Not strange at all. The EU has been giving subsidies to support farming since it began. If & when we leave from what I have seen, when I have nothing better to do, you (& others) appear to be suggesting &/or being accused of suggesting that the UK Govt should leave our farming industry to stand or fall according to market forces.What an odd world you live in. Nothing better to do?
And you think this would be easy?Obviously not but businesses could be offered tax relief or some other compensation that sees the employee paid more for their work.
That is where it started. Benefits to top up cheap labour. That seemed to run into subsidies for industry.Which actually isn’t the point.
Employ people without a family?If employers can’t pay their workers enough to live there has been a systemic failure.
So you want to give subsidies to who the EU give subsidies to. You want to supply subsidised housing. But you want to stop people from working who don't have skills although they would earn more in the UK than most places in the EU.I don't want the state picking up the tab for low wages-why do you?
If you agree with me why do you try to make out that you disagree with me?
As you know this was in reply to a post you made that was exactly what I have been saying.Where did I say that exactly?
The trouble is - every country gives subsidies for one industry or another. So it is hypocritical of one to criticise another. The real issues are around the intent. One country subsidises to keep a vital industry afloat in it's local market...another does it to dominate the international market - then we get problems & all industries become embroiled in tit-for-tat shit.
Bit like leave-remain really.
As you know this was in reply to a post you made that was exactly what I have been saying.
How about a question for yourself. Why haven't you corrected anyone who doesn't agree with what you have said here?
We all know the answer. Just shows who wants a debate and those who want to try and force an opinion forward.
You know exactly what I said as have already explained it all once. And what I said was clear enough for most people.
There has been calls for the minimum wage to go up to a tenner an hour. What I said......and others agree I said......is raising it too quickly would increase inflation. Prices would go up. This would increase inflation. Before you know it the pay rise would be lost to inflation.
Do you have a mortgage? It has been kept artificially low for years. If i flation gets going like when Labour were in power before....not the Bliar years as he was Tory in disguise.....your mortgage repayments could easily double.
If the low paid were to get a massive payrise by the % many others would also want one. Then if it was given to all inflation would be out of control. Millions would lose their homes.
At least they could try and blame it on Brexit......
You didn't say what?So I didn’t say it then. Thanks for the confirmation.
So what don't I understand about economics and inflation?Firstly, no. I told you what I understood. You can’t mind read. Obviously I did get the wrong end and that’s that
Secondly, clearly you’re not up to an economic discussion if you think that about Labour and inflation. It’s so childish and ridiculous as to not even be worth discussing. It’s like saying “oh the democrats are racist cos slavery”. Silly, I’ll informed tribal drivel.
So what don't I understand about economics and inflation?
What was the cause of hyper inflation in the seventies?
So McDonnell is calling for huge % pay rises for millions. Yet some of you would prefer to risk these people losing their jobs even though the minimum wage in the UK is much better than the vast majority of the countries in the EU.
You just want to knock the UK constantly. Fair play to you. But when you have an understanding of inflationary causes and are willing to be honest we can have a debate on the matter.
Shall we start on your first point before we move onto your next one?What you clearly don’t understand firstly is the difference between neoliberal economics and Keynesian economics because you think Blair was a Tory.
Secondly you drop in shit like “you just want to knock the UK”, which marks you out as someone not mature enough to have a sensible economic discussion.
Thirdly, you think it was wages that caused inflation in the 70s and not oil prices. Wages aren’t a huge part of product cost in most industries. In fast food for example a study was done and a pay rise of $5/her resulted in a price rise of about $0.06 on a Big Mac. You also think the industrial relations of the 70s are at all applicable to the modern atomised economy, which is frankly hilarious. The requests being made by unions in the 70s are nothing like a NMW raise.
Finally, you don’t seem to be able to understand that the people in the Labour Party and the state of left wing economic thinking in the 70s is not the same as it is today, and that most economists would back the sort of social democratic policies Labour are currently proposing that look nothing like that was proposed in the 70s.
Seriously mate. I like you, but you come across as a standard low information Mail reader who isn’t up to sensible discussion because you’re fixated on the 70s and the stories you’ve told yourself about why they happened. Lift your head up and look around the world a little, it’s changed.
