Look at some of the crap posted in the GE thread. Not even coherent thoughts just words they’ve been fed like “communist” “momentum” “IRA” and a lol.
The one thing that always comes to my mind is how he went to IRA funerals and always gave sympathy to those in the IRA who died but refused to show sympathy to those who were totally innocent including women and children.
He has always refused to meet up with victims. It was only last year that he said there was bo contact until the day before his visit to NI but this was proven to be false. How about standing at a memorial to other terrorists and helping to lay a wreath to them but saying he wasn't a part of it? How about laying something on the memorial to the victims that were nearby?
Agree entirely. In many cases you can't rely on one element to shape the future. So many other variables may come into play to change the course of the Brexit 10 year forecast.
There’s a saying in data science: all models are wrong. Some models are useful.
We never know anything 100% but we make best guesses based on probabilities. It’s like saying Doyle once scored from 50 yards so he should always shoot from there. You and I know that on average he’ll miss far more than he hits.
Do you have a better model? If not, and you can’t find specific issues with the ones used, then you’re just relying on magical thinking.
I’m shocked that there’s been no criticism whatsoever of Trump interfering with the election.
Oh yeah, and also Farage appearing on stage with an IRA sympathiser, which seems to get ignored by the usual hypocrites.
I’m shocked that there’s been no criticism whatsoever of Trump interfering with the election.
Oh yeah, and also Farage appearing on stage with an IRA sympathiser, which seems to get ignored by the usual hypocrites.
it’s received a barrage of negative press
Where?
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We now have referendum by proxy when we could've held a referendum outright in less time than this has taken.
it would take a minimum of 22 weeks if you get an agreement in Parliament.
The first Brexit day was March 29th-the election will be nearly 9 months after then.
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