It could easily hit 10,0001200 pages wow!!!
Probably by the time our mps get their arse in gear!!It could easily hit 10,000
Even afterwards it will go on and on, the thread will probably outlive all of us.Probably by the time our mps get their arse in gear!!
Well the OP's given up, it seems!Even afterwards it will go on and on, the thread will probably outlive all of us.
I reckon Jimmyhillsfanclub has a new user name.Well the OP's given up, it seems!
Obviously the UK Govt had messed things up & were doomed to fail because...
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Brexit: EU says no to May on renegotiating deal
14 December 2018
The EU didn't want or need to renegotiate & there were loads on here full of blather & bluster about the looming disaster.
But here we are...getting closer to the crunch point. Stances are softening, EU leaders say one thing & are behind the scenes probably ticked off for breaking rank...& then one of the main men himself...
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SEPTEMBER 19, 2019, 6:24 PM
EU's Juncker says on Brexit: "I think we can have a deal"
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And yet so many have ridiculed & slated the UK Govt for making no attempt to negotiate. And of course for those same people - nothing is happening unless it says so in the "daily blah"!
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Do you want it this time because you didn't last time.Chances are it’s going to similar to the original agreement and will be made possible due to the DUP backing down.
It’ll be interesting to see if it gets through parliament
Do you want it this time because you didn't last time.
You've got to laugh, this is just mental.
It is still down to posturing on both sides. And like I have always said it will go down to the wire. The EU doesn't have to budge an inch until the end. But BJ has made it so nobody knows where the end is. Is it the end of this month or the end of next month?Obviously the UK Govt had messed things up & were doomed to fail because...
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Brexit: EU says no to May on renegotiating deal
14 December 2018
The EU didn't want or need to renegotiate & there were loads on here full of blather & bluster about the looming disaster.
But here we are...getting closer to the crunch point. Stances are softening, EU leaders say one thing & are behind the scenes probably ticked off for breaking rank...& then one of the main men himself...
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SEPTEMBER 19, 2019, 6:24 PM
EU's Juncker says on Brexit: "I think we can have a deal"
Reuters Staff
And yet so many have ridiculed & slated the UK Govt for making no attempt to negotiate. And of course for those same people - nothing is happening unless it says so in the "daily blah"!
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I reckon it's MPs forcing him to take no deal off the table which has pushed towards a deal. The only way he can save face is if we actually do leave on the 31st, and now the only way that can happen is with a deal.As I’ve stated numerous times own my personal preference would have been the EEA option as a compromise between the two sides.
Whether there is a deal or not deal doesn’t actually impact me personally. This will very much be the May’s deal repackaged and Johnson hoping the threat of no deal gets it through, which I’m not sure would happen.
I reckon it's MPs forcing him to take no deal off the table which has pushed towards a deal. The only way he can save face is if we actually do leave on the 31st, and now the only way that can happen is with a deal.
Well done MPs, pulling us back from the brink of the abyss, caused by a reckless, dishonest prime minister.
And will he vote for a similar deal to the one he's voted against in the past? Will Johnson have to vote against himself?If he does come back with a rehashed May deal I wonder if the press will class it as treasonous then only to label anyone who doesn’t vote for it treasonous as last time.
And will he vote for a similar deal to the one he's voted against in the past? Will Johnson have to vote against himself?
I reckon it's MPs forcing him to take no deal off the table which has pushed towards a deal. The only way he can save face is if we actually do leave on the 31st, and now the only way that can happen is with a deal.
Well done MPs, pulling us back from the brink of the abyss, caused by a reckless, dishonest prime minister.
In your opinion, what is his ace?He was always going to bring a deal back - it’s a very predictable action - you could say well done Johnson for actually properly trying to play all his cards rather than put the ace in bin before talks started
In your opinion, what is his ace?
Yes, I thought he would end up repackaging it, it will be interesting if he sticks ot his word and expels those who vote against it from the party.The leave card with no deal as an option. I’m sure you said at the start he’d repackage the old deal
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